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Subject: Spelling and Grammar

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I'm glad I never had a poor spelling phase...

  • 10.24.2006 11:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pezza
Having better grammar inspires a sense of seriousness, intelligence and professionalism. Though we all have to learn that ourselves.

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i will lock myself to the tv for 9 days and only emerge after that for nutrients and whenever my mum will look inside and let lite in, i will hiss like a cat and scurry for the shadows, soon i will become so animalistic that i will bite all thos ethat interupt my game... my precious...


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And that's why I stopped looking at my old posts. The old me would have annoyed me. :/

  • 10.24.2006 11:59 PM PDT

Meh...this is the interwebs. If it were enforced we wouldn't get to use words like 'teh' and have number words and letters like 1337 and Teh 7ru7h. I believe we should save the spelling crackdowns for grammar class and vocabulary. True, less errors make you look more intelligent and maybe even sophisticated to some extent, IMO. I don't think there needs to be a rule for it posted somewhere. I believe it may fall under the 'common sense' clause.

  • 10.25.2006 12:34 AM PDT

No, no, no, no.

You know, English isn't the first language of every member here. Please remember that prior to flaming somebody for improper grammar/spelling.

  • 10.25.2006 3:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: dmbfan09
Please remember that prior to flaming somebody for improper grammar/spelling.


That is another reason why I am suggesting this. This might also keep members from making those comments about bad grammar as much. Instead, they could PM a moderator to make a comment if it really is that bad.

I will say it again, I am only talking about incoherent first posts . I don't care if there are a couple of errors, I am talking about the posts that have every other word misspelled horribly and absolutely no paragraphs or punctuation (paragraphs are not as important). I have seen an increase in these types of posts and topics lately that are hard to understand, so if there were actually consequences, like the thread being locked, I think members would be more careful with what they type. Interntet slang excluded.

  • 10.25.2006 3:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: roman arrow12
Posted by: Twinkie
I'm going to force you to wear a black shirt instead of a green one because black is easier to look at. Many people don't use correct grammar, but they are still understandable. I'll admit that people who use correct spelling and grammar in their posts are easier to understand, but this is not worthy of making a "good grammar" rule.


I am not saying that it shouls be against the rules to make a few errors. I have seen many posts that are almost not understandable. I should bot have to stare at my screen for five minutes trying to decipher the words put on by someone too lazy to type correctly.

Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
Perhaps give out warnings. Blacklisting seems a bit harsh, but I'd like to see some what of a rule like the one you've suggested.


I agree. Blacklistings would be excessive, but i don't know what else could be used as a consequence besides warnings.

Blacklisted.
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Posted by: dmbfan09
Please remember that prior to flaming somebody for improper grammar/spelling.


That is another reason why I am suggesting this. This might also keep members from making those comments about bad grammar as much. Instead, they could PM a moderator to make a comment if it really is that bad.

I will say it again, I am only talking about incoherent first posts . I don't care if there are a couple of errors, I am talking about the posts that have every other word misspelled horribly and absolutely no paragraphs or punctuation (paragraphs are not as important). I have seen an increase in these types of posts and topics lately that are hard to understand, so if there were actually consequences, like the thread being locked, I think members would be more careful with what they type. Interntet slang excluded.

Did you even read dmbfan's post? English is not everyone's first language. Imagine that you're from, say, France. You come one here and write a post up in somewhat broken English. Next thing you know, you have thirty forum cops telling you that your grammar is too bad and you're going to get blacklisted. Sure enough, five minutes later, you are. For what: being from France?

[Edited on 10/25/2006]

  • 10.25.2006 3:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: roman arrow12
(paragraphs are not as important).

I would disagree. I think that if you're confronted with a huge slab of text, it's very hard to be able to decipher what's being said, no matter how good their grammar is. <New paragraph> On the subject of foreigners posting on this site, I have to agree that it would be unfair to impose any grammatical rules as I would imagine it's hard enough for them already having to post in a language that isn't their "mother tongue". Also, I think we have enough of an English aura already. People aren't allowed to post in other languages, and if they [everyone] are forced to attempt to post in clear, coherent English, it'll only be more intimidating for those who can't speak it fluently. <New paragraph> So I guess (as much as I'd like it to be enforced) I'll have to agree with the "no" crowd with this one; I don't think it could be implemented fairly.

^ It's your call as to whether or not that block of text was hard to read. ;)

  • 10.25.2006 4:05 AM PDT
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Here's an Idea. Put a thread at the top of the Septagon saying "How to become a moderator". I'm sure a whole bunch of new members will go there to see how they can become moderators.

The post is like this:

-Use proper spelling!

-Follow the rules!

...and so on.
Then as if to scare them "We can check your past! Break them once and they are broken forever!" Perhaps thunder claps for each of the moderator's commandments.

  • 10.25.2006 4:16 AM PDT
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Please quote him where he said that a block of text was not hard to read, since I'm at a lost where you picked that up from; for I can see no logical explanation why you would ask that question.

Posted by: l iam117 l
^ It's your call as to whether or not that block of text was hard to read. ;)

  • 10.25.2006 8:09 AM PDT

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I believe that many people, even if they're learning English as a second language, shouldn't spell:

What as wut or wat.

It's never been spelled that way, ever. It's one of the first words we all learn to spell in Kindergarten, and if we're a foreign speaker, then there's more reason for error, but even then, it's a very basic and simple word. The above spelling is just plain lazy, and completely avoidable.

There's no reason they can't at least try to make it appropriately spelled. I know that most of the poorly spelled posts are from people that have this impression that they can be lazy on the internet, but honestly, it really is hard to understand them sometimes. I think if they want to communicate with everyone else, they'd best start putting that 3rd grade English class to better use.

Sure, if they're learning English as a second language, then it makes more sense for them to be using improper grammar and spelling, but I really don't think that's the case for almost 98% of the 'bad' spelling posters on here.

I sometimes wonder if the internet is engineering a lazy generation of kids...

[Edited on 10/25/2006]

  • 10.25.2006 9:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: roman arrow12
Posted by: Twinkie
I'm going to force you to wear a black shirt instead of a green one because black is easier to look at. Many people don't use correct grammar, but they are still understandable. I'll admit that people who use correct spelling and grammar in their posts are easier to understand, but this is not worthy of making a "good grammar" rule.


I am not saying that it shouls be against the rules to make a few errors. I have seen many posts that are almost not understandable. I should bot have to stare at my screen for five minutes trying to decipher the words put on by someone too lazy to type correctly.

Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
Perhaps give out warnings. Blacklisting seems a bit harsh, but I'd like to see some what of a rule like the one you've suggested.


I agree. Blacklistings would be excessive, but i don't know what else could be used as a consequence besides warnings.

Blacklisted.
Posted by: roman arrow12
Posted by: dmbfan09
Please remember that prior to flaming somebody for improper grammar/spelling.


That is another reason why I am suggesting this. This might also keep members from making those comments about bad grammar as much. Instead, they could PM a moderator to make a comment if it really is that bad.

I will say it again, I am only talking about incoherent first posts . I don't care if there are a couple of errors, I am talking about the posts that have every other word misspelled horribly and absolutely no paragraphs or punctuation (paragraphs are not as important). I have seen an increase in these types of posts and topics lately that are hard to understand, so if there were actually consequences, like the thread being locked, I think members would be more careful with what they type. Interntet slang excluded.

Did you even read dmbfan's post? English is not everyone's first language. Imagine that you're from, say, France. You come one here and write a post up in somewhat broken English. Next thing you know, you have thirty forum cops telling you that your grammar is too bad and you're going to get blacklisted. Sure enough, five minutes later, you are. For what: being from France?


Maybe you should read my post. I don't care if anyone makes under ten mistakes in a post. I'm talking about posts that are impossible to read because there are so many errors. I also now realize about English as a second language. But there is still spell check, ect for things like that. That is why I am saying this should only pertain to those Original posts that are unreadable.

  • 10.25.2006 1:21 PM PDT

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Moderators shouldn't have to enforce grammar or spelling. It isn't there job, it is your job to do the best that you can when on these forums. However I understand that there are people who are here, whether native English speakers or not, who can't type as well as some of us. And that is fine with me because I can understand them most of the time. It is the people who choose to misspell words and use "leet" speak. That is where I believe some kind of moderation or warning bell should come in.

  • 10.25.2006 1:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
That is where I believe some kind of moderation or warning bell should come in.


How about a warning rocket launcher? They're louder, and way cooler.

Bells are for schoolgirls and cattle..
I suppose Leche could use a warning bell. He fills both categories, does he not?

[Edited on 10/25/2006]

  • 10.25.2006 1:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sketto
Please quote him where he said that a block of text was not hard to read, since I'm at a lost where you picked that up from; for I can see no logical explanation why you would ask that question.

Posted by: l iam117 l
^ It's your call as to whether or not that block of text was hard to read. ;)

Pardon?

He said that paragraphing wasn't that important, so I make a post with a huge block of text in an attempt to show that paragraphing is very useful for breaking up such blocks of text. I even quoted where he said it...

I don't know what you're saying...

  • 10.25.2006 1:31 PM PDT

"I pledge to punch all switches, to never shoot where I could use grenades, to admit the existence of no level except Total Carnage, to never use caps lock as my "run" key, and to never, ever, leave a single BoB alive."

2B || !2B - Why don't you look Inside the Machine?

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
That is where I believe some kind of moderation or warning bell should come in.


How about a warning rocket launcher? They're louder, and way cooler.

Bells are for schoolgirls and cattle..
I suppose Leche could use a warning bell. He fills both categories, does he not?


Silly goose, you know Leche isn't a cow rather it comes from cows *gawsh*

Yes, I think a Rocket Launcher would do just fine too.

  • 10.25.2006 1:31 PM PDT

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Leche came from a cow?

My point is now proven.

Anyway, to further 117's point, let me demonstrate.
Instead of earlier posting:I believe that many people, even if they're learning English as a second language, shouldn't spell:

What as wut or wat.

It's never been spelled that way, ever. It's one of the first words we all learn to spell in Kindergarten, and if we're a foreign speaker, then there's more reason for error, but even then, it's a very basic and simple word. The above spelling is just plain lazy, and completely avoidable.

There's no reason they can't at least try to make it appropriately spelled. I know that most of the poorly spelled posts are from people that have this impression that they can be lazy on the internet, but honestly, it really is hard to understand them sometimes. I think if they want to communicate with everyone else, they'd best start putting that 3rd grade English class to better use.

Sure, if they're learning English as a second language, then it makes more sense for them to be using improper grammar and spelling, but I really don't think that's the case for almost 98% of the 'bad' spelling posters on here.

I sometimes wonder if the internet is engineering a lazy generation of kids...


.. What if I posted it like this?:
I believe that many people, even if they're learning English as a second language, shouldn't spell: What as wut or wat. It's never been spelled that way, ever. It's one of the first words we all learn to spell in Kindergarten, and if we're a foreign speaker, then there's more reason for error, but even then, it's a very basic and simple word. The above spelling is just plain lazy, and completely avoidable. There's no reason they can't at least try to make it appropriately spelled. I know that most of the poorly spelled posts are from people that have this impression that they can be lazy on the internet, but honestly, it really is hard to understand them sometimes. I think if they want to communicate with everyone else, they'd best start putting that 3rd grade English class to better use. Sure, if they're learning English as a second language, then it makes more sense for them to be using improper grammar and spelling, but I really don't think that's the case for almost 98% of the 'bad' spelling posters on here. I sometimes wonder if the internet is engineering a lazy generation of kids...

You be the judge. I find the latter incredibly difficult to wade through. It's just less appealing.

[Edited on 10/25/2006]

  • 10.25.2006 1:34 PM PDT
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Where did you get "Not as important" to mean a post with no paragraphs is easy to read?

He, rightfully so, puts more emphasis on spelling rather then on paragraph structure. It doesn't mean that he thinks 1 paragraph is easy to read, but if that one paragraph has proper spelling and grammar then it's not on the same level as paragraphs that are poorly spelled, and have bad grammar.


Posted by: l iam117 l
Pardon?

He said that paragraphing wasn't that important, so I make a post with a huge block of text in an attempt to show that paragraphing is very useful for breaking up such blocks of text. I even quoted where he said it...

I don't know what you're saying...

  • 10.25.2006 1:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sketto
Where did you get "Not as important" to mean a post with no paragraphs is easy to read?

He, rightfully so, puts more emphasis on spelling rather then on paragraph structure. It doesn't mean that he thinks 1 paragraph is easy to read, but if that one paragraph has proper spelling and grammar then it's not on the same level as paragraphs that are poorly spelled, and have bad grammar.


Posted by: l iam117 l
Pardon?

He said that paragraphing wasn't that important, so I make a post with a huge block of text in an attempt to show that paragraphing is very useful for breaking up such blocks of text. I even quoted where he said it...

I don't know what you're saying...

I didn't say it was the most important thing, but I was saying that it's still essentially as useful as spelling. I'd rather be able to distinguish when one point is over and they're making a new point than reading some menagerie of points which are all legible.

  • 10.25.2006 1:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sketto
Where did you get "Not as important" to mean a post with no paragraphs is easy to read?

He, rightfully so, puts more emphasis on spelling rather then on paragraph structure. It doesn't mean that he thinks 1 paragraph is easy to read, but if that one paragraph has proper spelling and grammar then it's not on the same level as paragraphs that are poorly spelled, and have bad grammar.


Posted by: l iam117 l
Pardon?

He said that paragraphing wasn't that important, so I make a post with a huge block of text in an attempt to show that paragraphing is very useful for breaking up such blocks of text. I even quoted where he said it...

I don't know what you're saying...


Stop picking apart his posts for formatting.

It's annoying, and servers no purpose whatsoever.

[Edited on 10/25/2006]

  • 10.25.2006 1:51 PM PDT
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Yes Paragraphing is important, but would you rather have paragraphs with poorly spelled words and horrible grammar, or a perfect post of text that is 3 paragraphs but formated into a block of text.

In this case it's just a minor inconvenience to have no paragraphs, and I wouldn't even bother with the post that has bad grammar.

I still don't get how you jumped to that conclusion that if someone thinks that paragraphs are not as important as spelling that automatically means they think that block's of texts are easy to read.

Posted by: l iam117 l
I didn't say it was the most important thing, but I was saying that it's still essentially as useful as spelling. I'd rather be able to distinguish when one point is over and they're making a new point than reading some menagerie of points which are all legible.


[Edited on 10/25/2006]

  • 10.25.2006 1:57 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

Posted by: SS_Zag1
I believe that many people, even if they're learning English as a second language, shouldn't spell:

What as wut or wat.

It's never been spelled that way, ever. It's one of the first words we all learn to spell in Kindergarten, and if we're a foreign speaker, then there's more reason for error, but even then, it's a very basic and simple word. The above spelling is just plain lazy, and completely avoidable.

There's no reason they can't at least try to make it appropriately spelled. I know that most of the poorly spelled posts are from people that have this impression that they can be lazy on the internet, but honestly, it really is hard to understand them sometimes. I think if they want to communicate with everyone else, they'd best start putting that 3rd grade English class to better use.

Sure, if they're learning English as a second language, then it makes more sense for them to be using improper grammar and spelling, but I really don't think that's the case for almost 98% of the 'bad' spelling posters on here.

I sometimes wonder if the internet is engineering a lazy generation of kids...

You're right. There is not reason for a foreigner to say "wut". But there are plenty of ways to make an incoherant paragraph without using the slang word "wut". Point is, if you don't like the way somebody posts on the forum it's your own problem. If I want people to view me as some lazy teenager who doens't have the decency to spell "what" correctly, so be it.

Not only that, but the majority of the people who use this forum are lazy teenagers! If a great percentage of them could care less, why should you, the extreme minority, make a rule to change that? If you're the minority by a long shot here, doesn't it only make sense that you should change for them?

Sometimes I wonder if I'm being ruled by a generation of chronic control freaks...

[Edited on 10/25/2006]

  • 10.25.2006 2:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sketto
In this case it's just a minor inconvenience to have no paragraphs, and I wouldn't even bother with the post that has bad grammar.

That's your opinion.

Posted by: Sketto
Yes Paragraphing is important, but would you rather have paragraphs with poorly spelled words and horrible grammar, or a perfect post of text that is 3 paragraphs but formated into a block of text.

Yes, I'd rather have paragraphing. Now please, get off me.

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ther are sum peeple dat cant or dont no how to spel the rite wai and it wood not be fare for thos 2 hav to accomodate every1 else so u shud just lern 2 reed loser


From the moment I began reading the first post, I knew this was coming.

  • 10.25.2006 2:03 PM PDT
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Um ok if you think that trying to see what your opinion is, is "getting on you" then i will "get off you" mkay?

Posted by: l iam117 l
Yes, I'd rather have paragraphing. Now please, get off me.

  • 10.25.2006 2:05 PM PDT

He watches every Hodgetwin video they put up...on ALL their channels. He calls them the Hodge Triplets, and considers himself the 3rd triplet. He's started talking and acting like them now. Every other line out of his mouth "Thaaas some BULLLLLL**** maaayne" or "Gotta make dem gainzzzz". He calls his biceps "gains". When he eats post-workout, he talks to his biceps, "Don't worry gains, I'm feeding you. Daddys gonna feed you, gainz *kisses biceps*".

The way I look at it, there can be very "mature" posters that don't use proper grammar but still are good folks. A 10 year old paid 50 dollars for Halo 2 just like I did... why wouldn't he have the right to come on here and speak in his own fashion, as long as what he's saying isn't breaking the rules?

That's the thing, folks: you need to look past the bad grammar and see what they're actually saying. Yes, I like to use proper grammar, but it's a personal preference, really...

(Damn, I think I had to fix more spelling mistakes in this post than I've ever made in any post in my whole two years here at B.net... LOL!)

  • 10.25.2006 2:08 PM PDT

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