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It’s looking more and more as though those posts in The Maw were right when they said that an experienced mouse-and-keyboard gamer will give a controller gamer a run for his money.

Oh yeah

  • 10.06.2006 11:04 AM PDT
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  • 10.06.2006 11:12 AM PDT
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emm, keyboard and mouse would win...

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Posted by: Iggwilv
Oh yeah

Indeed, Iggwilv. I couldn't help but put a smile on my face when I read that. When we say "Keyboard and mouse FTW!!", we're telling the truth. Many of my ignorant friends who play on consoles all the time don't realize or don't accept the fact that the keyboard and mouse is superior to the gamepad.

  • 10.06.2006 11:47 AM PDT
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emm, keyboard and mouse would win...

every time...

  • 10.06.2006 11:56 AM PDT

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The only reason I never got any kind of console game box is the controller– twiddly little things! Why make a machine specifically for gaming and then hobble it with that horrendous gizmo? That's like breeding super-soldiers with hands too small to hold a gun.

  • 10.06.2006 1:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: SimonJester753
That's like breeding super-soldiers with hands too small to hold a gun.

QFT!

  • 10.06.2006 1:38 PM PDT
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just as a little warning, there are ignorant people posting replies in the news duscussion. I already had to wack 2 people in there...

  • 10.06.2006 2:30 PM PDT

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Add me to your friends list if you haven't already. It's a lot more fun to play with people from The Maw and people I know than random noobs.

Indeed Iggwilv, that made my day. In fact before I saw this thread I was thinking of quoting that and posting it.

  • 10.06.2006 10:32 PM PDT
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Yup. Also, it was mighty fun owning you yesterday in a game of Boxing on Lockout, NubBandit. Yah, Armageddon was there too! "Double kill!" It was really fun pwning these noobs.

  • 10.07.2006 3:32 AM PDT

Posted by: SimonJester753
The only reason I never got any kind of console game box is the controller– twiddly little things! Why make a machine specifically for gaming and then hobble it with that horrendous gizmo?

Because the mouse is only good for FPS and RTS and keyboards suck? Yeah, that could be it.

  • 10.07.2006 7:29 AM PDT

Well if you wanted to you could try to deny that the mouse is only better for FPS and RTS games, and claim it is also better for third-person action, sports, racing, or fighting games. I see you didn't though.

  • 10.07.2006 8:38 AM PDT
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Oh yeah, Mouse and Keyboard FTW.

  • 10.07.2006 8:52 AM PDT
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yeah keyboard is better only for FPS and RTS games, although I would have to say that all the best games are FPS and RTS.

Also FPS and especially RTS are FAR BETTER with M&K, however other games are only slightly better with the controller.

  • 10.07.2006 9:07 AM PDT
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Apart from broadcast chat, you can chat with your party in text or send a private whispers to a specific player. We even auto-complete their names for you in the UI.

I thought this was a very interesting tid-bit. You can whisper a certain person. Also the game can auto-complete the name for you!

  • 10.07.2006 12:23 PM PDT
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Heres most of the article.

We’ve made several changes in the game’s control scheme this month in response to player feedback received on the show floor at Leipzig. The 360 controller received tweaks to the deadzone of its two analog sticks, but we overhauled the mouse and keyboard controls. We’d been told by fans that the mouse felt sluggish when compared with the controls of other popular PC games, so we did some side-by-side comparisons and realized we weren’t properly accounting for mouse acceleration. That’s been fixed, and the default sensitivity settings now match the out-of-box settings for Halo 1 PC. Our keyboard layout pre-sets are being evaluated too, although many players will still customize their keys.
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Seems they realized the problem with the mouse slowness, and have corrected that :D



We also introduced an entirely new feature to Halo 2 Vista this month. Players can send text chat to each other from the pre-game lobby or even during the game. H2V supports in-game voice, of course, but we figured text chat is an honored tradition on the PC and belonged in our game. Apart from broadcast chat, you can chat with your party in text or send a private whispers to a specific player. We even auto-complete their names for you in the UI.
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Sweet :D



Halo 2 Vista shows really well now, thanks to some visual enhancements. The game runs at 60fps in most cases, and the world is lit dynamically as you can see for yourself in the screenies. The art for the Master Chief, the Arbiter, and the multiplayer “skybox” scenery have gone through a touch-up to make them shine at our preferred resolution of 1920x1200. Honestly, the game looks so hot these days that I want to call it Halo 2.5.
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Improvement in lighting and graphics :D



Let’s see. Oh yes, we’ve made good progress in our multiplayer mode this month. As you know, the game supports dedicated server play and user-created maps. This month, the devs showed us an end-to-end demo for us of those features, with a custom map running on a dedicated server PC, administered remotely from a laptop. That might not sound like much to you jaded PC gamers, but it was cool to see these features up and running for Halo 2. The dedicated server runs as a Windows service, so basic things like starting and stopping the binary are available through the Windows GUI. Real control of the game environment is exposed through the command line. The server offers a simple interface that pretty much anyone could learn in a few minutes, with support for starting, stopping, and delaying games. Users who want to customize their matches further can specify a Halo 2 playlist file chock full of details like maps, game types, weapons, vehicles, victory conditions, and so on.
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Dedicated servers and other nice things about online :D



Our test lead uses the mouse and keyboard exclusively in our afternoon games. I still use the 360 controller, and I admit there’ve been a couple times when his ability to pivot and precision-target my noggin cost me a match. He’s getting better, too. I feel like a T. Rex who used to laugh at the rodent creatures, but now gets creeped out by their beady little eyes. It’s looking more and more as though those posts in The Maw were right when they said that an experienced mouse-and-keyboard gamer will give a controller gamer a run for his money.
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Finally: They read the forums :P

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  • 10.07.2006 2:14 PM PDT

Thinking of something witty to write here since 2004...

Well I've always played with a controller since I was five and I also play with a keyboard and mouse but I can aim faster with a controller.

Stop treating console gamers as if they're insuperior to you. They're both gaming machines. Maybe some people don't want to bother spending thousands of dollars and choosing each individual part and then there's even a chance of something going wrong. Or maybe they just want to spend a few hundred on a console and just play.

And then some of us (myself included) play both. Some of us don't have the components needed and/or can't afford them. I play console game more than PC games but that's only because I can't afford the upgrades needed to play most of the newer PC games.

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  • 10.07.2006 11:45 PM PDT
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We aren't bashing people with controllers. All we are saying is that for the most part keyboards and controllers are much better at FPS on the PC because you can have a very high accuracy with the mouse. There is almost no lock on in Halo PC, and the same probably will be true with H2V.

It's fine that you play on the console. I do to. It's just that I have more games for the PC than I do for my consoles. I grew up on the NES and N64. I finally got my own computer 3 years ago for $15 dollars at a rummage sale.


PS: Keyboards and mice don't costs thousands of dollars. Many people here supprisingly have "old" hardware that they have had for awhile. Heck, I'm typing on a 10 year old keyboard here.

Also, don't buy the PS3 if you don't want to spend a lot of money, $600+ console and $50-$100 games, FTW?

  • 10.08.2006 1:52 AM PDT

Thinking of something witty to write here since 2004...

No I'm saying that buying a whole, decent computer costs a few thousand dollars.

And with mice I always tend to 'overaim'. They just move too fast for me and my sensitivity is always at 1. I just tend to be able to aim faster and get a lock faster with a controller.

And I would never buy a PS3.

When H2V comes out we'll have to do a comparison. I don't really think it makes that much of a difference.

  • 10.08.2006 3:53 AM PDT
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Yes, but as long as your software isn't a pile of -blam!-, you can play far more games before updating your PC. Every 4-5 years a bigger, badder, more expensive console comes out, and unless you spend another 500 bucks, you can't do anything because your old system can't support new games. If I had to buy a new $5000 computer every 5 years, I probably wouldn't PC game. The only exception to this is the Wii, which is almost the same price as the cube. Actually, with the crazy new control design, maybe PC FPS have finally met their match at control scheme.

Either way, I can't wait for H2V. No matter what, Bungie will wow us, as they always do.

By the way, the reason you can lock on faster is auto aim, which is one reason why PC and console Halo players can't play each other.

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  • 10.08.2006 7:39 AM PDT

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No I play Battlefield 2 and counterstrike on Xbox. Those don't have autoaim and I'm still better on the console versions than the PC versions (I've played both).

I've been playing Halo PC campaign and multiplayer and I just can't play multiplayer since i live in Australia and you have to have a good 10 meter lead for your shots. Campaigns getting a bit better. I'll have to buy a wired 360 controller and see if there's any improvement.

i just want H2V so I can get into making maps for it. I got a lot of good ideas including grav-lifts ;).

And it's every 6 months that a new an improved graphics card or processor comes out.

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  • 10.09.2006 4:18 AM PDT