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A while ago, someone mentioned the idea of registering a game before being able to join this website. Dmbfan mentioned the idea of joining this website only if you had a credit card. Recon is always blabbing about how an account should have more value.

Now the problem with registry and credit cards is, if someone doesn't have one of those evil cards, or doesn't have a Bungie game yet, he can't join. And there is this problem: let's say there are two brothers, but they only have one copy of halo 2. That means that only one can join this website.

So I have been thinking, and while browsing through the Bioware forums, I realized something; If one wants to have an avatar and signature in that place, he has to register a game. He can join, interact, but he misses all the extras.

If one should ask me, that's a pretty good way to add more value to an account. Especially if you add community exclusives to the website.
You know, exclusive screenshots, interviews, articles, movies even. Just for the people who registered a game, or used their credit card to join.

Let's look at all the people who are begging for new Halo 3 screenshots for instance. They'll be a lot more careful, they don't want to risk the chance of being banned and thereby missing all those juicy new screenshots or something.
And oh, little brother Jimmy can always look over brother Bobo's shoulder to see that new screenshot.

Dunno, just throwing out ideas here.

  • 10.12.2006 8:17 AM PDT

What you are suggesting is what I eventually revised my idea to be in that thread you are referring to. Since then I've changed my mind again and want this place to require either a credit card or gamertag to join (but only for new members).

I do like your idea though, so you get a thumbs up.

*gives JaF thumbs up*

Edit: AAAAAHHHHHH!!!! TOO MUCH WHITE!

*eyes bleed*

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  • 10.12.2006 8:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: dmbfan09
AAAAAHHHHHH!!!! TOO MUCH WHITE!


Sorry to break the shiney text pattern. (LoL)

Though the idea of registration would cut the amount of new users considerably, it would essentially end all the multiple accounts.

I'm on the fence for this one. I'm thinking of a few ideas as well, but all of it boils down to one thing: Registering something.

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  • 10.12.2006 8:33 AM PDT

Sure it would add value, but people who create multiple accounts to spam don't care too much about exclusive stuff. But yeah, it would make people much more afraid of the banhammer.

  • 10.12.2006 8:38 AM PDT
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Just had a thought-

Why not set it so that new accounts need to wait 24 hours before posting? During that time, you can have a message that will encourage the new user to Read the Stickies and stress the importance of following the rules.

Sure, it'll be inconvienient for those who want to discuss things right away when they come here, but the spammers might become discouraged at the thought that they can't post on their spam account for a day.

Just a thought. But there are flaws with this idea. Like the fact that it's really not fair to those who want to be good members and are forced to wait a day.

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  • 10.12.2006 8:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rant
So you'd basically have a regular site and a "pay site"

No. You don't have to pay. You simply will be missing extras, such as avatars, signatures, etc.
It's a way to make sure people will hold more value to their account. And it's a way to prevent people from making multiple accounts.

  • 10.12.2006 8:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rant
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Just had a thought-

Why not set it so that new accounts need to wait 24 hours before posting? During that time, you can have a message that will encourage the new user to Read the Stickies and stress the importance of following the rules.

Sure, it'll be inconvienient for those who want to discuss things right away when they come here, but the spammers might become discouraged at the thought that they can't post on their spam account for a day.

Just a thought. But there are flaws with this idea. Like the fact that it's really not fair to those who want to be good members and are forced to wait a day.


Think about this for a second. If someone creates an account and they just want to screw around then making them wait 24 hours and placeing a suggestion to read stickies is not going to help because theyre more than likely not going to want to hear what the rules are. When you have a public forum this is one of many problems. You get all types. Its like having a public beach or park. Some people will want to know the park rules and others will just want to sunbathe nude.


The point is, if a member wants to join this community so much so that they're willing to wait a day, I assume they would at least skim the rules while they wait.

And the spammers would be sitting there twiddling their thumbs for a day. Sure, it's only a day, but after the 5th or 6th account, I don't think they'd get the enjoyment out of spamming.

And it'll at least help instill some respect for the rules. Because now if you flame someone, you can't just think "I'll just make another account in 2 minutes."

But it's just something to think about if the idea of registration is too un-inviting.

  • 10.12.2006 8:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rant
If you have to register a game to get extras, like custom avatars and such then youre targetting the hardcore fan who is most likely going to behave him/herself anyway and youre missing the spammers and vagrants. SO youre making loyal fans pay for something while not improving the overall condition of the forum.

Save for the chance of removing the trolls and spammers. Anyway, I'm just throwing out ideas here.

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  • 10.12.2006 8:57 AM PDT

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The problem I see with this idea, is that some people just don't have credit cards, or their parents that do get really paranoid about 'giving' their credit card number away. Now, then you could come say 'Well, most people here are supposed to be 18, since Halo is rated M." The truth is, that's not really true, and we all know it. Many of our good members, or even the majority, are probably between 12 and 18, which still leaves out a lot of people, in my opinion. I love the idea of adding more value to an account, but using a credit card just isn't the best way. I'm not sure what would be better, though..

  • 10.12.2006 8:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rant
Honestly I see something unsettling here. Here's what I mean. There seems to be an increasing focus on people who by-pass the rules of the forum. Whether that be by flaming or making multiple accounts or what have you. NOw I dont have numbers but I have to think that though this problem is annoying it is not huge that its threatening to destroy the site or forums.


It's not a problem that will always be here, but there's a member who has an enormous amount of accounts. And yes, people are getting in trouble because of him. Partly it's their fault for quoting a filter bypass, but the point is- when a member is permabanned, he's not supposed to come back.

Well I get people who tell me that they are sometimes afraid to either make a statement or even post a thread topic because they dont want to get banned or have their thread locked. So this leads to posts being more "safe". More repeat threads. Less interesting discussions.

I'm not afraid to enter threads and discuss my mind, because I know what's fair game on this site.

If someone wants to walk through a mine field with blindfolds on, then of course they're going to be afraid. But give that person a map of where the mines are, and remove the blindfold, and they can see the light- and walk through unscathed.

Terrible analogy, but it's what popped into my head. My point is- if people think twice before making a statement (Think before you post) then there will be a lot less rules being broken, and members being banned. And if the account system didn't have so many loopholes and leeway, there would be a lot more respect for the rules on this site.

  • 10.12.2006 9:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rant
I see through your horrible horrible horrible analogy and get what youre saying. However it seems the average user has to think more and more about whats ok to post and less about the thread topic he's posting on.


You're kinda contradicting yourself here. "Think before you post" is not only a rule, it's common sense (or it should be.) I've seen many people just jump and post something inappropiate or make a topic that doesn't have any place on this site, and they get in trouble.

If people are thinking more, then that's a good thing. It's one less "Look at my pr0n site" thread to worry about.


However, if you are also worrying about not coming off as a spammer or flammer because youve been told that its a growing problem, or if youre worried that talking about a tangent topic on the thread you opened might get it locked because its not on topic or what have you, then youre having a harder time enjoying yourself.

Not quite, at least in my opinion. If you think that what you say is spam or flames, then you shouldn't say it. This site has plenty of opportunites for fun, but if you think that "OMFG, YOU'RE SUCH AN IDIOT!!!!11111LOLOLOLOLO" is a bad thing, and you don't post it because you don't want to get banned...............then that's a good thing.

Obviously reading rules helps. But experience also helps. People are going to get banned or warned or have things locked from time to time because they may be new to the forum or they just havent learned. This doesnt mean the spammers and flammers are widespread. It just might mean you have alot of new raw members to not only THIS forum but to forums in general.

Experience is king, I'll give you that. But reading the Rules is just as essential. You can have the most intelligent person come to this forum, but if he starts a thread about the "Effects of the World Summit meeting concerning North Korea," then guess what? He broke a rule about politics. A rule that wouldn't have been broken if the rules were read by him.

Ultimately, the choice is up to the individual to read the Rules.

  • 10.12.2006 9:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rant

Good points. However, most people in everyday life dont sit down and read a booklet before they do something. They learn via experience, because it is the fastest most intutive way to learn something.


John Dewey baby ;-)

They most certainly do Rant, definately a well established fact.

  • 10.12.2006 9:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rant
Good points. However, most people in everyday life dont sit down and read a booklet before they do something. They learn via experience, because it is the fastest most intutive way to learn something. Before you step outside your house you dont download the State Laws off the web.


That's true.

Of course you try to apply "common sense", thats why the majority of people do not defecate in public. Those who do are dealt with accordling and either repeat the offense and get punished again or they learn where to keep their ish. But if someone defecates in public you dont call a town meeting and demand that everyone read the laws regarding pooping and every law in general.

Not only did you make sense there, but you made me LOL. Hehe

Im trying to say that the site is not running rampant with abusive users. The site has alot of traffic. Bungie is a very popular developer and Halo is even more popular. So of course youre going to get a segment of these people that come in and act nutty.

Well.........the problem is that it only takes one person. There was a clear example of this in Bungie.net's history, but I don't want to bring up past events that are stressed not to be talked about. But what I'm trying to say is that spam is a very imitatible behavior. I don't know if you saw the super spammer last night, but when he posted he started egging people on to flame him in a way that that they too bypassed the filter. They're lucky they weren't banned.

One user has an enormous amount of accounts? Its still one user. He should be easy to spot by now.

You'd be surprised. I don't want to talk about him, but there are times where he'll make it clear it's him and times he doesn't make it as obvious. But the thing is- he's out to get attention, and people are going to give it to him.

In a thread about the plane incident yesterday, it only took one inappropiate reply from a spammer to hijack it. Then 3 consecutive pages of spam and flame. I know one person doesn't seem to make a difference, but it does when you have threads like that (the ones on thin ice) and someone says something inappropiate, it's going to break out into a war.

As to "thinking before you post" again that goes to slowly gaining experience in learning generally how to post.

Agreed.

Youre sighting extreme cases with the examples you gave. Those cases are rare and far between.

Well....not quite. A lot of my examples were toned down, believe it or not. Stuff like what I cited happens every day, somewhere on here.

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  • 10.12.2006 10:20 AM PDT

Good ideas and points all-around, perhaps. What if you just limited the amount of posts users can make based on their time on this site. Say for your first week you can only make five posts per day, or something along those lines. Maybe, after every week or so you'd gain the ability to make five more posts everyday. Once you had been a member for a predefined amount of time then you would have access to unlimited posting. Also, you could maybe augment it with the game/credit card registration idea to open new users up to unlimited accesss provided they go that more dedicated route. You could then even allow the game/cc registered users access to more perks like custom avatars and such.

I guess one problem that could arise from this is that it could give the illusion of promoting elitism. But, in reality it is merely giving the more dedicated and time-honored fans(to Bungie and this site) another reason to enjoy their ability to post freely on this site. I dunno, thoughts anyone?

  • 10.12.2006 10:24 AM PDT
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To Spec-Ops:

Limiting the amount of posts would be a pretty good idea.

That would definitely shave down on the spam. But the only problem with it (and with pretty much every idea about this subject) is that it's definitely making it a different initial experience for the new crowd.

But personally, if I was new and could only make 'so many' posts per day, I wouldn't mind.

  • 10.12.2006 10:28 AM PDT

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