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Subject: What are discarding-sabot rounds? (S2 AM ammo)
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Well? Anybody?

Reading through The Flood again, no idea why, but when that putz marine gets his Warthog flipped after raiding the PoA and goes to snipe one of the two elites, it describes the ammo. "Fin-stabilized, discarding-sabot rounds" - spurred my thread.

[Edited on 5/22/2004 7:52:14 PM]

  • 05.22.2004 7:50 PM PDT
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A sabot round is a big bullet with a thick plastic casing around it, as the bullet travels through the barrel the plastic falls off.

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  • 05.22.2004 7:56 PM PDT
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sweet, ur smart, or at least w/ guns

one other thing, have u guys read the halo manual, the S2 AM sniper has something like 18.2mm bullets, imagine how much that would hurt!

  • 05.22.2004 7:59 PM PDT
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@ stonewall:
That's nice.

WHY??!!

@ pckl:

It's like 14.5mm. The pistol is 12.7, AR=7.62.

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  • 05.22.2004 7:59 PM PDT
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Well i dont think it would really hurt, more like one second your fine, next second you have a hole through your lung. The after-effects would hurt a LOT, not the actual bullet hitting you.

  • 05.22.2004 8:02 PM PDT
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I dont think the bullet would hurt a whole lot cause ummmm youd probly be dead as soon as it hit you. Not unless you shoot your self in the foot, which would probly happen to me........HEY MA!!! look what i can do!!!! BANG!!!! OWWWWWWWWWWW!!!

  • 05.22.2004 8:02 PM PDT
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It depends where you get hit. If you get hit in the leg or arm, it would feel pretty awful. But if you would get hit in the torso, you would either go into shock or be killed shortly after depending on the are of the puncture.

  • 05.22.2004 8:04 PM PDT
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On-topic, please....i was only expecting like a reply or two......answering my....question....

*ugh.*

  • 05.22.2004 8:04 PM PDT
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Stonewall pretty much answered it. The sabot is the name for the plastic casing that goes around a small finned dart. The sabot breaks apart when it leaves the barrel, and simply put it means you have a small projectile launched with lots of force, so it goes really fast. Tanks use rounds like this for killing other tanks. e.g. the depleted uranium sabot rounds US Abrams use. Some low calibre sabot rounds exist today but are not very common, as the round is too small to actually do very much damage to a person.. it's so small and fast it just passes right through them.

  • 05.22.2004 8:13 PM PDT
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Sabot rounds are more used for tank rounds. The inclusion of this technology in a sniper rifle is somewhat surprising given the backwards nature of most human technology in Halo.

Generally, the person before that mentioned the casing is correct. The larger casing has a wider surface area that allows the propellant to work upon it to greater effect. Thus, more kinetic energy. When the outer shell is discarded the kinetic energy is transferred entirely to the smaller "dart" giving it the same kinetic energy in a smaller impact area.

The smaller the impact area the greater the penetration.

Further information including a diagram can be found here...

  • 05.22.2004 8:20 PM PDT
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THANK You, Draerden. ESPECIALLY for the Diagram!...very niiiice.

  • 05.22.2004 8:24 PM PDT
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@ stonewall:
That's nice.

WHY??!!


If a bullet or other projectile has fins, it wouldnt be able to go through a barrel because the hot explosive gases used to propel the bullet forward would escape in the space between the bullet and the inside of the barrel caused by the fins, and the bullet wouldnt have a very high velocity (would probably go like 10 feet and plop on the ground). So they take plastic casing and put it in the gaps between the fins, effectively closing the gap and therefore increasing the muzzle velocity because it keeps the gases trapped behind the bullet and in order to escape the gas has to push the bullet forward out the barrel (that is the principle on which all firearms have worked for hundreds of years).

Most large projectiles (like someone said, depleted uranium shells use them) have fins to help them fly and increase accuracy because they are just plain heavy. As for small-caliber sabot rounds, I dont know.

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  • 05.22.2004 8:25 PM PDT
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Thanks be to ye, stonewall.

Good stuff....i wish i were this sah-mart...

  • 05.22.2004 8:30 PM PDT
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wow the ar is like an ak-47! what are shreder rounds there for the assult rifle.

  • 05.22.2004 9:27 PM PDT
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sabot is French for "shoe"
just thought I'd throw that out there too.

I think shredder rounds explode on impact and launch shrapnel all over the place. (?I could be wrong?)

  • 05.23.2004 9:13 AM PDT
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Yes, it is French for shoe (during the industrial revolution in the US, workers would throw their shoes (sabots) into the machines to break them, thus sabotage [I know, I've seen Star Trek VI too many times]).

Anyways, sabots are made to fill the barrel, thus harnessing the gasses' power.

As to shredder rounds, it is an armor-piercing projectile that makes a bright orange line and a high-pitched hissing sound as it travels through the air. It is designed to be used against infantry and nonmoving targets.

  • 05.23.2004 9:22 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

If I remeber correctly, shredder rounds are meant to tumble in a target. Meaning... instead of just going through something/someone clean to the other side.... or a slug just going in and stopping the target.... a Shredder enters... and usually does not leave the target... but as it travels it "tumbles" literally shredding internal organs and body tissue.... thus doing more damage than a clean shot through or just one lodged in...

Achilles

  • 05.23.2004 9:48 AM PDT
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http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn46-e.htm

Ta-da!

Read, look, and learn.

  • 05.23.2004 9:54 AM PDT