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Subject: Guilty spark knew Master Cheif b4 the events of halo 1
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Ok just 1 thing bugs me about this whole thread. You all seem to think the MJOLNIR armor is borrowed technology from the Covenant. This is FALSE. ONI and UNSC had been devoloping different armor varients for years and years and then came up with the MJOLNIR that was unusable for average humans due to it's strength enhancing power. John-117 was the first to test it and the other spartins and himself used it for years before it ever even had SHEILD technology. THIS is the technology that was borrowed from the covenant, SHIELD technology. It was originally copied after a Jackal shield that John-117 recovered after one of there first engagements.

Sorry to be such be so harsh on my first post but If you want to make educated hypothysis about story lines you need to read all 3 books and get some info not stated in the games. Remember Bungie worked close with the authors to retain story integrity.

  • 10.22.2006 6:48 PM PDT
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343 is referring to the reclaimer in all parts of those lines.

"Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?"

The MC already started the process of activating the ring.

"Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed."

He's talking about the last reclaimer.The reclaimer probably asked if it was the best course of action.

"You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating. "

Hes probably commenting on how life started over again and how it took so long to develop.

  • 10.23.2006 9:27 AM PDT
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Mm...I noticed that. Though he did not know MC he knew a forerunner, and humans are the descendants of the forerunners. So... he must've been mistaken.

  • 10.23.2006 9:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: sparten110
has anyone considered that the forruners created the spartens orginily because they are cyborgs as stats covenet and most other evednc found in both games so they appered human to 343GS and some how humans obtained parts of the forruners reaserch that lead them to create the spartens?


Could be. They found clues left by the forerunners that led to location of the first halo. But we could take it even further. Did the forerunners create a race called the reclaimers or save them from the destruction of the halo's by creating the arc.

  • 10.24.2006 11:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sable Assassin
Mm...I noticed that. Though he did not know MC he knew a forerunner, and humans are the descendants of the forerunners. So... he must've been mistaken.


mistake, kinda defeats the purpose of an advanced AI

  • 10.24.2006 11:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: NomadicGod
343 is referring to the reclaimer in all parts of those lines.

"Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed."

He's talking about the last reclaimer.The reclaimer probably asked if it was the best course of action.



But it wasn't a reclaimer that activated the rings last. We know that because

ARBITER:

And those who made the rings? What happened to the Forerunners?

343 GUILTY SPARK:

After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life in three radii of the galactic center, died ...as planned.

So unless the reclaimer's found the rings and created guilty spark they didn't activate them.

  • 10.24.2006 11:28 AM PDT

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Ok just 1 thing bugs me about this whole thread. You all seem to think the MJOLNIR armor is borrowed technology from the Covenant. This is FALSE. ONI and UNSC had been devoloping different armor varients for years and years and then came up with the MJOLNIR that was unusable for average humans due to it's strength enhancing power. John-117 was the first to test it and the other spartins and himself used it for years before it ever even had SHEILD technology. THIS is the technology that was borrowed from the covenant, SHIELD technology. It was originally copied after a Jackal shield that John-117 recovered after one of there first engagements.

Sorry to be such be so harsh on my first post but If you want to make educated hypothysis about story lines you need to read all 3 books and get some info not stated in the games. Remember Bungie worked close with the authors to retain story integrity.
MJOLNIR Mk IV and up were borrowed from the Covenant, the older suits were powered exoskeletons (Think like a small mech, tight around your body)

  • 10.24.2006 1:44 PM PDT
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Or maybe the forerunners looked like humans. In the flood, a marine was in the library, near the index. He realised these newcomers looked like his creaotrs, and assumed they were. Or maybe i'm just as insane as 343GS.

  • 10.26.2006 5:41 AM PDT
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After looking at those transcripts and reading the flood, I dont believe it was MC or any other spartan that 343GS is referring to. I believe he is just talking about another reclaimer (not sure what race) that possibly activated the ring the last time.

  • 10.26.2006 7:28 AM PDT
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maybe the reclaimers were machines and that is why 343 gs said he saw him before, because the reclaimer looked llike master chief and it wasnt sure about destroying all life in the galaxy, but since it was a machine, 343 assumed it survived, or maybe it was a hunter, but not probably

  • 10.28.2006 5:04 AM PDT
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What was it in my post that you didn't understand. MJOLNIR armor was not borrowed tech!
Read your books! To lazy? Here I'll give you the chapters, and pages for reference.

Book- The Fall of Reach

Chapter 13 page 114 Refers to Project MJOLNIR

Chapter 14 page 127 Shows that the armor does not yet have shield tech with the spartan 1st contact with a jackal. John 117 picks up the deactivated jackal shield.

Chapter 25 page 230-236 once again refers to Project MJOLNIR and it being a culmination of Dr. Halsey's lifes work. And it also not having yet reached it's full potential.

Chapter 27 page 248-252 This is where the HUMAN MJOLNIR armor is tested after it was monified with the Covenant shield tech which was taken from the jackal shield and improved upon. This is the chapter that states that for years ONI and human scientist were unable to back engineer covenant shield tech but were unsuccessful until now.
This is also the time that Cortana and the master chief John 117 were introduced and first worked together.

So tell me where in any of the books does it say Mark IV armor and up were borrowed other than the shield tech. Give me books chapters, pages and examples.

Oh here is another This is from First Strike

Chapter 9 page 89 Cortana commanded a covenant engineer to fix John 117's shields.

Chapter 10 page 96-97 Haverson shot the covenant engineer because the Covenant is imitative not inovative and he didn't want to take the risks of the shield tech making it back to the Covenant. You see The shield technology is what was stolen from them and improved upon not the armor itself.

Prove me wrong and have the ability to back it up!

  • 10.29.2006 11:49 AM PDT
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I believe that the relcaimers were the second troop of SPATRAN II's that were supposed to have diedd on reach...
somehow they escaped and formed The Halo's as a clan to get revenge on the covie bastards that ruined their home... so they developed the flood inorder to use them as servants and weaponry.....
u can guess what happened from there

  • 10.29.2006 6:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: wolfnight
Guilty spark knew Master Cheif b4 the events of halo 1, or someone who wore the MJOLNIR armour. It is the only logical way to explain the transcripts below which are taken from various points in Halo CE levels, namely "two betrayls" and "the maw."

"(pauses) More or less. Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. (pause) But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?"

"Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?"

"Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed."

"You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating. "

I got these transcripts from http://halo.bungie.org/

Check out the story pages for more ideas.

I'd like to know what people think of this and if anyone has noticed it before. I will also start a thread in the halo 3 section of this sight where people can post ideas on the implications of this for halo 3.
I think that he, GS, meant that he was sure that MS would finish what he had already started to do. After all, all that he had to do was press a button and halo would have started. as for the "last time you asked" line. he could have been talking about another time in between times where you actually play. just because the MC in on a mission does not mean that he would not take time to rest a little. also, he could have time to talk to GS while in transit, as you see them doing right before that line is said. they were clearly talking before they got there, so why could they not be talking while they were being teleported? I am sure that they teleported more than once, and that would defenitely give them time to talk about things like what GS would do if he was human.

  • 10.29.2006 11:34 PM PDT

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Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

wow this forum grew didn't it? after reading the books again, i do feel that GS is cracking up. consider the amount of time he has spent on the ring alone, and the fact that his banter in either the game or the book show signs of delerium, i thinks it's a fairly safe conclusion.

and in regards to the whole "reclaimers=humans=forerunners" thing, i personally believe the the title "reclaimer" is a classification, not a race. just because the forerunners may have been bi-peds that walked upright doesn't mean that they were the precursors to the human race.

  • 10.31.2006 5:18 PM PDT
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GS does seem to be cracking up a bit and we've managed to explain most of the quotes except for the "last time u asked me" one.

As for the forerunner human relationship. There has to be a history there.
1) only humans "reclaimers" are able to activate the rings, the covenant can't do it, so humans must be some sort of decendants or a race that is somehow in the past closely linked with the forerunners
2) the "ark" forerunner structure is on earth, on the equator actually, gotta be a link there

A new theory is that possibly the forerunners built the rings and structures but were overwhelmed by the flood and unable to activate them in time or reach the ark. Instead it was the humans who managed to get there and activate the rings.
As such they were classified by guilty spark as reclaimers.
And all the forerunners died.

  • 11.01.2006 10:25 AM PDT

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ummm computers don't crack up the logical expalnation is the forruners were humans who presevered their kind on the ark (earth the planet they made for just such a purpose) and the thing cheif finds in H3 is a planettary defence grid and that mars was also one but it failed and that the prophets want humanity dead so they can rule cause they are whats left of the mars project duh duh duh duh iam a compleate master mind ha hahahahahahahahahaaaaa!

  • 11.01.2006 3:59 PM PDT
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I think that I might be crazy but there is a link between the humans and the forunners, can't anyone see that. Africa some people say thats were humanity started. And the suit that the master chief uses looks like a bio suit so the oricle might of thought he was a new 4runner reclamer.

  • 11.01.2006 5:57 PM PDT
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Any one here think that the thing in halo 3 in earth is a signal that the 343 talks about in the end of halo 2? and that would activate the other rings.

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  • 11.01.2006 6:00 PM PDT
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There's something called the "Edit" button.

You should consider meeting it sometime.

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Posted by: HolySpooF
Any one here think that the thing in halo 3 in earth is a signal that the 343 talks about in the end of halo 2? and that would activate the other rings.


When Halo 2 ended I thought the ship the cheif ended up on might be the ark. Then when I saw the Halo 3 trailer I thought, that must be the ark or one of the biggest guns ever created, same thing I suppose.

Anyway all we know for sure is that its a forerunner structure that is burried just outside of new mombassa, and on the equator. A giant ring anyone?

  • 11.02.2006 10:07 AM PDT

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could the so called reclamers realy be the covenent ? after all we do know that it is considered a holy object in their eyes so they could have forgoten about the ring and evoled to present day form getting their info. from anceint legends.

  • 11.02.2006 1:13 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

while i think it is possible that the humans may have had some past dealings with forerunners i still don't think that they are "related" to eachother by any means. it is more likely to me that GS is malfunctioning and since the MJOLNIR armor resembles something that would pass for forerunner tech. GS is mistaken MC for a forerunner.

another possibility is that before the forerunners died along with all other food of the flood they may have told the monitors of each station that one day others will come to take the place of the forerunners. hence "reclaimers", don't necessarilly need to be forerunners or forerunner related, they just need to fit the bill of what a forerunner was. it isn't hard to believe that there are more bipedal, sntient life-forms out there.

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Posted by: wolfnight
Guilty spark knew Master Cheif b4 the events of halo 1, or someone who wore the MJOLNIR armour. It is the only logical way to explain the transcripts below which are taken from various points in Halo CE levels, namely "two betrayls" and "the maw."

"(pauses) More or less. Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood. (pause) But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?"

"Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?"

"Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed."

"You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating. "

I got these transcripts from http://halo.bungie.org/

Check out the story pages for more ideas.

I'd like to know what people think of this and if anyone has noticed it before. I will also start a thread in the halo 3 section of this sight where people can post ideas on the implications of this for halo 3.
I think that he, GS, meant that he was sure that MS would finish what he had already started to do. After all, all that he had to do was press a button and halo would have started. as for the "last time you asked" line. he could have been talking about another time in between times where you actually play. just because the MC in on a mission does not mean that he would not take time to rest a little. also, he could have time to talk to GS while in transit, as you see them doing right before that line is said. they were clearly talking before they got there, so why could they not be talking while they were being teleported? I am sure that they teleported more than once, and that would defenitely give them time to talk about things like what GS would do if he was human.
(yes, I know that I already posted this.)

[Edited on 11/2/2006]

  • 11.02.2006 7:02 PM PDT
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I've posted a few edits into the first post on the forum, showing some of the general ideas the thread has come up with.

In response to kazong (yes you know u posted it b4) so don't post it again.
Your point about GS talking to MC in mid transit is a good one and its now in the first post as part of the edit. However the phrasing of "Last time u asked me," is wrong for talking about the ring during transit and GS says he has had "considerable time to ponder your query" so we can't just explain it all away with they talked in transit. "But you already know how couldn't you" also implies that GS assumed master cheif knew about the ring's effects and GS did not tell him during transit.

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