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Subject: Does it seem like the mods are becoming too... Leniant?
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Personally, I feel they do their thing based on their own discretion.

Some may tell a user to stop, while others will just go ahead and ban. It depends on who you're dealing with.

But that just proves that they're human too. I can only imagine sometimes they may have to ban someone that they don't want to, but have too because it's standard procedure.

But I feel they're doing it effectively. Sometimes there are a few posts that I think deserves some punishment, but most of the time that's because it may not have been noticed.

Take this thread for example. Now I know the Septagon isn't the place to be reporting stuff, but I'm thinking to myself "Why is this not gone after 6 pages?"

Either it was seen and there's some loophole in the Rules that I missed, or it wasn't noticed. Who knows?

[Edited on 11/6/2006]

  • 11.06.2006 9:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: duffman6969
If they did it would show that they are having less tolerance for spam, so yes, as long as this made moderators have less tolerance for spam, that would make me happy. Although I do not want moderators to lock this because of it being slightly "flamitory" and leave the rest of the off topic posts up. I am trying to make a point.


So you're basically asking that threads like the one you linked to earlier be locked. Well...they are. The problem is that A) the mods aren't always on, or B) there are more important things to moderate, like flaming.

In the end, a discussion about fixing a microphone in New Mombasa are much better than links to a shock site in the Maw.

  • 11.06.2006 9:08 PM PDT
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Personally, I feel they do their thing based on their own discretion.

Some may tell a user to stop, while others will just go ahead and ban. It depends on who you're dealing with.

But that just proves that they're human too. I can only imagine sometimes they may have to ban someone that they don't want to, but have too because it's standard procedure.

But I feel they're doing it effectively. Sometimes there are a few posts that I think deserves some punishment, but most of the time that's because it may not have been noticed.

Take this thread for example. Now I know the Septagon isn't the place to be reporting stuff, but I'm thinking to myself "Why is this not gone after 6 pages?"

Either it was seen and there's some loophole in the Rules that I missed, or it wasn't noticed. Who knows?

I agree with you 100%. Its almost like the members have to tell them what is starting to get offensive and what is not. I hate how some mods will give warnings while others will ban without question. I guess they have a right since they were chosen, but it seems like the mods pick their favorites and their least favorites. I really can't believe that thread has not gotten locked yet.

  • 11.06.2006 9:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Personally, I feel they do their thing based on their own discretion.

Some may tell a user to stop, while others will just go ahead and ban. It depends on who you're dealing with.

But that just proves that they're human too. I can only imagine sometimes they may have to ban someone that they don't want to, but have too because it's standard procedure.

But I feel they're doing it effectively. Sometimes there are a few posts that I think deserves some punishment, but most of the time that's because it may not have been noticed.

Take this thread for example. Now I know the Septagon isn't the place to be reporting stuff, but I'm thinking to myself "Why is this not gone after 6 pages?"

Either it was seen and there's some loophole in the Rules that I missed, or it wasn't noticed. Who knows?

I agree with you 100%. Its almost like the members have to tell them what is starting to get offensive and what is not. I hate how some mods will give warnings while others will ban without question. I guess they have a right since they were chosen, but it seems like the mods pick their favorites and their least favorites. I really can't believe that thread has not gotten locked yet.


I think it just got deleted. Thanks guys.

But yeah, I guess that was a situtation where it wasn't seen. But there are still some grey areas that may leave some members confused about how to moderate efficiently.

Sometimes I get the feeling that some mods pick and choose as well. Or at least, if you're going to say a blacklist is your warning, make it as such and ban everyone who has an infraction. Otherwise, it looks like you're playing favorites.

Or, give a warning and on the second offense a blacklist. But there are some situations where it seems like someone may be unfairly punished, when there are other members out there doing things far worse. And when they aren't banned it seems like they just got a slap on the wrist, even when it's not the case (at least it rarely is ever.)

Guess that comes with them being human as well. But for what it's worth, you guys are doing a well enough job.

[Edited on 11/6/2006]

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N

Take this thread for example.Take this thread




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  • 11.06.2006 9:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: duffman6969
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N

Take this thread for example.Take this thread




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Right, in that case it just got deleted.

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
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Personally, I feel they do their thing based on their own discretion.

Some may tell a user to stop, while others will just go ahead and ban. It depends on who you're dealing with.

But that just proves that they're human too. I can only imagine sometimes they may have to ban someone that they don't want to, but have too because it's standard procedure.

But I feel they're doing it effectively. Sometimes there are a few posts that I think deserves some punishment, but most of the time that's because it may not have been noticed.

Take this thread for example. Now I know the Septagon isn't the place to be reporting stuff, but I'm thinking to myself "Why is this not gone after 6 pages?"

Either it was seen and there's some loophole in the Rules that I missed, or it wasn't noticed. Who knows?

I agree with you 100%. Its almost like the members have to tell them what is starting to get offensive and what is not. I hate how some mods will give warnings while others will ban without question. I guess they have a right since they were chosen, but it seems like the mods pick their favorites and their least favorites. I really can't believe that thread has not gotten locked yet.


I think it just got deleted. Thanks guys.

But yeah, I guess that was a situtation where it wasn't seen. But there are still some grey areas that may leave some members confused about how to moderate efficiently.

Sometimes I get the feeling that some mods pick and choose as well. Or at least, if you're going to say a blacklist is your warning, make it as such and ban everyone who has an infraction. Otherwise, it looks like you're playing favorites.

Or, give a warning and on the second offense a blacklist. But there are some situations where it seems like someone may be unfairly punished, when there are other members out there doing things far worse. And when they aren't banned it seems like they just got a slap on the wrist, even when it's not the case (at least it rarely is ever.)

Guess that comes with them being human as well. But for what it's worth, you guys are doing a well enough job.

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  • 11.06.2006 9:39 PM PDT
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My main problem is that I am still new and have trouble disassosiating myself from the spammers, trolls and people needing a blacklist. I empathise too strongly with them and reconsider my actions.

I'm sure I will become bitter and callous over time.

Most of the time now, though, I just ban malicious users and lock bad threads when I see them. I don't actually explicitly target and hunt out rule breakers, one of the byproducts of browsing the forum like any regular member. Visiting threads I think are interesting or warrant an inspection.

Then I actually act if I find something in those threads worth moderatorising.

  • 11.06.2006 10:16 PM PDT

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  • 11.06.2006 10:27 PM PDT

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It's just a bloody forum!


You have no imagination.


No, I just have a little thing called "logic."


And I have a little thing called "a sense of humor". I was joking.


Ah. The thing is, I don't exactly got one of those. (Not joking.)


Yeah, I noticed.

  • 11.06.2006 10:29 PM PDT
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Don't sell yourself short, Pez, you're plenty bitter ;) You just need time to properly age like Shishka has!

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All Pez needs to do is get drunk and start banning random people. People will then fear the mod that reminds everyone of pizza.

  • 11.06.2006 11:02 PM PDT
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Because there is no set response for a set action on the forums, we use our own discretion. Thus, sometimes things that one moderator might ban for goes with a warning instead. In terms of off topic posts, we allow a certain degree of informality because frankly, if EVERY topic that was a little off topic was locked, then we'd have people complaining we were too strict.

Example: You said topics about people's mics not working shouldn't belong in New Mombasa. Maybe they should, because people are talking about how they're trying to play Halo 2? And there's no set "xBox help" forum here, so I see that as a fine place to discuss it.

We can't catch everything. There's 12 main forums, and 18 moderators. Those 18 moderators aren't on all the time, because, as has been said, we have lives. We have things to do. I haven't been on much lately because my Year 11 exams are on in a week. Other people aren't on often because of holidays or having too much work, or maybe they're just spending time with their families. That's okay, because this is a volunteer job. We're not expected to be here 8 hours a day, every day.

Note that we can't magically look into every single topic on the forum and see which ones are off topic or not. That takes a hell of a lot of time. 25 topics on one page, 12 forums, and... let's say one new topic every 5 minutes. No one can keep up with that. Sure, we could get 20 more moderators on the team, but that'd be stupid. People would bump into each other. It happens even now.

What we see, we get. We're not Wonder Woman. You could help by PMing a moderator with a link to a topic that you think is horribly off topic and should be removed. There's usually one of us on. But please, remember, we also have lives. We're not robots, we're fans just like you and everyone else here.

-TGP-

[Edited on 11/7/2006]

  • 11.07.2006 1:50 AM PDT
Subject: Does it seem like the mods are becoming too... *Lenient?
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I think the mods are really OK as they are.

You can't expect a system like "Warning on the first offence, then a ban" as what if some troll is caught once by every moderator and given a warning? The mods can't be expected to remember everyone who's had a warning. And having a thread in HFCS of people who've had their warning would mean mods would have to check it every time they encountered someone, which would take time...

I feel that the moderators are doing their job perfectly well. If a thread is truely offensive to you, you can report it to them; but threads that are slightly off-topic shouldn't all be locked instantly in my opinion.

A degree of leniency is necessary to make the forums a nicer place for everyone, even if that seems counter-intuitive.

  • 11.07.2006 3:26 AM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

You think we're too lenient?

Sometimes I come here to clean up a little and come away feeling like the bloody Punisher. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Of course, if you really think that proper moderation involves locking anything slightly off-topic and banning anyone who steps even a little bit out of line, that's fine; I'll start doing it the day you start paying me for the time I'd have to spend.

Now -blam!- off; I've got midterms to study for.

  • 11.07.2006 4:47 AM PDT

Posted by: BobBQ
Now -blam!- off; I've got midterms to study for.
Rawr!
*does that cat-claw-motion-thingy at BobBQ*

I'm on from 3AM to 11AM Bungie time on weekdays. If you see a thread that is supposed to be locked or moved, PM me. You are using the gmail account or PMing a moderator whenever you see a rule broken, correct? Because if you aren't, then you are of no help whatsoever and have no room to complain...

Oh, and there aren't 23 moderators. Achronos, KP, N0F and Sketch are not really moderators. Maka is never on anymore. Shishka, stosh, chris, Yoozel and goweb are rarely on anymore (I'm sure they're all busy and get on B.net occasionally, but not as much as in the past). So, that leaves:
Anton
BobBQ
me
Jim
Ghandi
TGP
JaF
Nos
Pez
Recon
Leche
Toast

So, roughly 12-17 moderators covering 24 hours of the day. I'd say we do a pretty damn good job for such a large site. If we had members that were actually helpful and PM us rather than just complain, things would go much better.

You know when I'm on, so I expect you to now PM me with whatever needs to be locked in that time. If you do not, I think you are too lenient and I think we should "hire" members that care a little more.

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Moderators....lenient ha...hahaha....hahahahahaa.


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  • 11.07.2006 6:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: BobBQ
Now -blam!- off; I've got midterms to study for.
Rawr!
*does that cat-claw-motion-thingy at BobBQ*

I'm on from 3AM to 11AM Bungie time on weekdays. If you see a thread that is supposed to be locked or moved, PM me. You are using the gmail account or PMing a moderator whenever you see a rule broken, correct? Because if you aren't, then you are of no help whatsoever and have no room to complain...


Granted DMB, that this is the correct way to do things, but if you are new to reporting things then using the Gmail account seems like screaming in a vacuum. Depending on when you send an email to that account, it sometimes has been days before someone has checked it and then locked the thread. Impatient people like me then assume, rather incorrectly, that nothing is going to be done about the thread in the meantime. Now, I've been here long enough, and reported enough threads to know better ways about going about reporting things. But like I said, using the traditional means seem kinda "impersonal" to me, and you don't really know how effective it will be. NOW, that is not me saying that people should stop using the Gmail account or PM'ing mods, I'm just trying to explain why members might be hesitant to do so.

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Posted by: dmbfan09
Oh, and there aren't 23 moderators. Achronos, KP, N0F and Sketch are not really moderators. Maka is never on anymore. Shishka, stosh, chris, Yoozel and goweb are rarely on anymore (I'm sure they're all busy and get on B.net occasionally, but not as much as in the past). So, that leaves:
Anton
BobBQ
me
Jim
Ghandi
TGP
JaF
Nos
Pez
Recon
Leche
Toast

And then you have JaF who even said he was going to be gone for a few months.

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Posted by: dmbfan09
Oh, and there aren't 23 moderators. Achronos, KP, N0F and Sketch are not really moderators. Maka is never on anymore. Shishka, stosh, chris, Yoozel and goweb are rarely on anymore (I'm sure they're all busy and get on B.net occasionally, but not as much as in the past). So, that leaves:
Anton
BobBQ
me
Jim
Ghandi
TGP
JaF
Nos
Pez
Recon
Leche
Toast

And then you have JaF who even said he was going to be gone for a few months.
That means that the mod to user ratio is like 10,000 to a mod!!!?

  • 11.07.2006 4:50 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

So the community consensus is:
Its not that the mods are to leinient, its that there's not enough of them.

  • 11.07.2006 4:54 PM PDT
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  • 11.07.2006 5:03 PM PDT
Subject: Does it seem like the mods are becoming too... Leniant?

You have to do your job as a member and help them out a every now and then. Report threads that should be locked to them, and your thoughts about them being too lenient will disappear.

[Edited on 11/7/2006]

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From my point of view. The mods cannot be leniant. They do what they can, the do what they believe is right. They cannot be everywhere at once. As many people have said, the mods are just ordinary members. Like you, me, and everyone else within this thread. We are all just normal people. Sure, when mods are not on some forums become hectic. But they do what they can. I say, that if you do not like the way the mods work, deal with it. This is the way bungie works, this is the way the world works. We cannot say police are too leniant because they did not catch a purse snatcher or a bank robber. But we can say that they tried. A bit of an odd metaphor I know, but that is how I view it. Not to mention it was the only thing I could think of at the moment.

So, all you can do, as said by Hobo, is help the the best of your abilities. Which is much mind you, but help is help, no matter how much or how little.

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I am quite surprised Achronos hasn't posted yet...

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