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First, I figured I'll just make a thread about this, since it is a seperate topic and doesn't really belong in any sort currently existing thread in the Septagon forum.

Alright, I'm not sure how this thread will be recieved.. This is just an idea I've been having, possibly to help improve the forums a bit, particularly the "New Mombassa" forum.

I believe the promotion of cheating, such as BxR or Superjumping, is all-to rampant on these forums. (As I said, most noticable in the New Mombassa forum)

Any chance a new global rule could be put in place, such as "Promoting cheating is banned."? I think it'd help take out much of the elitism with the "BXR" crowd that is all-to present, whether some members admit it or not..

Any thoughts on this?

  • 10.02.2006 8:32 PM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

A general refresher to the rules would definetly be nice on some of the newer, more .."Tiresome" subjects.

Stuff like the BxR, SuperJumps, and in a more general sense the "101 ways to kill an elite!!11 lol!"

It definetly would be nice to cut down on some of the junk hitting the forums these days...but hey, one man's garbage....well you get the drift.

  • 10.02.2006 8:37 PM PDT
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Global as in the main forums? That sounds like a fine idea. Global as in this site? No, because there are groups dedicated to these cheats, and they should be able to discuss them as much as they want in private.

I would assume that you mean the main forums with the New Mombassa reference, so good idea.

  • 10.02.2006 8:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: evilcam
Global as in the main forums? That sounds like a fine idea. Global as in this site? No, because there are groups dedicated to these cheats, and they should be able to discuss them as much as they want in private.

I would assume that you mean the main forums with the New Mombassa reference, so good idea.


Sorry, I wasn't clear.

I meant "Global", as in, ecompassing ALL forums.. Groups? They can, and have always done, whatever they want.

[Edited on 10/2/2006]

  • 10.02.2006 8:38 PM PDT
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I would discourage it as cencorship is never the best option. BXR exists, superjumps exist, and if all this is continued to be consored the forim population will simply migrate to another halo based website and continue to discuss it outside of bungies control. Bungie should patch it (BXR not super jumps, I understand superjumps are probably fundamental glitches in the geometry) or let it go, don't try to sweep it under the rug.
Better; why don't you be the voice of reason and explain tto superjumpers/BXRers that its not acceptable or sportsmanlike in matchmaking.

  • 10.03.2006 12:49 AM PDT

Thinking of something witty to write here since 2004...

Good idea. They should also ban the tiresome 'Spartans verses Elites' discussion. That's going the same way the 'Anti MLG/ Pro MLG' went.

But I guess you're always going to get some people complaining and new people who don't read the sticky's.

  • 10.03.2006 1:34 AM PDT

Seeing as you are allowed to do them outside matchmaking, and customs and LAN are a big part of this game, I'd say that you shouldn't ban discussion of such glitches.

  • 10.03.2006 5:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Seeing as you are allowed to do them outside matchmaking, and customs and LAN are a big part of this game, I'd say that you shouldn't ban discussion of such glitches.


Actually, you're not allowed to do them when playing anywhere on Xbox Live. LAN, etc. is fine, but that's not what people always talk about. They are almost 100% of the time, talking about doing them on Xbox Live, usually in Matchmaking.

  • 10.03.2006 9:56 AM PDT

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: RhythmKiller
Seeing as you are allowed to do them outside matchmaking, and customs and LAN are a big part of this game, I'd say that you shouldn't ban discussion of such glitches.


Actually, you're not allowed to do them when playing anywhere on Xbox Live. LAN, etc. is fine, but that's not what people always talk about. They are almost 100% of the time, talking about doing them on Xbox Live, usually in Matchmaking.

No Zag, I'm sure you can do them in customs.

Even if you couldn't, they're a valid talking point for LAN play - and the assumption, no matter how true, that most people do it in MM isn't good enough to make a rule about it.

  • 10.03.2006 10:44 AM PDT

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Seeing as this is XBOX LIVE TERMS OF USE, I'd figure that using them, even in customs on XBOX LIVE, is cheating. However, if your friends allow you to use them in customs, then there really isn't much they can do about that, can they?

Still, as I've said; Most people don't say "just in customs". They always are promoting their use in matchmaking,

[Edited on 10/3/2006]

  • 10.03.2006 10:47 AM PDT

It's hardly an "unfair advantage" when everyone's allowed to do it now is it?

Anyway like I say, you may believe they are promoting it in MM but at any time they could say they were talking about customs, or LAN, or even campaign, so covering their arse.

  • 10.03.2006 11:34 AM PDT

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Achronos has said that it is cheating. Stop debating it. You're proving my point, just now, by defending it. ;)

  • 10.03.2006 11:43 AM PDT

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Achronos has said that it is cheating. Stop debating it. You're proving my point, just now, by defending it. ;)

IN MATCHMAKING.

[Edited on 10/3/2006]

  • 10.03.2006 11:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Posted by: SS_Zag1
Achronos has said that it is cheating. Stop debating it. You're proving my point, just now, by defending it. ;)

IN MATCHMAKING.


Correct. Glitches are allowed in Customs if everyone agrees it's fair game.

That aside, I too would like an end to all "Glitch Debates." It's such a Dead Horse topic.

  • 10.03.2006 12:00 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
That aside, I too would like an end to all "Glitch Debates." It's such a Dead Horse topic.

I agree it is a dead horse, and I believe an end to the debate was what the topic creator sought.

  • 10.03.2006 12:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Posted by: SS_Zag1
Achronos has said that it is cheating. Stop debating it. You're proving my point, just now, by defending it. ;)

IN MATCHMAKING.


Like Iceman has said, if you all do it in customs, and believe it is fair game, then fine. But that still doesn't really say some random guy can't come in, see you all doing it, and leave feedback, which would be appropriate.

Besides the point, it's not an issue of whether or not it's allowed in customs. Like I've said, almost every single person who talks about using it, or encourages it's use, especially in Matchmaking, believing it is "fair game", despite being told it's not countless times. This is the problem.

Not only is it a dead horse topic, it's the promotion of cheating, which ruins my Xbox Live experience that I pay for, with my money.

[Edited on 10/3/2006]

  • 10.03.2006 12:04 PM PDT

And if I want to BXR my way round my customs or LANs and then discuss it with other people in the New Mombasa forum, I'll damn well do it - because neither the ToU nor Bungie has said I can't, so if I deem it a good use of MY subscription money and the money I paid for the game then that's what I will do.

Do I?

Not really.

But I'll defend my right to do so.

  • 10.03.2006 12:13 PM PDT

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To further my point, I've gathered some quotes from different users that have posted very recently.

Posted by: link1264
I will admit that there's nothing more satisfying that BXRing the -blam!- out of a guy with a plasma pistol out, though


Posted by: Herrow Raptor
Yes it's cheating. Will I continue to use it? Yes. Doesn't mean I'm a bad person or I "can't get a kill any other way." Far from it. Those who choose to use glitches tend to just be better, PERIOD. Not because they glitch, because they are just flat out better.


Posted by: sockpuppet74
I don't consider any weapon glitch cheating see as how anyone can do them. There is nothing physically stopping someone from BXRing. I just see it as another aspect of the game.Most of the time people who say it is cheating say its cheating because they haven't taken the time to learn how to do it properly and as a result don't understand how useful weapon glitches can be.

I can't get banned for BXRing so I will continue to use it.


Actually, people with PAL TV types can't do the glitches. Something does physically stop people.

Posted by: mikethewarrior
dude without super bouncing, halo jut wouldnt be halo.



In closing:
Posted by: Shishka
I wonder why this is so hard to figure out?

It's this simple: Double shot, BXR, BXB, any of those kinds of maneuvers are button combinations that take advantage of animation glitches. Don't try to argue with me on the subject: These issues are glitches.

The exploitation of glitches is cheating. Period. End of story. As some of the more annoying members of our community might say, "FACT." Any attempt to rationalize their use is self-righteous. If we find you using these glitches online, we will remove you from matchmaking, just as we would if we caught you using any other kind of cheat. Your opinion doesn't matter in the subject. The MLG's opinion doesn't matter in the subject.

Neither you nor the MLG manage Matchmaking and thus have zero say in how we enforce the rules. Don't like it?

Feel free to cry all you like about it, but the rules aren't changing.

This thread is locked, and this discussion is done. Don't think you're cheating? Get over yourself.


[Edited on 10/3/2006]

  • 10.03.2006 12:14 PM PDT

Might I draw your attention to Shishka's particular reference to matchmaking, and the lack of particular reference to matchmaking in the description of the new mombasa forum.

And being in the UK I'm here to tell you that you can button glitch just fine on PAL setups, unlike superbouncing which does not work on PAL-50.

[Edited on 10/3/2006]

  • 10.03.2006 12:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Might I draw your attention to Shishka's particular reference to matchmaking, and the lack of particular reference to matchmaking in the description of the new mombasa forum.


You keep avoiding the subject by bringing up Customs, etc.

This part of the New Mombassa forum, that promotes cheating, promote it in every aspect of Halo 2. They use it in matchmaking, just as much as Customs. I see it all the time when playing, and I'm sick of it. I believe that this attitude is what promotes it's use, ruining my online experience. I play Halo 2 for fun, and when someone is using BXR, it's just not nearly as fun.

Posted by: RhythmKiller
unlike superbouncing which does not work on PAL-50.


Point proven.

[Edited on 10/3/2006]

  • 10.03.2006 12:20 PM PDT

No, you keep avoiding the subject by continuous assumption that it is impossible to discuss a glitch without reference to using it in matchmaking.

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: RhythmKiller
unlike superbouncing which does not work on PAL-50.


Point proven.

All that proves is that superbouncing falls under the definition of an unfair advantage in matchmaking, an environment where anyone in the world can be matched up together. In a LAN with NTSC players, it doesn't, and why should they be banned from discussing it in a dedicated forum?

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  • 10.03.2006 12:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
No, you keep avoiding the subject by continuous assumption that it is impossible to discuss a glitch without reference to using it in matchmaking.


Promoting glitches and discussing them go hand in hand. If someone asks how to do them, or starts talking about what someone things of them, someone will tell someone how to do it. This will result in that person trying to do it, possibly going online, and have almost a 100% chance of then going into matchmaking and ruining the game for other players.

It's the same as discussion of modding. It causes more cheating.

[Edited on 10/3/2006]

  • 10.03.2006 12:26 PM PDT

I keep telling you zag, almost isn't good enough.

Not nearly good enough for me to endorse the removal of the right to talk about a game glitch.

  • 10.03.2006 12:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
I keep telling you zag, almost isn't good enough.

Not nearly good enough for me to endorse the removal of the right to talk about a game glitch.


Let's take an example:
That's like saying 5% of a school grade decided to take a language course, and the other 95% didn't, so the school still pays a teacher to teach it to so few children. This is not the case. If there aren't enough who want to take it, then the school won't offer it.

Almost. We're talking, at least 85% of the discussion about glitches ends up in a battle between whether it's cheating or not, or a bunch of "MLG-Wannabes" (or I guess we can call them "faux pros") talking about how good they are with it, and that everyone who can't do it sucks at the game.

The 85% is bad discussion. The leftover 15% is outweighed by the bad.

[Edited on 10/3/2006]

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