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Posted by: Rant
Whats so wrong with suggesting that the update should either be turned into something monthly or changed to when Bungie has alot to update us on? Whats wrong with that suggestion?

It's boring. It's asking for the updates to be usual cubicle spew instead of a community event. It penalises those of us who are Bungie fans in a vain attempt to please those who are here only to hear about one game.

Remember, you asked.

-- Steve likes the Updates as windows to the inside of Bungie, because he cares more about them than about getting yet more ad copy.

[Edited on 10/9/2006]

  • 10.09.2006 9:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

I think its funny to read the weekly updates and see how Frankie tries to tell us something by not really telling us anything. And then to watch all the people scurry around on the forums trying to decypher what Frankie just told us by not telling us!?!? It's really funny to watch.

Anyways, I think that it is fine to have a weekly update, even if it doesn't provide a lot of pertinent information. I'm pretty sure that one of the reasons that they decided to do podcasts was to give in depth information about certain things, and those take place outside of a weekly schedule as far as I know. I figure keep the update, and leave any serious info for the podcasts or special announcements.

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  • 10.09.2006 11:10 PM PDT
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Bungie does the Weekly Update out of the goodness of their hearts. They could just shut this site down if they wanted too. They would piss alot of us off, but are you telling me that you wouldn't buy Halo 3. They provide us the information about their games because they actually care about the individual consumer. You may not think it, but it is Business 101.

  • 10.09.2006 11:26 PM PDT
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While I've stopped reading the updates until its somthing apealing (used to read em all), many people like to read the updates. Just don't read them.

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The problem appears to be people's expectations. Those who seem to be disappointed with the WU are those who are expecting some kind of Halo 3 info. Now, I do agree that if the update is for all things bungie, then it should indeed include some things Halo 3 (it is after all, their main project). However, When the focus is on waiting for this H3 info, people are always going to feel let down - that is until Gears of War is released and Bungie can stop being so 'hush hush and on the QT'. ;-)

I think many fans are becoming increasingly cynical - They don't care for waiting till the game is released to know what it's like; they want to feel reassured now. The more Bungie hold back, the more reservations people have about the game.

At least that's how it looks to me.

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Posted by: Rant
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The problem appears to be people's expectations. Those who seem to be disappointed with the WU are those who are expecting some kind of Halo 3 info. Now, I do agree that if the update is for all things bungie, then it should indeed include some things Halo 3 (it is after all, their main project). However, When the focus is on waiting for this H3 info, people are always going to feel let down - that is until Gears of War is released and Bungie can stop being so 'hush hush and on the QT'. ;-)

I think many fans are becoming increasingly cynical - They don't care for waiting till the game is released to know what it's like; they want to feel reassured now. The more Bungie hold back, the more reservations people have about the game.

At least that's how it looks to me.


Good points. It also doesnt help that theyre stating how great the game is without really showing any info. Im sure the game IS great but gamers like to make theyre own decisions and they dont like to be teased. Look how Sony is ruining their image with the way theyre handling the PS3.


Actually Sony is not. The fact is there a month behind production and have trouble with there new "CELL" Processor

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Should the Bungie update be done away with?

What you speak, sir, is heresy. In order to prevent being launched into the sun with a giant sling shot at a future date I suggest that you take immediate action:

* Edit all posts in this thread and your title to include 7,777 7's.
* NEVER SIGN INTO THIS ACCOUNT AGAIN
* Pray for forgiveness
* Create a new account and NEVER DO THIS AGAIN

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Should the Bungie update be done away with?

What you speak, sir, is heresy. In order to prevent being launched into the sun with a giant sling shot at a future date I suggest that you take immediate action:

* Edit all posts in this thread and your title to include 7,777 7's.
* NEVER SIGN INTO THIS ACCOUNT AGAIN
* Pray for forgiveness
* Create a new account and NEVER DO THIS AGAIN


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Posted by: Rant
No actually they are. They expect customers to shell out $400-$600 for the system alone without providing info on a solid launch lineup, without seeing any finished game demos,and without detailing their plans for online service. Then after stating they would have a couple million units available for launch they now state they only have 500-600,000. Problems with blue diodes dont concern me. It just reinforces the preception that they are rushing this product. Back on topic though,please.


You're not thinking this through. Some facts for your consumption:

* The sun is really really hot.
* Bungie is constructing a slingshot to shoot people into the sun.
* Giant slingshots are scary.
* The sun is really really really really hot.

  • 10.10.2006 8:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: Rant
Saying they do something out of the goodness of their hearts is comical at best, bordering on delusional. You said yourself its business 101. And to reinterate for the 4th time, I was saying that perhaps due to time constraints they should limit the amount of updates. Maybe the Bungie Monthly update would be more favorable.

Y'know , the people who keep going back to the same diner and loudly complaining about the cooking are statistically more likely to get a phlegm-burger and fries with extra rat-pee.

What frustrates me is the number of people who misconstrue the purpose of the Updates and then complain that they don't fulfill it. The Updates are NOT product promotions. People expecting Halo 3 propaganda in them are naturally going to be disappointed. Frankly, I'm astonished that these people have not yet learned that these expectations will ALWAYS be disappointed. Even flatworms eventually figure out that if one part of a maze never has a reward, they should stop going there... why this is beyond some humans is beyond me.

Bungie Weekly Updates are about Bungie. This is a simple concept.

Halo 3 is part of Bungie but not all of Bungie.This is also a simple concept. It is also one repeated in every Update.

-- Steve will reiterate; the Bungie Weekly Updates are for fans interested in the goings-on in the company. All others need not apply.

  • 10.10.2006 8:28 AM PDT

Tons of people like them, so why get rid of them when you could just not read them if they bother you so much?

  • 10.10.2006 8:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: kd5shw
Should the Bungie update be done away with?
What you speak, sir, is heresy. In order to prevent being launched into the sun with a giant sling shot at a future date I suggest that you take immediate action:

* Edit all posts in this thread and your title to include 7,777 7's.
* NEVER SIGN INTO THIS ACCOUNT AGAIN
* Pray for forgiveness
* Create a new account and NEVER DO THIS AGAIN

Does it make you feel good to defend a multi-million dollar company that is under the umbrella of a multi-billion dollar company...

...who can therefore afford said slingshot. Don't you see? It's simple survival instinct.

When it boils down to it, we like knowing what goes on at Bungie. We like the rivalry, the joking, the humour, the sweat, the blood and the tears.

*ahem*. Some of us are interested in the stuff other than Halo 2/3. When they aren't talking about a game, we like hearing about the other things going on. =)

[Edited on 10/10/2006]

  • 10.10.2006 8:43 AM PDT

i love knowing whats going on with bungie and if they put something for halo 3 on the update great, if not it dont matter, its not the end of the world. i love the updates the way they are.

  • 10.10.2006 9:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Rant
Saying that the updates are not product promotion is sort of silly to me. The entire site is product promotion. Thats its major purpose. To provide information to the general public about their upcoming and past projects.

And that is why you fail. You make sweeping assumptions and then complain when the real world does not match up with them.

No one logs onto Bungie.net to get information about anything else other than videogames.
Except those who use if as a social nexus. Or those interested in past games. Or those interested in the industry. Or those who've come to know a little about the people in the studio and look to hear more about them.

You are not the total of the audience. You may not even be in the target audience of the Updates. Please consider this.

If they do then theyre searching the wrong place because all the company does is make videogames. And to state that there is something wrong with the people coming to the site seeking information on the companys main product, its best selling product is also silly.
Halo 3 is not Bungie's best selling product, as it is not for sale yet. (Despite what online vendors would like us to think.)

You can spit in my fries and what not, but the fact of the matter is if you want your business to do well and to keep the clients coming back then you wont do that. You'll try to give the customers what they want. Otherwise you'll soon get bad word of mouth and be out of business. Which means you wont have a little job where you go to and spit in people's burgers.
Firstly, it's not "my" business. I'm a volunteer here; just another raving fanboi. (I just happen to have hung around long enough, in the right places, to figure out a bit about the company; because of this, they somehow trust me to act in the fans' best interests here. Somewhat, anyway.)

Secondly, every customer service program I've encountered directs its students to recognise that there is no pleasing everyone. To even try is to please no one, and is even worse than concentrating on what you do best. These courses even say how to handle customers who keep coming back and complaining despite your efforts; they say, "Get rid of them. Gracefully, if possible, but quickly. They'll do you more harm than good; they'll suck your efforts away from the customers you can please, they'll drive away other customers with their complaints, and they'll escalate their demands if you give them further concessions. They're not worth the effort; dump 'em."

Truly, there's no need to further promote Halo 3. Mere mention of the name is enough to promote it; the anticipation level is so high right now that further promotional activity would make very little commercial sense. Turning the Update into yet another sales pitch would be counterproductive, in my opinion, because it would simply blend in to the existing background murmur unless it continually escalated in scope to the point that the product release would be an anticlimax.

Instead of that, I'd rather hear about the people behind the project thank you very much.

-- Steve enjoys the updates for what they are; something other than the breathless hyperbole about an upcoming product.

  • 10.10.2006 9:20 AM PDT
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A) What's with the resurrection of arse-kissery around here?

B) The weekly update (rubbish as it is sometimes), is brilliant. Like a tabloid newspaper. Sometimes it's crap, sometimes it's hysterical.

  • 10.10.2006 9:21 AM PDT

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Heh, they'll complain even more if you take it away.

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The updates should continue because they are sometimes funny and at times interesting.

  • 10.10.2006 10:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Rant
Another major point of business is that bad word of mouth or press carries farther and faster than good word of mouth. If you have a bad experience shopping somewhere you are more liable to tell someone about it rather than going to the store and having an excellent experience.

Which is exactly why customer service programs say to get rid of those with unreasonable expectations or who make unserviceable demands. Make it quick and clean, to prevent them from damaging the experience of others.

Because when someone goes shopping they EXPECT things for their money. That's what comes with success. Expectations.
And that's a merry-go-round with no end save disaster. Further hype, leading to higher expectations, leading to further hype, leading to higher expectations, leading to further hype, leading to expectations of the Second Coming, leading to further-further hype, etc... These things need to be timed, and controlled, or they're worse than nothing.

I'd rather that Bungie not feed those expectations and keep them safely LOW instead of putting bigger and bigger spin engines until the whole publicity carousel lifts off into the crowd and wipes out half the circus.

-- Steve doubts that many copies of Halo 3 will be sold by the Weekly Updates, and that's fine; they're designed to promote THE COMPANY and THE COMMUNITY, not the product. If that's not to your taste, then perhaps you should be looking elsewhere.

  • 10.10.2006 10:22 AM PDT