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Subject: The forerunner became too smart
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I have a theory: Evolution only keeps going when theres competition, when theres an enemy to bang heads with/kill/eat/become better than. If/when a race reaches a point where it no longer is threatened by anything other than itself, it will naturally implode and die. Yes. Die. But in order for a race to reach this point, it has got to be insanely well-developed and ultra-smart, something the Forerunner were. Cause lets face it, they made big rings in space that have the power to destroy big parts of the universe.
Brings me to the flood: The description of the multiplayer map "Warlock" says that this most likely was some sort of forerunner "Arena", that this was a place where battles and fights took place while other watched. (I'm partly guessing this)
Think about it: The Forerunners have discovered everything undiscoverable, done everything one can do with limitless power and knowledge, and basically turned every stone in the universe. Now, boredom is the worst enemy of this great civilization, that and the fact that there is nothing else to discover, reach for, or work with. So they invent a super organism specifically designed for fun and recreation, an "enemy" this super-civilization can kill and have fun with. But of course this goes wrong. The virus becomes too powerful, too resistant to any weapon. So now they have to escape their own creation, creating super-mega weapons that wipe out parts of the galaxy. They create an ark, blah-blah. The uber civilization of the forerunner is lost, killed by their own genious.

All that, OR the forerunner realized that there was no point in living and staying alive when there was nothing left to do/invent/whatever. So they make giant rings as a tribute to the holy dance of eternity, (Life and death, summer-easter-winter-spring thing) and kill themselves with it. They have reached such a high level of intellect and understanding that they no longer fear death, no, they actually embrace it, for it is all part of life, of nature. In the books, in the games you see it; the covenant ships use slipspace "engines" that instead of tears a hole in space, "unlocks" it. In the rock the spartans find in the fall of reach, cortana sees an "artistic" mathematical pattern. It's everywhere, the Forerunner knew nature so well they no longer had to use a hammer to beat the nail into the plank, they just had to think it.

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  • 11.05.2006 4:53 PM PDT

hmmm....makes sense...somewhat....

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however IF the creation were to be some sort of virus that overran and infected the forerunners, how come we dont see forerunner flood? The only way it is to spread is from a living organism to another, aka forerunners. And we only see covenant and human flood years and years and years after what you say the "forerunners creation" was made. There would be still forerunner flood wouldnt there? Oh but but but afta there were no more forerunner to infect, when the forerunners became extinct, the covenant came along and the forerunner flood infected them and then...the humans came along and the covenant flood infected them? hmmmmm

  • 11.06.2006 5:32 AM PDT

So an AvP scenario? The Forerunner don't seem the type, but it's an interesting idea.

  • 11.06.2006 6:10 AM PDT
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however IF the creation were to be some sort of virus that overran and infected the forerunners, how come we dont see forerunner flood? The only way it is to spread is from a living organism to another, aka forerunners. And we only see covenant and human flood years and years and years after what you say the "forerunners creation" was made. There would be still forerunner flood wouldnt there? Oh but but but afta there were no more forerunner to infect, when the forerunners became extinct, the covenant came along and the forerunner flood infected them and then...the humans came along and the covenant flood infected them? hmmmmm


The remaining non-infected forerunners would set off the halos, killing themselves, the floods food, basically everything organic large enough to support a flood host. Also, the reason that we only see human, covenant and "infection forms" in the games and the books is simply that (again, assuming) the covenant dug too deep into the secrets of halo (literally) and found the library, in which the flood is contained. The virus naturally attacks these new pieces of meat, and with them attacks others.

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  • 11.06.2006 9:15 AM PDT
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AND, who's to say that we don't see forerunner flood? Maybe they weren't ideal subjects for the flood to turn them into combat or carrier form, but they could be in other things like brain flood or even part of the the Gravemind. That could also help explain why the Gravemind knows so much. There is a lot to ponder, and we'll probably never know everything, but we'll figure a lot things out at least.

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hmmm yes but then why did they create the Halos? Cortana states in "two betryals" that it kills it food when the ring is activated. If the forerunners made the flood..why would they want to keep them alive. They could be the protectors of the Halo?

  • 11.07.2006 2:55 AM PDT
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nvm


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  • 11.07.2006 8:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: Luigiguy
AND, who's to say that we don't see forerunner flood? Maybe they weren't ideal subjects for the flood to turn them into combat or carrier form, but they could be in other things like brain flood or even part of the the Gravemind. That could also help explain why the Gravemind knows so much. There is a lot to ponder, and we'll probably never know everything, but we'll figure a lot things out at least.


I've come over a few theories about this, and some suggest that the Gravemind actually IS a forerunner, flood style.

Another goes on about how forerunners eventually became nothing more but thoughts, that they reached such a high level of intellect and technology that they no longer needed physical bodies to support the mind.

As you say, we can only speculate :p

  • 11.07.2006 8:16 AM PDT
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beutiful.

  • 11.07.2006 4:21 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

sorry, i read the first line and couldn't read the rest of the post before i said this. evolution also takes place because of environment. opposition come from the environment just as much as as actual entity to "butt heads with" i.e. humans are not as large or solidly built as they once were (cromag) because living conditions got to be easier and easier over hundreds of years.

  • 11.07.2006 4:28 PM PDT