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Subject: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE NEEDLER?
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The needler. definetly the most controversial weapon in halo. I myself think it sucks big floppy donkey dick. Yes, it holds twenty rounds. Yes, it can be used to kill elites. but why bother? if your elite killing, pistol owns, and has 132 bullets at max capacity. i believe the needler has 120, but i could be wrong. as far as ammo goes, i have only run out of pistol ammo when playing co op with a friend that isnt to good. screw him, he can pick up the needler, i'll take the pistol and ravage the enemy.

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Master chief moves about half the speed of a needler. that means that incoming needler bullets can be sidestepped. There is absolutly no instance where you should get more than two or three rounds in you if you are avoiding needler fire. The bullets are bright, you cant miss them. Everyone i play with thinks they suck as a serious weapon. however, if you are trying to embarress a good player, the needler is the way to go. If you get killed with a needler, you are pretty much ridiculed the rest of the match.

O, and someone mention something about language, and younger fans. Halo is a Mature rated game. thath means the government would really prefer the game not fall into the hands of anyone younger than 17. If you are at the advised age to play, get over our immature potty mouthing.

  • 05.23.2004 4:28 PM PDT
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Just another voice:

The needler is an absolutely essential weapon. But it's value lies in very specific situations. So I never have it in my hands for very long. I grab it, use it, and then throw it down.

Is there a worse melee weapon? Nothing comes to mind.

  • 05.23.2004 4:30 PM PDT
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I don't use it, unless I am in desperate need.....forget about using the needler on the elites, one charge from the plasma pistol takes their shield out and the rest is histroy.

  • 05.23.2004 4:37 PM PDT
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haha i remember when my friend taught me how to play, he forced me to use the needler until i got good with it. after that he said if i mastered it i could use ne other weapon int he game with ease. he was right

  • 05.23.2004 5:34 PM PDT
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the needler is the worst weapon.. but its not as suckazz as most people say... its real good against a single elite or a group of em without cover. sometimes its the best way to take on a gold elite. like that pesky one on two betrayals guarding that left door under the bigazz bridge

  • 05.23.2004 6:11 PM PDT
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The needler is a great weapon, however it requiers far more skill in using that someone would ever want to attain, it is, however, good for the average player who wants to take someone with them.

  • 05.23.2004 6:33 PM PDT
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needler is by far the best weapon to use...Its my favorite weapon to use...mind not the most useful...but it can be in some situations...like on assault on the control room I use it against the gold elite with a sword or the two elites in the middle...and with truth and reconciliation against the two hunters because its real fun to load them up and have them run through a bunch of covenent exploding and causing death and destruction everywhere...it takes like two full needlers to kill a hunter on legendary though so its not effective to kill them...plasma rifle is the weapon I'm best with

  • 05.23.2004 6:39 PM PDT
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Anewdisease666, you have not played much mp have you. The needler is only good if your opponet can't move or is sniping and can't see you, 20ish needler clips to kill a person with no shields vs. 3 shots with pistol to the head. But needler isn't that bad if you have alot of people to fight or suck at aiming, or are moving and shooting at a sniper at medium range. It's better than the AR.

  • 05.23.2004 6:46 PM PDT
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yea I didn't get the game till christmas I just play it because its fun I've beaten it on legendary though so I'm not a noobie but I don't say I'm a god I say I'm a vetern and not an idiot...

  • 05.23.2004 6:50 PM PDT
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It only takes 15 rounds from a needler to kill in multiplayer with 100% shield 100% health.

It's alot easier to kill someone bouncing around with a needler then with the pistol.

  • 05.23.2004 7:34 PM PDT
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i like the needler. you can get good at it. would have been nice if you could select exactly what guns you wanted in multyplayer. damn fun just to have a needler war. tons of pink shards flying everyware. i sooo hope that bungie lets you put in exactly what weapons you want in a map instead of just a group of certain weapons.



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  • 05.23.2004 9:17 PM PDT
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I think the biggest improvements in the needler for halo 2 has to be speed, ammo count, and explosion timing. In halo the needler fires 20 rounds per clip which travel rather slowly, in addition, by the time the needles get around to exploding the opposing player has probably killed you.
In halo 2, judging by the MP demo, which admittedly isn't set in stone, has needles that travel much faster, (this is only an educated guess by slow-motion examination) fires around 200 rounds per clip, and finally the needles all explode as they hit, not in large bursts which give the opponent time to even your kill count.

[Edited on 5/23/2004 9:38:14 PM]

  • 05.23.2004 9:36 PM PDT
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I'm happy with the needler. It's got all sorts of uses in sp, the chain recation thing being most obvious. In multi against tons of peope I sometimes hang back and just spray em with needles, this way I can steal assists and kills quite effectively. just think about it, they lag a second before causing damage, when you pump a group of people full of them and they lower each other's health/shields drastically, you can effortlessy up your score. this works best on hang em high and prisoner.

  • 05.23.2004 9:48 PM PDT
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In response to no one in general, I don't doubt that there are great tactics that people can come up with in which to use the needler in; but as was already stated, it just isn't an all-purpose weapon such as the pistol or others.

[Edited on 5/23/2004 9:51:47 PM]

  • 05.23.2004 9:50 PM PDT

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i think the needler is excellent, and totally necesary to beat legendary, its not as useful in normal or even heroic but nothing beats elites like a needler in legendary. it is very specialist, as its pretty useless against jackals and hunters but if it was effective then it would rule halo.

its always a secondary weapon to say a pistol or shotgun but its really rocks against elites, one full clip three big booms and dead gold elite.. very satisfying.

its my fave covie weapon, plasma rifle is cack on legendary, plasma pistol aint bad..

  • 05.24.2004 4:24 AM PDT
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Nothing is wrong with the needler, except you need to practice a lot to be any good with it. You're either an absolute god with it or you just plain suck. Most people don't want to put that much effort into practicing with the needler, but I assure you, it's well worth it.

  • 05.24.2004 6:43 AM PDT
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yeah...what he said

  • 05.24.2004 6:59 AM PDT
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the needler is a pretty average weapon to me, ok but theres better. not bad in a tight spot. i think they've changed it so its the covenant equivalent to the SMG. with the odd exceptions the covenant always have their own version of human weapons and they changed the needler to be more SMG like but with that covenant charm

  • 05.24.2004 7:45 AM PDT

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The needler is a great weapon, however it requiers far more skill in using that someone would ever want to attain, it is, however, good for the average player who wants to take someone with them.


I agree, the [color=purple]needler[/color] takes more skill than most would like. [color=white]BUT[/color] i wouldn;t go into combat with it if I had other weapons to choose from.

[Edited on 5/24/2004 7:50:54 AM]

  • 05.24.2004 7:49 AM PDT
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i dont really like the needler....in fact, i hate that thing. its just too annoying having to wait for the shards to blow up...besides im a camping sniper and i dont move too much. so, why evne touch it?? lol- KotT

  • 05.24.2004 7:51 AM PDT
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The needler is great, if you how do use it. On Battle Creek 8 players , it rules. Just choose a target and the needles will lock on, and chances are the person is already fighting someone. As for campaign, just use the pistol and a needler. The needler for elites and grunts, and pistol for the rest. Although if your against the Flood , you are a kamikazee. I wish that BG has needlers . When you're playin CTF, and a person is coming in at medium range switch to the needler fill 'em full of needlerse , retreat back into the base, then you got a dead attacker. And yes I agree, for multi, the needler doesn't compare to the pistol.

  • 05.24.2004 8:01 AM PDT
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i like the needler. there are better weapons (enter Rocket launcher and pistol), but when in my hands, people who are about 2x my skill are even kinda freaked out. i would use it more in SP, but i aways run aout of ammo too fast.

i like how its going to be tweaked in Halo 2. larger clip, faster rounds, it hurts more, and i think i saw something about it having better tracking capabilities. (however, bungie could just be faking us out, and make it even worse than it was in halo 1)

actually what we really need is a way to reload the p. rifle and p. pistol. our top 2552 scientist people need to figure that out.

also, to touch on the rocket launcer briefly, i don't really like the idea of the homing device. i know its limited tracking capabilities, but i don't care. i like having some skill involved whe ntrying t otake out someone in a warthog or ghost or whatever. the homing would be kind nice for anti-air tho.

  • 05.24.2004 8:04 AM PDT

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