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However, 'iamthey', you're somewhat running straight over the fact (with kleats), that if a mod just "overlooks" a thread, it will still be there as a beacon to more people to say "That's OK, so I'll go do it too!" And before we know it, shambles!

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However, 'iamthey', you're somewhat running straight over the fact (with kleats), that if a mod just "overlooks" a thread, it will still be there as a beacon to more people to say "That's OK, so I'll go do it too!" And before we know it, shambles!


A valid point, you are suggesting that one mod topic will create an explosion of moderator related topics that follows the pattern of incremental proportion. It will start slowly with a few tolerated posts, but then it will explode into an uncontrollable frenzy of ninja topics. Very well, then why not just delete the post, or move it to the flood, then pm the person with a response. I am not suggesting total disregard of all ninja topics or other topics that discuss people, I am simply suggesting that the moderators be more easygoing (and allow some, and delete bad ones.), rather than throw the book at a group and end up hitting people with good questions.

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  • 10.05.2006 2:24 PM PDT

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However, 'iamthey', you're somewhat running straight over the fact (with kleats), that if a mod just "overlooks" a thread, it will still be there as a beacon to more people to say "That's OK, so I'll go do it too!" And before we know it, shambles!


A valid point, you are suggesting that one mod topic will create an explosion of moderator related topics that follows the pattern of incremental proportion. It will start slowly with a few tolerated posts, but then it will explode into an uncontrollable frenzy of ninja topics. Very well, then why not just delete the post, or move it to the flood, then pm the person with a response. I am not suggesting total disregard of all ninja topics or other topics that discuss people, I am simply suggesting that the moderators be more easygoing (and allow some, and delete bad ones.), rather than throw the book at a group and end up hitting people with good questions.

-Iamthey


But that would cause more work for the ninjas. It would mean going into every thread, reading every post, and sending the ones that are inappropriate to The Flood. That's one of the reasons they just lock the thread and post FAQs about the mods, so people have a general idea of who they are and what they do.

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Hippy.


I hope you were not directing that at me, believe me I am the farthest person from a hippy you will ever know.

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I am not suggesting total disregard of all ninja topics or other topics that discuss people, I am simply suggesting that the moderators be more easygoing (and allow some, and delete bad ones.), rather than throw the book at a group and end up hitting people with good questions.

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I want to ask again: what is a "good" question?

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However, 'iamthey', you're somewhat running straight over the fact (with kleats), that if a mod just "overlooks" a thread, it will still be there as a beacon to more people to say "That's OK, so I'll go do it too!" And before we know it, shambles!


A valid point, you are suggesting that one mod topic will create an explosion of moderator related topics that follows the pattern of incremental proportion. It will start slowly with a few tolerated posts, but then it will explode into an uncontrollable frenzy of ninja topics. Very well, then why not just delete the post, or move it to the flood, then pm the person with a response. I am not suggesting total disregard of all ninja topics or other topics that discuss people, I am simply suggesting that the moderators be more easygoing (and allow some, and delete bad ones.), rather than throw the book at a group and end up hitting people with good questions.

-Iamthey


But that would cause more work for the ninjas. It would mean going into every thread, reading every post, and sending the ones that are inappropriate to The Flood. That's one of the reasons they just lock the thread and post FAQs about the mods, so people have a general idea of who they are and what they do.


Hah, that's about what I was going to say.. ;) It's easier to just lock it. Especially with the ammount of them popping up.

Secondly, Iamthey, don't take anything Impurity says literally, or personally. He's an idiot, but he's our idiot, nonetheless. ;)

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Ok, I will remember that, lol.

Anyway a good question in my book would have to be one that...

1. asked a relevant question that many people might ask.

2. It provides good feedback. There is no negative discussion.

3. its relevant to the forum.

4. Its being answered.

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Okay, so of the four that were locked, which I shall list:

How many PMs per day do the mods get?
Should the mods post more freely?
Can the mods get blacklisted?
Have any mods been blacklisted?

which of those are "good," by your definitions?

And if a question asked as the point of a thread is answered, what use is the thread? Why should it remain? The only question not answered was the PM question, and even then not all of the mods would have answered, so it would have never been answered anyway.

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Can the mods get blacklisted?
Have any mods been blacklisted?


Those should have been combined, but they fall under the definition. Also This thread was not created to discuss these specific posts. I am talking about the interpretation of the rule "Do not post about individuals" in general.

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But my two questions still remain: were any of them "good," and if a thread that is asking a question is answered, why should it remain open?

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But my two questions still remain: were any of them "good," and if a thread that is asking a question is answered, why should it remain open?


If the question has been answered, there's no reason for it to stay open anymore.

It's fair game if a moderator answers the question, then locks the thread. Because its purpose has been served. I'm in agreement with Mabian on this one.

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I sometimes think Achronos and and the Mods. make these rules just to give themselves purpose. Some rules are completely useless yet you see them being enforced all the time. These are the kind of rules I like to call "speed traps".

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I sometimes think Achronos and and the Mods. make these rules just to give themselves purpose. Some rules are completely useless yet you see them being enforced all the time. These are the kind of rules I like to call "speed traps".
Example?

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In regrads to dmbfan: the rule that the thread starter mentioned.

PS: Forgive my briefness today, I just got my tonsels out and I dont feel like saying much.

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That was actually a rule created by members and adopted by the moderators...

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Posted by: Mabian
But my two questions still remain: were any of them "good," and if a thread that is asking a question is answered, why should it remain open?


If the question has been answered, there's no reason for it to stay open anymore.

It's fair game if a moderator answers the question, then locks the thread. Because its purpose has been served. I'm in agreement with Mabian on this one.


Same here. There's no need to keep bumping an already answered question to the top of the list, and pushing the more important threads to the bottom.

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I am sorry, but it seems I have to keep saying this. This post is not about moderators, its not about the four posts those were just examples. The point of this thread is looking at how to interpret the rule regarding no people topics.

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Here's the situation, as you've said before: You said the rules should not be enforced as they are stated, but that the moderators should try to be "better judges," and decide to let some threads remain unlocked. To be specific, or at least for a specific part of this idea, you did not want all of the threads concerning moderators to be locked. As examples you cited those four threads, unless, of course, you had been talking about four other moderator-based threads that had been locked not long before you made the thread.

But if the examples you cite should have been locked, how are the mods using bad judgement?

If a person makes a thread about moderators, such as how many PMs they get, or if a mod has ever been blacklisted, either the members answer, or a moderator locks the thread and tells the thread creator to send a PM to a moderator if they have a question about moderators. If the creator truly wants to know the answer, wouldn't they simply send a PM to the moderator that locked the thread, and get the question answered? Why would discussion need to go on if either the question is answered, or the thread creator didn't actually want to know the answer? Where is the bad judgement if the question is answered? Or, if the thread was nothing more than an attempt to get a moderator reply, where is the bad judgement if it is locked?

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My opinion:

Moderator questions are usually short lived before they turn into people making random jokes about moderators/moderators making random jokes about each other. They usually only get 5 or 6 answers from the people that they actually mean anything to, and then it's useless.

So after the question has been answered, what's the point in keeping it open? There is no point, it just devolves into spam. Clever spam, but spam.

And they're about an individual group of people. While I'm sure a few of the mods like the attention, it's not needed. Moderator threads are pointless after the first few replies.

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