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Subject: Allright guys I got my parts picked but one more thing...
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Well as some of you know I'm building a Tower of Pwnage and I've been taking tips from some of you and I have most my hardware picked out and I will list them after this.

I put them in links because me trying to explain them is like Helen Keller trying to find Waldo, it just is pointless.

Motherboard

Processor

Hard Drive

RAM

Video Card
Power Supply

I'm getting these two as part of the package deal.

Case

Keyboard

Mouse

NOW FOR MY QUESTIONS PLEASE READ CAREFULLY!

1. Will are these parts be compatible with each other?

2. Will they all fit in this case?

3. Can someone suggest a really good cooling system for that processor.

I'm probably going to get a surround sound system so when I shoot that RL, it sounds like it. ;)

Otherwise I think they will be good.



  • 11.12.2006 5:49 PM PDT

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The system is compatible with everything you have listed. Personally, and this is just my opinion so dont start a flame war, I prefer AMD processors to Intel. They do games much better. The vid card is radical, but the power supply is too much. You really dont need that much power, you're only spending over on electicity costs in the end. You would be far better off going with something like this: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-deta ils.asp?EdpNo=1273353&Sku=ULT31852

I have one and I love it, saves serious space too. I built my machine myself and I can just say that I hope you either get this thing professionally put together, or you know what you're doing. If you dont know what you're doing, you could wind up frying everything and wasting your money. I almost did that once and fried a motherboard (luckily that was it.)

You really dont need a cooling system, and dont bother overclocking. Your system will be fast enough as it is, and overclocking drastically decreases the life of everything in your system. Just make sure the case has a good fan and you will be fine.

Good luck with your system!

  • 11.12.2006 6:15 PM PDT
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Good luck with your system, it looks promising with those parts. You'll want to extend the life of your computer for a while so don't bother overclocking, which shortens the life-span of your graphics processor.

Also, my tower of pwnage > your tower of pwnage come 2007.

  • 11.12.2006 6:42 PM PDT
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Please answer my questions, and I wasn't neccesarily planning on OC but I do want something to be efficient with that processor.

  • 11.12.2006 7:29 PM PDT
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I you can, go to a big store like CompUSA and ask for a motherboard\processor combo. Thats how I got mine, and both were only $100.

  • 11.12.2006 7:37 PM PDT
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Like themadblimper said, no flame wars on here, but AMD is awesome. However, cores are the way to go for now. I'm an AMD person, but I concede to the fact that Core Duos are the best choice as of now. Killer graphics card, but maybe 4 gigs ram would be more balanced for that? Or at least plan on upgrading in that area. That power supply looks dangerous, seeing as how 25% of people gave it a 1/5!!!!!!!

I don't know why you would want such an overpriced and poor quality case, but that's your preference there. As for cooling, I'm getting a Zalman 9500 in a few days and I'll see if it's amazing as everyone seems to be saying.

  • 11.12.2006 9:00 PM PDT
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Then perhaps you might want to suggest another power supply. I had one in mind.

I was thinking one from PC Power & Cooling. I saw one that had 850 Watts that I liked. You guys got any suggestions.

I see a lot of talking about my mobo. Do you guys got any suggestions of mobos that are better than the one I got that and is compatible with ALL the parts I have.

  • 11.12.2006 10:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: th3m4dblimp3r
The system is compatible with everything you have listed. Personally, and this is just my opinion so dont start a flame war, I prefer AMD processors to Intel. They do games much better. The vid card is radical, but the power supply is too much. You really dont need that much power, you're only spending over on electicity costs in the end. You would be far better off going with something like this: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-deta ils.asp?EdpNo=1273353&Sku=ULT31852

I have one and I love it, saves serious space too. I built my machine myself and I can just say that I hope you either get this thing professionally put together, or you know what you're doing. If you dont know what you're doing, you could wind up frying everything and wasting your money. I almost did that once and fried a motherboard (luckily that was it.)

You really dont need a cooling system, and dont bother overclocking. Your system will be fast enough as it is, and overclocking drastically decreases the life of everything in your system. Just make sure the case has a good fan and you will be fine.

Good luck with your system!


you are so uneducated it's not funny.

1. with the core 2 duos(and core 2 quads for that matter, intel took the lead not only in general performance, but in games as well.

2. powersupplies do not draw their max capacities at all times meaning that if he is running the your CRAPPY ultra power supply and his silverstone they will both draw the same amount: what they need. And just to put this out there, the ultra brand of powersupplies is horrible.

3. It's good that you have faith in him, your words of encouragement about you frying your machine do not help. Infact it furthers what you wrote about about how you are not intelligent.

4. He doesnt need a cooling system? O RLY? would you suggest he run the processor without a fan/heatsink? I am sure that will last long. Although if he does not intend to overclock the stock hsf will be more than fine.

Now ill answer your questions except for number 3 since I pretty much answered it already.

1. Will are these parts be compatible with each other?

yes, but there is a new motherboard out based on the newest nforce chipset meaning it's the first good one for the core 2 duo platform that runs SLI.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681318800 9
Just throwing it out there since I am a fan of the nforce platform being an owner of two of them.




2. Will they all fit in this case?

It should, but it will be a tight fit since the gtx is almost a foot long. I know I have said this before, but it bears repeating; get a better quality case. honestly the one you picked out is pure garbage, poorly made and poorly designed. the novelty of the glowing face will wear off soon and you will be left thinking why you bought a subpar case because it looked cool.

And the misc section.
Concerning your question about the powersupply: PC power and cooling is regarded as the highest quality you can get, you can not go wrong with them. Although if you dont feel like spending that much you can always get an antec or OCZ, but there is nothing wrong with the silverstone.

  • 11.12.2006 11:47 PM PDT

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^I have been building computers since they were comercially available, smarta$$. I have received my A+ certification in computer hardware, can you say the same? Retail processors COME with a stock heatsink and fan, and they are quite efficient in keeping the cpu temperature stable. You wont need anything else to keep it running cool.

Your OPINION on ultra power supplies is like my OPINION on amd processors. So you better get your ideas and facts straight before you get your foot in your mouth, and before you mess with someone who has studied cpu architechture.

Oh, and another thing MR. SMARTA$$. I have a system running right now with an AMD FX-62 processor that beat the fastest intel core 2 duo in graphics and memory benchmark tests. Overclocking was not done.

  • 11.13.2006 2:28 AM PDT
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1. Will are these parts be compatible with each other?

yes, but there is a new motherboard out based on the newest nforce chipset meaning it's the first good one for the core 2 duo platform that runs SLI.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681318800 9
Just throwing it out there since I am a fan of the nforce platform being an owner of two of them.


Isn't that the mobo that was featured with the next 8000 series asd being the best choice to run with them? If so, then thats the best mobo I could get more than likely.



2. Will they all fit in this case?

It should, but it will be a tight fit since the gtx is almost a foot long. I know I have said this before, but it bears repeating; get a better quality case. honestly the one you picked out is pure garbage, poorly made and poorly designed. the novelty of the glowing face will wear off soon and you will be left thinking why you bought a subpar case because it looked cool.


Any Suggestions. I do want one that does look somewhat appealing.

And the misc section.
Concerning your question about the powersupply: PC power and cooling is regarded as the highest quality you can get, you can not go wrong with them. Although if you dont feel like spending that much you can always get an antec or OCZ, but there is nothing wrong with the silverstone.


I was thinking the 850 Watt or the 1 KW, but does 1KW seem to be overneccesariy?

I mean its kinda a lot anyway.

  • 11.13.2006 5:20 AM PDT
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I like it, you have the same ram, the same processor as me. I think you are being ripped of on that motherboard, I am sure you could find a better one for that price. Case looks a bit like mine. Be careful with your mouse, I have a 2000 DPI mouse, It can be hard to you at times, thats why when I play halo, I use a ball mouse. Unnecessary power for your supply.

Everthing is compatible. You may want to get a better hard drive, that one is slow and kidna noisy. Also dont you want an optical drive, blue-ray or something?

Also, whoever said that AMD is faster is living in the past. The E6600 (conroe 2.4) is faster than ANY AMD processor in the world. It benchmarks far higher than them.

By the way Demi, about 10 seconds after you buy that card, it will go down in price like 50%. Wait until the 8000 series becomes better as the GTX is benchmarking around the GH2 just now, which is half the price, and is actually losing on some games like Quake 4.

  • 11.13.2006 5:42 AM PDT
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fanboys will be fanboys...


Honestly though, I seriously doubt you need that much power, unless you want a computer with 4 hard drives or so, and bundles of cathodes, fans, and other accessories all over the place.

  • 11.13.2006 6:55 AM PDT
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core 2 versus AMD X2

Take note that the E6400 is about as good as the FX-62

The E6400 costs about £164 while the FX-62 costs about £500. The 62 is AMD's fastest processor, while the E6400 is the second slowest Core 2.

  • 11.13.2006 8:24 AM PDT

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I take it back, this is just rediculous: here's THE fastest cpu available for consumers.

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/core2quad_ qx6700/

That is complete overkill. Want the fastest computer ever? Go with that.

P.S. I didn't want to start an AMD vs. Intel flame war. Both have their pros and cons. I just happen to like how the AMD has a faster front side bus speed.


[Edited on 11/13/2006]

  • 11.13.2006 10:26 AM PDT

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Demi, get a board with the nVidia 680i chipset, I think Asus and EVGA are the only ones currently. Skip the Intel chipset.

You might also want to get 800mhz ram to take advantage of the overclocking potential of the C2Duo. You should be able to overclock it close to 3ghz without increased cooling or voltage. You'll get the best performance by running your ram with as low of a memory divider as possible.

Enjoy the 8800 though, that's awesome.

  • 11.13.2006 11:53 AM PDT

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fanboys will be fanboys...


Honestly though, I seriously doubt you need that much power, unless you want a computer with 4 hard drives or so, and bundles of cathodes, fans, and other accessories all over the place.


lol, maybe you should check out the power that the 8800gtx draws.

  • 11.13.2006 11:57 AM PDT
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Demi, get a board with the nVidia 680i chipset, I think Asus and EVGA are the only ones currently. Skip the Intel chipset.

You might also want to get 800mhz ram to take advantage of the overclocking potential of the C2Duo. You should be able to overclock it close to 3ghz without increased cooling or voltage. You'll get the best performance by running your ram with as low of a memory divider as possible.

Enjoy the 8800 though, that's awesome.


What are you talking about? Maybe I am mistaken, but PC6400 IS 800MHZ. I have the highest class 800mhz ram there is, the stuff demi is buying is just one step below it.

  • 11.13.2006 12:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
Demi, get a board with the nVidia 680i chipset, I think Asus and EVGA are the only ones currently. Skip the Intel chipset.

You might also want to get 800mhz ram to take advantage of the overclocking potential of the C2Duo. You should be able to overclock it close to 3ghz without increased cooling or voltage. You'll get the best performance by running your ram with as low of a memory divider as possible.

Enjoy the 8800 though, that's awesome.


What are you talking about? Maybe I am mistaken, but PC6400 IS 800MHZ. I have the highest class 800mhz ram there is, the stuff demi is buying is just one step below it.


Yes, I misread his link and thought it was rated to about 650mhz, not 800. He's getting the right stuff. The timings on DDR2 still suck though...CL 5....not that great even at 800mhz.

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  • 11.13.2006 3:39 PM PDT

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I like it, you have the same ram, the same processor as me. I think you are being ripped of on that motherboard, I am sure you could find a better one for that price. Case looks a bit like mine. Be careful with your mouse, I have a 2000 DPI mouse, It can be hard to you at times, thats why when I play halo, I use a ball mouse. Unnecessary power for your supply.

Everthing is compatible. You may want to get a better hard drive, that one is slow and kidna noisy. Also dont you want an optical drive, blue-ray or something?

Also, whoever said that AMD is faster is living in the past. The E6600 (conroe 2.4) is faster than ANY AMD processor in the world. It benchmarks far higher than them.

By the way Demi, about 10 seconds after you buy that card, it will go down in price like 50%. Wait until the 8000 series becomes better as the GTX is benchmarking around the GH2 just now, which is half the price, and is actually losing on some games like Quake 4.


It's Blu-Ray not Blue Ray.

And those drives cost at least as much as a new 8800GTX, probably a few hundred more. Why spend close to 1K on a Blu-Ray drive?

  • 11.13.2006 3:45 PM PDT
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why buy an 850W psu?

  • 11.13.2006 3:46 PM PDT

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P.S. I didn't want to start an AMD vs. Intel flame war. Both have their pros and cons. I just happen to like how the AMD has a faster front side bus speed.


Just to clear up one thing. AMD chips (a64, AM2) don't use a front side bus (FSB). They use a memory controller on die that communicates directly with ram called hypertransport. Intel is still using the outdated FSB architecture. The C2D chips (and Pentium M) have gotten around the limitations of the FSB by using insanely fast on die caches that essentially take the place of ram. If you follow SuperPi benchmarking, you'll understand what I mean.

  • 11.13.2006 3:54 PM PDT

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why buy an 850W psu?


Are you asking me?

For what he wants, 600w should be just fine, but 800+w is not a bad idea if he goes SLI.

I run a server class motherboard with SLI, 2 CPUs, and lots of ram and use a 520w high quality OCZ unit, and never have problems at all.

As power hungry as the 7900gtx are, the 8800gtx will pull a lot more power.

  • 11.13.2006 3:58 PM PDT

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A power supply of about 650 watts would be perfect for the system you are planning to build.

Not to stray off the topic, but have you heard about the "reverse hyper-threading" tech that AMD is working on? It essentially allows 2 or more CPUs to run on a single thread. This means that a dual core 2.6 ghz processor would be the equivalent of a 5.2 ghz processor.

  • 11.13.2006 4:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: th3m4dblimp3r
A power supply of about 650 watts would be perfect for the system you are planning to build.

Not to stray off the topic, but have you heard about the "reverse hyper-threading" tech that AMD is working on? It essentially allows 2 or more CPUs to run on a single thread. This means that a dual core 2.6 ghz processor would be the equivalent of a 5.2 ghz processor.


You are aware that programs(including games) are moving towards a multi threaded programming?

  • 11.13.2006 5:53 PM PDT

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I am perfectly aware that programs are moving for multithreaded tech, but it won't happen for some time. I have yet to see one game in development that will utilize the 64 bit cpu achitechture. (Please correct me if i'm wrong.) The movement towards multi-threaded games is great, but it wont be as stable as a game running on just one process.

But 2 cpus working on one thread will be faster than just one cpu. So if you get a quad core, it may be the equivalent of a dual core with twice the speed. (quad core 2.4 ghz=dual core 4.8 ghz) The difference is that the heat output wont be as rediculously high as if it was running at 4.8 ghz. (For those who dont know, a pentium 4 3.2 ghz runs, with stock heatsink, and about 70 degrees celcius at full load.) The idea is to reduce the heat output as much as possible.

  • 11.13.2006 6:17 PM PDT

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