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Subject: Link between Marathon and Halo storylines?
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I have some new info that may help with some sort of connection. Time Dilation.

We are currently covering the topic in physics... travel at the speed of light and it's effects.

Using the Lorenz-Fitzgerald Contraction Factor when traveling at ultra high speed, time becomes different for the one travelling as compared to the outside world. eg, a trip at 50% of the speed of light may seem to you to only take 30 minutes when it takes a few days outside.

Further more, using the equation for such high speed time shift it is possible to find another interesting fact.

Time experienced= Time outside / square root of (1-(Velocity squared/speed of light squared))
Using this you can calculate the time differences between pilot and outside, but if you are travelling at the speed of light, the equation does magical things... it becomes Time outside divided by 0, which makes the answer infinite.

You may be wondering what this means, so I'll tell you... this means that you can techincally travel to any point in the galaxy, taking several years outside time but only taking a few minutes or seconds inside the ship.

The equation for space is near identicle to the one for time, making an object moving at the speed of light capable of travelling an infinite distance in no time at all.

So if a ship such as the Marathon were to be moving at even just the speed of light, it is possible for there to be a gap of only a few years according to them when an infinitely larger time period has passed outside. This allows for a great deal to have happened during the Marathon's voyage, such that all of the events in Halo may have already come to pass.

Well that's as far as I've been able to work it so far... but I'm hoping you guys can do more...

Oh I hope it made sense too

Tristan ;-)

  • 10.27.2004 4:58 AM PDT
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A few things that you left out of the W'rkncacnter terminal quote eMCee, or maybe it is a different terminal, that hurts the flood = chaos thing. First thing is that the W'rkncacnter have been around since the creation of the galaxy. Secondly is that Legends of the W'rkncacnter had survived from the time of the Jjaro. Flood seems more destructive than a creation of disorder.

And here is the terminal quote:

The S'pht'Kr will arrive momentarily, with all of their vengeance, and the Pfhor will soon be pressed to use the trih xeem. S'bhuth knows only legends about the W'rkncacnter, imprisoned in Lh'owon's sun. If the Pfhor are allowed to use the trih xeem, the W'rkncacnter will escape from its gravity prison.

According to the legends of a thousand worlds only a few of which are still habitable, the W'rkncacnter are those things that live in chaos, creating it around them. At the beginning of the universe, they were unmistakable in their entities, but as time has gone by, their existence has become difficult to detect among the chaotic elements of the universe, hidden in stars, trapped in storms, forever looking along the event horizons of black holes. Setting one free in ordered space is difficult and insane.

Of course the Pfhor are oblivious to what they're about to do, even Tfear would be loath to release something so destructive that its mythos has survived throughout the galaxy for over sixty million years.

To stop the Pfhor from their folly and our demise, you must activate the ancient station that Yrro used eons ago to trap the W'rkncacnter. If we can activate it in time, it will crush the Pfhor fleet before we're all destroyed.

  • 10.27.2004 5:26 AM PDT
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Oh... I was ignored again...

Tristan ;-)

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Interesting point - though durandal does return to earth one more time...

It was ten thousand years before fate brought Durandal once again into contact with man.

The Pfhor were but a dim memory then, known only to a few historians and students of Earth's second colonial period. The S'pht had been nearly forgotten as well, and no man had seen a living specimen of their race since the sacking of the Pfhor system by the combined fleets of Earth and the S'pht'Kr in 2881 AD.

When Durandal returned to Sol it was not with the captured Khfiva but in a Jjaro dreadnought he called Manus Celer Dei. What he learned of the Jjaro he told no one, saying only that he had stopped by to assure that Earth did not forget him. Nor will it soon, the way he tied the Guard in knots around Pluto before folding directly into a low-Earth orbit.

  • 10.27.2004 5:36 AM PDT

Posted by: Gaara of Sand
As for the SO and the MC being the same person... I say thats stupid... the SO was far cooler, he wouldn't take a backwards step ;-)

Tristan ;-)


Backwards? I think not. Remember that Halo takes place in the "Century intentionally left blank" in the Marathon timeline. ie before Marathon. The Hero entity took a forwards step, if anything.

Of course the timelines are not linked as such, so such speculation is pointless.

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  • 10.27.2004 6:20 AM PDT
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Here is the Marathon timeline off http://marathon.bungie.org/story

2194- War between Icarus and Thermopylae.
2395- Purchase of Deimos from Free holders by UESG
2402- Doors Manual written up
2405- Marathon project begins pre-construction phase
2408- Deimos Conversion begins
2442- Misriah Massacre at food Riot
2465- Martians place munitions on Marathon
2466- Failed Martian Coup, MIDA controls government for short period.
2472- Launch of Marathon
2773- Marathon arrives at Tau Ceti
2787- Colony established
2794- Marathon attacked

The Marathon did not have light speed travel, or anything really close to it. Thats why all the passengers had to be cryogenically frozen for the duration of the travel... so to the passengers, it took the blink of an eye and the physical time it took is unchanged. Didn't reply to your post Gaara because I'm not exactly sure what your trying to say.

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Gaara, you forget that the marathon did not posess FTL travel.

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um... reveal thread?

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I may be mistaken, but I believe that Garra is suggesting (correct me if I am wrong) that during the Marathon's journey, it may have approached (for at least a portion) some relativistic velocities. That would have meant that the Marathon experienced less percieved travel time than time as it passed on (for example) the Earth.

Many months ago, I brought that up as one of the tools that I used to try to get the dots to align in the timelines, but even the idea of Marathon experiencing time-dilation, couldn't make the numbers work (for me).

Ah maybe not for the marathon, but how about for durandal? Remember that he charted tens of thousands of stars or somen... 17 years isn't long to do all that now is it? well what if the 17 years passed on durandal's ship, while the passage of time outside was much greater? it could happen, and would in fact explain a great many things.

  • 10.27.2004 1:43 PM PDT
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Given how smart Durandal was and that we know about time travel distortion, Durandal should have been able to calculate this himself and keep a correct log of the time.

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I'm thinking we're starting to seriously overreach here...

[Edited on 10/27/2004 2:29:15 PM]

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Posted by: Kahnb
First off, apologies if this is a repeat of an old question. I haven't found it covered in my (admittedly limited) scan of the forum, so...

At one time I read about a link between the Marathon and Halo storylines, as hinted at by the appearance of the Marathon logo on the bridge of Halo's Pillar of Autumn and its Captain's chest insignia.

Beyond that, though, I haven't seen or read anything. Has there been anything else?


The Marathon logo shows up enough to almost be considered consistent. Aside from appearing on the side of the Pillar of Autumn and on Captain Keyes Uniform, it also shows up in the shape of the Control Room, and in the Halo logo itself. Look closely at the center of the Halo logo and you'll see it.

As for the connection between storylines: originally the Halo and Marathon storylines were supposed to cross and take place in the same universe. There is a huge gap in the Marathin story that Bungie was going to fill in with Halo. As the game developed though, it kind of branched out into its own thing, but they still are very similar. In Marathon, the governmental body is the U.E.S.C., and in Halo it's the U.N.S.C. They have the same logo (which explains why it appears on Keyes' unifrom and on the side of the Pillar of Autumn. Even the characters you play as while in the game are very similar. In Marathon, you play as a security officer who wears MJOLNIR Mark IV armor (at least, I think that's what it is). In Halo, the Master Chief wears MJOLNIR Mark V, and for halo 2 gets upgraded to Mark VI. Some weapons for the two games are similar in several ways too. For example, the fusion pistol in Marathon works almost identically to the plasma pistol in Halo, and the rocket launchers in both games have the SPNKR designation and fire two rcokets before needing to be reloaded.

By the time Halo was released, Bungie pretty much insisted that it existed in its own universe separate from Marathon, but the two worlds are so similar that its very obvious that they both evolved from the same basic ideas.

I hope that helps to clear up some confustion, and if any other Bungie zealots who know more about this than I do can help to suppliment (or correct) some of my information, that would be great.

  • 10.27.2004 2:29 PM PDT
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Okay, I've heard some odd stuff about the SO travelling back in time in M:I. What was that about? That could explain a bit. BTW, I do not believe the SO is MC.

  • 10.28.2004 4:01 AM PDT

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