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Forums cops. Always the do-gooders of the community. But I'm here asking, what does the community really think of them. Personally, I love 'em. When the mods get drunk, the cops step up to the plate and aid the community. Always the one that get's praised for their thoughts and ideas. But that's my opinion, but what about the dark side to all this.

You know what I mean. Always on the end of the knife with comments such as get a life, or wannabe moderator. But do such mean comments means anything? I dunno. Let's take a look.

Often, many look at them as annoying, always coming in and correcting things, when one rather be independent, and fix his/her own mistakes. Or not be corrected at all. What does all this mean. I'll let you decide.

What about "wannabe moderator." This image is very common, there's not much to get. But I say, their not wanna-be moderators. Their just, simply put, helpers. Just because one seems like to act like a mod, with the way the help, doesn't mean, their a wanna-be. Okay, sure, of course, some "want-to-be" a moderator, they wouldn't pass down a request if one was asked. But I define wanna-be as:

* Claiming their the moderator's favorite. (Ex: They love me! I get things done here!)

* Claiming their soon to get, the white text.

* Claiming they're a moderator.

* Claiming, they have links [to a moderator]

* Claiming their a former moderator, and he could get him blacklisted in a snap.

...and so much more. What I'm trying to get is, their not wanna-be moderators, they just help around the community.

What about, you don't have a life. All I have to say is, they do. I am certain that they have friends and family to support him/her. Just because one rather be one the internet does not mean one does not have a social life.

What about general "I hate forum cops." Once again, I just one thing to say, I don't care! If you hate me because I'm just doing what I think is right, hate me then, but just know that I was just trying to help. But I understand when one likes to be independent, not have a cop latched to his/her back, fine. I would just say sorry and never correct him/her again. Simple. But don't hate forum cops just because their trying to do what they think is right, instead, appreciate them for their goal, but ask kindly to stop doing that to them.

I know, long read, if you made it, congrats, if you didn't, try again :-) But back to the original question, what do you think of Forum Cop-ism.


Edit: Grammer, Clearer terms

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  • 10.08.2006 4:30 PM PDT

I think that labeling the community as a whole is prejudice when it comes to "Cop-ism" but more rather should be secluded to age groups and maturity level because really most of us would already label cop-ism as a "kiddish" thing when it's more wide-spread than just that. All in all I have no problem with members reminding others of the rules on B.net. If you're familiar with the terms....

Social Contract

....then you'll understand how it could be a good or bad thing. I cannot take a stance in this however because my opinion is too diversed and illogical. I could say I like this, but I could say I hate that and it turns out the two contradict down the line. I just don't want to be labeled a hypocrite.

HOWEVER, for the sake of the thread I have no problem with Forum Cops so long as they know their place. Nothing gets me more irritated than a member that doesn't understand this and continues his make-believe crusade because it drags other people too and it becomes a whirlpool of poo.

  • 10.08.2006 4:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fantasy Star
I think that labeling the community as a whole is prejudice when it comes to "Cop-ism" but more rather should be secluded to age groups and maturity level because really most of us would already label cop-ism as a "kiddish" thing when it's more wide-spread than just that. All in all I have no problem with members reminding others of the rules on B.net. If you're familiar with the terms....

Social Contract

....then you'll understand how it could be a good or bad thing. I cannot take a stance in this however because my opinion is too diversed and illogical. I could say I like this, but I could say I hate that and it turns out the two contradict down the line. I just don't want to be labeled a hypocrite.

HOWEVER, for the sake of the thread I have no problem with Forum Cops so long as they know their place. Nothing gets me more irritated than a member that doesn't understand this and continues his make-believe crusade because it drags other people too and it becomes a whirlpool of poo.


I do agree, there shouldn't be labeling in the first place, but Humanity demands it, it's just our culture. It's not going away.

  • 10.08.2006 4:40 PM PDT

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I think you need to replace your "theirs" with "they're", to avoid looking like a knob.

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  • 10.08.2006 4:44 PM PDT

I understand now why this thread was created. IT was this thread huh?

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8734084

Appearing to be blacklisted is funny....but Iceman does have a point. I was banned for this too because I was too lazy to put "no text. I understand how far this has gotten, but you can't blame him for stating facts. You can blame the moderators for being dicks (yeah I have to use this word) about it, but you can't blame him for reinterpreting the facts. It's like saying you shouldn't say Hitler was a good guy when in fact he killed 6 million jews. It's facts man, and Iceman hit it on the nail with that one. You can interpret him as a "killjoy" and I agree so too, but then again if you look it at this way he was keeping you from getting blacklisted.

BUT then again, that thread was funny until he stepped in......ah damn.. ; (

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Posted by: Fantasy Star
I understand now why this thread was created. IT was this thread huh?

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8734084

Appearing to be blacklisted is funny....but Iceman does have a point. I was banned for this too because I was too lazy to put "no text. I understand how far this has gotten, but you can't blame him for stating facts. You can blame the moderators for being dicks (yeah I have to use this word) about it, but you can't blame him for reinterpreting the facts. It's like saying you shouldn't say Hitler was a good guy when in fact he killed 6 million jews. It's facts man, and Iceman hit it on the nail with that one. You can interpret him as a "killjoy" and I agree so too, but then again if you look it at this way he was keeping you from getting blacklisted.

BUT then again, that thread was funny until he stepped in......ah damn.. ; (


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NO!

Honestly, I've been seeing alot of this lately, and that thread inspired me to do something about it. But yeah, I see your point, If I were Iceman, I would have said this, rather than appearing to be what he ended up to appear like to you and them, a killjoy:

Lol, you almost got me! But I must say, you could get blacklisted because_____________.

[Edited on 10/8/2006]

  • 10.08.2006 4:51 PM PDT
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Thank you posing this question, Carnage.

I know Forum Cops are kind of the scum of Bungie.net, but what I try to do is give someone a heads up.

Let me tell you guys something that not a lot of people know about me: I was Blacklisted the very first time I posted on Bungie.net. Why? No one helped me get accustomed to this site. No one told me "Don't use this word" or "Don't bypass the filter."

And when I was blacklisted, I asked why I wasn't given a warning. I was told that a blacklist is my warning, and I accepted that. Thus, when I see someone quote a pyramid or bypass the filter, I suggest that they change that.

Heck, last night someone provided a link to a shock site. I PM'ed him and told him that he should change his post, lest he fall ill to the blacklist. He did, and I felt like a made a difference, as he PM'ed me back and thanked me. I didn't need a thanks, but it felt good that someone didn't get in trouble because I helped him.

I just see it as helping. I never say "LOCKED" or "See you in a week" or "This thread will be locked in 3,2,1" or anything like that. I just like to help when I can, or when someone needs clarity on a rule.

  • 10.08.2006 5:06 PM PDT
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I agree with ICEMAN. I to play "forum cop". But by any means not to impersonate, but to help other and the mods. I find helping people more enjoyable that flaming and spamming. I enjoy helping the mods with their volunteer work. If someone doesn't remember a certain rule, I let them know.

I, aswell as ICEMAN, do not say terms that are disrespectful or seem like I am a higher power. I try and help the community with the best of my ability. Many people call me a wanna be, many other tell me to get a life, but most of all people thank me. I have turned many from flamers and spammers into good doing members. People see what I do and they send me a PM asking me about what I do. I do not look down upon them, I merely tell them that I enjoy to help the community, that I am usually refered to as a "forum cop". I usually don't bore them with all the details unless they ask.

I respect forums cop. Not because I am one mind you, but because they/we help the community. We help as much as possible, whether it be messaging a mod about a thread that they did not catch, or just simply re-directing them to another forum. We try and help, many times we get treated like dirt, but many more times we get thanked for our efforts.

  • 10.08.2006 5:34 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
I know Forum Cops are kind of the scum of Bungie.net


What? Why? If contributing and helping is considered bad, then perhaps the moderators should be called scum.

I think that link explains what the Community should think of forum cops.

  • 10.08.2006 6:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
I know Forum Cops are kind of the scum of Bungie.net


What? Why? If contributing and helping is considered bad, then perhaps the moderators should be called scum.

I think that link explains what the Community should think of forum cops.


I agree with Hobo GRunt, why are they, "the scum." Like GRunt said, you mind as well call the moderators that.

Note: I never knew that thread existed, very good read.

  • 10.08.2006 6:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
I know Forum Cops are kind of the scum of Bungie.net


What? Why? If contributing and helping is considered bad, then perhaps the moderators should be called scum.

I think that link explains what the Community should think of forum cops.


Yeah I know where you're coming from.

But a lot of the time it feels like people have nothing but bad things to say when they see a "Forum Cop."

I really don't see it as a bad thing. I see it as trying to help others. When I see someone do something that might get them Blacklisted, I'd rather warn them about it instead of saying "LOL YOU'RE SO BANT!!!!"

Yet when you say something like "Quote pyramids aren't a good thing, guys" or "Don't bypass the -blam!- filter," there are times when people jump all over you for being a mod-wannabe or whatever.

Seriously, would people rather have this place filled with spam and flames? I like how the same people who complain about it are always the first to call others "Forum Cops" though.

  • 10.08.2006 6:16 PM PDT

When playing the role of "forum cop" they can't help but feel they're at a higher level than the ones their "helping" otherwise they wouldn't be helping them and it's that case that turns forum cops in grade "A" jerkwads. I've been around B.net and seen too much of this especially during the MLG v. MM period.

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Posted by: Fantasy Star
When playing the role of "forum cop" they can't help but feel they're at a higher level than the ones their "helping" otherwise they wouldn't be helping them and it's that case that turns forum cops in grade "A" jerkwads. I've been around B.net and seen too much of this especially during the MLG v. MM period.


Not exactly.

I don't see myself as any better (or worse) than anyone on this site. I mean, I'm still an '06'er at heart anyway ;-)

  • 10.08.2006 6:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
I know Forum Cops are kind of the scum of Bungie.net


What? Why? If contributing and helping is considered bad, then perhaps the moderators should be called scum.

I think that link explains what the Community should think of forum cops.


Yeah I know where you're coming from.

But a lot of the time it feels like people have nothing but bad things to say when they see a "Forum Cop."

I really don't see it as a bad thing. I see it as trying to help others. When I see someone do something that might get them Blacklisted, I'd rather warn them about it instead of saying "LOL YOU'RE SO BANT!!!!"

Yet when you say something like "Quote pyramids aren't a good thing, guys" or "Don't bypass the -blam!- filter," there are times when people jump all over you for being a mod-wannabe or whatever.

Seriously, would people rather have this place filled with spam and flames? I like how the same people who complain about it are always the first to call others "Forum Cops" though.



Like I and Fantasy Star said:

Posted by: Carnage Kaiser
Posted by: Fantasy Star
I think that labeling the community as a whole is prejudice when it comes to "Cop-ism" but more rather should be secluded to age groups and maturity level because really most of us would already label cop-ism as a "kiddish" thing when it's more wide-spread than just that. ...


I do agree, there shouldn't be labeling in the first place, but Humanity demands it, it's just our culture. It's not going away.


I see what you mean, how the complainers are first to label, but It's a quite common term among moderators also, I recall dmbfan saying to a fellow peer:

Stop playing forum cop, your bad at it.

Which, mind you, dmbfan is not the only one that ever used the term Forum cop. You probably know this, I just felt like bringing that up, as the term Forum cop, is not a bad term.

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  • 10.08.2006 6:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Fantasy Star
When playing the role of "forum cop" they can't help but feel they're at a higher level than the ones their "helping" otherwise they wouldn't be helping them and it's that case that turns forum cops in grade "A" jerkwads. I've been around B.net and seen too much of this especially during the MLG v. MM period.


If someone helps someone to feel "better" than them, then they aren't a forum cop.

  • 10.08.2006 6:26 PM PDT

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Forum Cop or "Cop-ism" is just plain stupid, it is just another form of stereotyping which leads to Elitism. People who honestly give a care about this community are the ones helping others. People who correct links, give advice, quote the rules here and there, or generally just try to inform someone of the rules is just someone who wants to improve the community. Given some of them might do it for wrong reasons, but the quality of their efforts counts just as much.

Personally I try to help where I can, if I can help settle a debate or something I will. But that doesn't mean I don't post my ideas or I don't act a little random here and there. We all do...

  • 10.08.2006 6:27 PM PDT
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Depends.

It's all a matter of context. There are a lot of times when "Forum Cop" is used in a derogatory fashion. And other times it can be viewed as a "title," I guess.

Not that I'm one for titles though. I just consider myself a member. Though there are certain "kinds" of members (flamers, spammers, trolls, devils advocate, lurkers, etc) and I've come to accept that. And I guess "Forum Cop" is right up there with those kinds of members.

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  • 10.08.2006 6:30 PM PDT
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I used to be one. As in, I fit the definition.

But hey, what's so bad about it? If you're breaking the law in the real world, would it be so bad if some random person walked up and told you that you were doing something wrong?

Hell, wouldn't that be better?
-TGP-

  • 10.08.2006 6:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Depends.

It's all a matter of context. There are a lot of times when "Forum Cop" is used in a derogatory fashion. And other times it can be viewed as a "title," I guess.

Not that I'm one for titles though. I just consider myself a member. Though there are certain "kinds" of members (flamers, spammers, trolls, devils advocate, lurkers, etc) and I've come to accept that. And I guess "Forum Cop" is right up there with those kinds of members.


True, but I still don't like the fact that the term "Forum Cop" is handled like it is. People who have true feelings for the community and just try to help aren't these "type" of people, that is forum cop. But rather just sincere members of the community...

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True, but I still don't like the fact that the term "Forum Cop" is handled like it is. People who have true feelings for the community and just try to help aren't these "type" of people, that is forum cop. But rather just sincere members of the community...


That's more or less the way I see it, Zee.

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Not being sarcastic, but due to the fact that most of you (and me) resent that title (Or titles in general), would you rather me change the title.

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  • 10.08.2006 6:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Carnage Kaiser
* Claiming their soon to get, the white text.

* Claiming they're a moderator.

* Claiming, they have links [to a moderator]

* Claiming their a former moderator, and he could get him blacklisted in a snap.

Just to clarify, all those things are highly against the rules and will earn someone a blacklist. (Well it depends how strong he is claiming the links are. Claiming friendship, even if it's not true, isn't against the rules. But if it's "Don't mess with me because I'm friends with Ghandi and he'll blacklist you if I ask him" then it is, especially if he's lying. Although he might not be lying in his mind; one guy, after talking to me on MSN once, asked me if he could be a mod. I said no, obviously, and he said "Come on, I thought we were friends!" Some people have a skewed perception of reality, I guess. Needless to say, after he literally begged me for about 20 minutes I blocked him.)
If you see someone doing that, please report him.

I don't have time to really contribute to this discussion; I just wanted to mention that.

  • 10.08.2006 6:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Carnage Kaiser
Not being sarcastic, but due to the fact that most of you (and me) resent that title (Or titles in general), would you rather me change the title.


I don't really see a problem with it, seeing as how it is the most accepted term for people who contribute. And there isn't really anything else to call it.

  • 10.08.2006 6:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
I used to be one. As in, I fit the definition.

But hey, what's so bad about it? If you're breaking the law in the real world, would it be so bad if some random person walked up and told you that you were doing something wrong?

Hell, wouldn't that be better?
-TGP-


"Hello, sir. You just shot that person. I just wanted to let you know that it's against the law. If you would like to shoot something, you could go paintballing."

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Posted by: Carnage Kaiser
Not being sarcastic, but due to the fact that most of you (and me) resent that title (Or titles in general), would you rather me change the title.


Nah.

Not that I wear it as a badge or anything, but it's something that people just see you as when you consistently act that way on a site.

Like there are plenty of members who I know will flame you, and plenty who are just jokesters. And then there are the forum cops. Though we don't have visible titles, we all see each other with titles.

What don't like is when people put a bad spin on the name. Granted, I really haven't been here that long, so I don't know if Forum Cop had that sort of "double meaning" when Kilroy made that well thought out thread. But nowadays, it does seem more .............. I don't want to say "negative" but, it's definitely not an overly positive thing to be called.

Regardless, it's like calling someone a spammer or flamer or troll. I guess we are who we are.

But what I hate the most is when people confuse "forum cop" with "mod-wannabe." That's just annoying, and the term "forum cop" is fast being looked at as "mod-wannabe," and I guess that's where the somewhat negative connotation comes in.

  • 10.08.2006 6:55 PM PDT