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Okay here's the rumor I heard from a unrelaible sourse, that bungie was working on matchmaking for Halo CE for xbox live, via xbox live arcade or bundled with Halo 3.

I discounted this as total BS, but frankie has been alluding to a BIG surprise for the 5 year anniversary of Halo CE. anyway heres some quotes

Rob McLees and I, along with Damian Isla and Lorraine, have been working very hard the last couple of weeks on a really cool thing that may or may not make it into the game. If it DOES make it into the game, it will probably be one of the biggest forum-thread spawning things of all time. If it doesn’t make it into the game, then don’t worry, we have another avenue for it.


Anyway, the stuff Robt, Lorraine and Damian have come up with is absolutely mind-blowing, and reminds me again why I drive across the 520 bridge in rush hour traffic every day. That project certainly won’t see the light of day before 2007, so I won’t tease you too much.


and this quote

If you thought there was a lot of Halo information last week, wait ‘til next week. A bunch of stuff is going down to celebrate the 5th anniversary of a little game we like to call Halo. In November 2001, Halo launched alongside the Xbox console, and the rest is history. Next year, Halo 3 will conclude the story arc begun all those years ago and next week, we’ll take a long lingering look at the series to date. There will also be some pretty BIG surprises and maybe announcements. Who can say?

Now this is wishful thinking, but anyone have any thoughts as this BIG announcement might be Halo CE matchmaking?


  • 11.14.2006 3:13 PM PDT

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i very much doubt it. on one of the many threads in this regard i believe it was achronos that came out and stated the only way to do it would be to recode (essentially remake) the game for xbl. not to mention all of the weapon tweaks in order to balance it out.

besides they've been using this time to prep halo3 so i think this suprise will be something related to that.

  • 11.14.2006 3:58 PM PDT
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It says on EGM for Novemer 15th Special Halo 1 annoucement? What else could they announce about a 5 year old game? ONLINE!!! Please let it be that!!! PLEASE!

  • 11.14.2006 8:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
i very much doubt it. on one of the many threads in this regard i believe it was achronos that came out and stated the only way to do it would be to recode (essentially remake) the game for xbl. not to mention all of the weapon tweaks in order to balance it out.

besides they've been using this time to prep halo3 so i think this suprise will be something related to that.


It was balanced. If they made changes like that...well, it wouldn't be Halo CE anymore and not worth my time.

I'm hoping they'll have a "classic weapons" mode in Halo 3. The same weapons from both Halo CE and Halo 2...only one set playable at a time (no mixing weapons). That they have the same exact physics as the Halo CE weapons, but for use on the Halo 3 engine, using the Halo 3 maps. I don't think this would be terribly difficult to pull off...after all, they wouldn't have to recode the old maps.

  • 11.15.2006 12:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hi im Pryme
It says on EGM for Novemer 15th Special Halo 1 annoucement? What else could they announce about a 5 year old game? ONLINE!!! Please let it be that!!! PLEASE!


When I read they had an announcement to make, I assumed they were going to tell us the release date for Halo 3.

  • 11.15.2006 12:12 AM PDT
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Yeah, it probably is BS. Highly unlikely.

  • 11.15.2006 12:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
i very much doubt it. on one of the many threads in this regard i believe it was achronos that came out and stated the only way to do it would be to recode (essentially remake) the game for xbl. not to mention all of the weapon tweaks in order to balance it out.

besides they've been using this time to prep halo3 so i think this suprise will be something related to that.


It was balanced. If they made changes like that...well, it wouldn't be Halo CE anymore and not worth my time.

I'm hoping they'll have a "classic weapons" mode in Halo 3. The same weapons from both Halo CE and Halo 2...only one set playable at a time (no mixing weapons). That they have the same exact physics as the Halo CE weapons, but for use on the Halo 3 engine, using the Halo 3 maps. I don't think this would be terribly difficult to pull off...after all, they wouldn't have to recode the old maps.


don't get me wrong, i love halo CE multiplayer, in many aspects more than halo2. but there is one thing that must be changed and that is the pistol. the pistol wouldn't function very well online, not to mention that it shouldn't even exist. there is no pistol that could be concieved that can out-shoot a sniper rifle, end of story.

that being said, again they couldn't do it without making changes. and as you put it yourself, it wouldn't feel the same anyway. therefore i don't think that they would waste thier time with it.

  • 11.15.2006 2:48 PM PDT
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But the whole "OMG PISTOL IS OVERPOWERED!1!!Shift+One!1" issue is really just a cosmetic issue. Think about it - if the pistol and the assault rifle was changed in accuracy and performance, and the assault rifle had high-explosive rounds, a slower rate of fire and a 2X scope while the pistol was an inaccurate fast-firing double-meleeing then people wouldn't be complaining about it. It's purely cosmetic, and if you think it's unrealistic, you need to realize that it's a game.

  • 11.15.2006 4:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Master Kim
But the whole "OMG PISTOL IS OVERPOWERED!1!!Shift+One!1" issue is really just a cosmetic issue. Think about it - if the pistol and the assault rifle was changed in accuracy and performance, and the assault rifle had high-explosive rounds, a slower rate of fire and a 2X scope while the pistol was an inaccurate fast-firing double-meleeing then people wouldn't be complaining about it. It's purely cosmetic, and if you think it's unrealistic, you need to realize that it's a game.


dude, what are you talking about? have you ever fired a gun?? the AR is inaccurate because it's full auto, it has nothing to do with cosmetics. the pistol is the way it is because that is the way it is made to be, not because it looks a certain way. simply reskinning the gun won't change much unless you change it into a single-shot rifle, then it would make a little more sense. but even then it shouldn't outshoot a sniper rifle.

and don't stat on abou the whole "it's a game so realism doesn't matter" trip. the game has touch's of realism throughout, and one of the huge reasons the pistol was changed for halo2 is because the og pistol was way too unbelievablly ranged for a pistol. the power doesn't matter because there are pistols that can shoot throught the block of a car, but the range is where they start to stretch things.

  • 11.16.2006 9:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: SweeTRIX
dude, what are you talking about? have you ever fired a gun?? the AR is inaccurate because it's full auto, it has nothing to do with cosmetics. the pistol is the way it is because that is the way it is made to be, not because it looks a certain way. simply reskinning the gun won't change much unless you change it into a single-shot rifle, then it would make a little more sense. but even then it shouldn't outshoot a sniper rifle.

No, the assault rifle is inaccurate period. Even if you just tap the trigger, it's very difficult to consistently hit the exact same spot that you want it to go within the giant circle on the screen that you call a cross hair. I never said that the pistol is the way it is because it looks the way it does. You completely misunderstood my statement. I just simply stated that if the assault rifle's and pistol's traits and attributes were switched people wouldn't be complaining about it so much.

Oh, and if you actually played Halo, you would realize that the pistol has automatic fire. Not very accurate, but it's automatic nonetheless. You fail, please try again. ^.^

  • 11.16.2006 11:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: SweeTRIX
dude, what are you talking about? have you ever fired a gun?? the AR is inaccurate because it's full auto, it has nothing to do with cosmetics. the pistol is the way it is because that is the way it is made to be, not because it looks a certain way. simply reskinning the gun won't change much unless you change it into a single-shot rifle, then it would make a little more sense. but even then it shouldn't outshoot a sniper rifle.

No, the assault rifle is inaccurate period. Even if you just tap the trigger, it's very difficult to consistently hit the exact same spot that you want it to go within the giant circle on the screen that you call a cross hair. I never said that the pistol is the way it is because it looks the way it does. You completely misunderstood my statement. I just simply stated that if the assault rifle's and pistol's traits and attributes were switched people wouldn't be complaining about it so much.

Oh, and if you actually played Halo, you would realize that the pistol has automatic fire. Not very accurate, but it's automatic nonetheless. You fail, please try again. ^.^


wow, i didn't realize i was dealing with someone like you, who thinks that holding down the trigger for the pistol equates automatic fire. first and formost, your statement said the issues were purely cosmetic, not to hard to misunderstand that statement, but thank you for clearing up what you meant, even though switching the capabilities of the two doesn't make much sense.

second, i didn't say the AR was innacurate because your firing it full auto, i said it was innacurate because it IS full auto. weapons that are designed to be fully automatic are not typically designed for accuracy. look at the short "snub" barrel on the AR, it's not there for accurate shooting, it's a bullet hose plain and simple. and to explain my comment above, no the pistol is not an auto weapon, if you hold down the trigger it will fire semi-automatically in succession.

third, keep your smart ass coments to yourself, especially when your comments show your complete lack of backround info on things of this nature.

  • 11.16.2006 2:30 PM PDT
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I will not keep my smart ass comments to myself; they tend to have a mind of their own.

What if the battle rifle in Halo 2 was a bullet hose and was mostly spray-and-pray, while the SMG was an accurate weapon that fired in bursts with a 2X scope with higher caliber shells. My point is, people would be complaining about the SMG being the power weapon and the BR being a weapon that leaves something to be desired.

I was not saying, "OMG THE PISTOL LOOKS LIKE A PEASHOOTER SO IT MUST BE REALLY POWERFUL!" when I mentioned that the issue was cosmetic. I was simply stating that if the assault rifle took the role of the pistol, and vice versa, people would see that it's no big deal.

  • 11.16.2006 4:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Master Kim
I will not keep my smart ass comments to myself; they tend to have a mind of their own.

What if the battle rifle in Halo 2 was a bullet hose and was mostly spray-and-pray, while the SMG was an accurate weapon that fired in bursts with a 2X scope with higher caliber shells. My point is, people would be complaining about the SMG being the power weapon and the BR being a weapon that leaves something to be desired.

I was not saying, "OMG THE PISTOL LOOKS LIKE A PEASHOOTER SO IT MUST BE REALLY POWERFUL!" when I mentioned that the issue was cosmetic. I was simply stating that if the assault rifle took the role of the pistol, and vice versa, people would see that it's no big deal.


yes, i know that now, and that's why i thanked you for clarifying that in my last post. but what i'm saying is that even a standard rifle, whether it be BR, AR, or what have you, it should not out perform a sniper rifle in terms of accuracy and range. the pistol in halo 1, regardless of what you make it look like, is rediculous in terms of performance.

so i stand by what i said, while i love that game to death, and enjoy using the pistol myself, it would need to be modified for xbl play or just completely removed. and since that was a key factor in the way halo mm worked, i don't think they would waste thier time with it.

[Edited on 11/16/2006]

  • 11.16.2006 4:41 PM PDT
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I agree with you. I understand that. It's nice to have intelligent conversations with people in the Library. This doesn't happen too often outside the Maw.

  • 11.16.2006 4:49 PM PDT

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too true

  • 11.16.2006 5:13 PM PDT
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BRAVO!!!! BRAVO!!!!!!

Really you guys that was leet awesomeness. Such a well formulated, organized, unflamed debate is soo rare around any forum. (Talking to Kim and SweetTrix). Just bravo.

More to the point it is probably a BS rumor so I would discard it.

  • 11.17.2006 3:55 PM PDT
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I REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY WANT HALO 1 WITH LIVE

THE SAME SETUP AS HALO 2 (live) BUT HALO !

  • 11.18.2006 3:46 PM PDT

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remember a while back when there were so many threads about live on h1... STOP. It is physically and, of course, mentally impossible that h1 can have live. They would have to modify the game's code, meaning they would have to make the entire game over. That would cost millions, to be honest, I would like H3 multiplayer more than some quick-pick h1 multiplayer with veterans going "Ohhhhhh: PISTOL SHOT IN THE HEEEAAADD. Im sorry if some of you had your hopes on it, and maybe, maybe.... maybe it'll come true. Maybe after h3 is released. But definatel not anytime soon.

  • 11.18.2006 4:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: blackke7995
remember a while back when there were so many threads about live on h1... STOP. It is physically and, of course, mentally impossible that h1 can have live. They would have to modify the game's code, meaning they would have to make the entire game over. That would cost millions, to be honest, I would like H3 multiplayer more than some quick-pick h1 multiplayer with veterans going "Ohhhhhh: PISTOL SHOT IN THE HEEEAAADD. Im sorry if some of you had your hopes on it, and maybe, maybe.... maybe it'll come true. Maybe after h3 is released. But definatel not anytime soon.


lol, I love how all these people talk like they work for major game developers and know the business and the technology and how it all works. Truth is, they don't know blam, they are just speculating.

Halo CE XBL is possible, sure. But a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT could be any of a hundred things, you could replace "Halo CE for XBL" with just about anything and it would be just as plausible.

  • 11.18.2006 5:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rimmer BSC
Okay here's the rumor I heard from a unrelaible sourse, that bungie was working on matchmaking for Halo CE for xbox live, via xbox live arcade or bundled with Halo 3.

I discounted this as total BS, but frankie has been alluding to a BIG surprise for the 5 year anniversary of Halo CE. anyway heres some quotes

Rob McLees and I, along with Damian Isla and Lorraine, have been working very hard the last couple of weeks on a really cool thing that may or may not make it into the game. If it DOES make it into the game, it will probably be one of the biggest forum-thread spawning things of all time. If it doesn’t make it into the game, then don’t worry, we have another avenue for it.


Anyway, the stuff Robt, Lorraine and Damian have come up with is absolutely mind-blowing, and reminds me again why I drive across the 520 bridge in rush hour traffic every day. That project certainly won’t see the light of day before 2007, so I won’t tease you too much.


and this quote

If you thought there was a lot of Halo information last week, wait ‘til next week. A bunch of stuff is going down to celebrate the 5th anniversary of a little game we like to call Halo. In November 2001, Halo launched alongside the Xbox console, and the rest is history. Next year, Halo 3 will conclude the story arc begun all those years ago and next week, we’ll take a long lingering look at the series to date. There will also be some pretty BIG surprises and maybe announcements. Who can say?

Now this is wishful thinking, but anyone have any thoughts as this BIG announcement might be Halo CE matchmaking?




Well, I think that's PURE BS but if that ever DOES come around I will seriosly hate Bungie (for ripping me off when I bought Halo)


[Edited on 11/18/2006]

  • 11.18.2006 6:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: blackke7995
remember a while back when there were so many threads about live on h1... STOP. It is physically and, of course, mentally impossible that h1 can have live. They would have to modify the game's code, meaning they would have to make the entire game over. That would cost millions, to be honest, I would like H3 multiplayer more than some quick-pick h1 multiplayer with veterans going "Ohhhhhh: PISTOL SHOT IN THE HEEEAAADD. Im sorry if some of you had your hopes on it, and maybe, maybe.... maybe it'll come true. Maybe after h3 is released. But definatel not anytime soon.


lol, I love how all these people talk like they work for major game developers and know the business and the technology and how it all works. Truth is, they don't know blam, they are just speculating.

Halo CE XBL is possible, sure. But a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT could be any of a hundred things, you could replace "Halo CE for XBL" with just about anything and it would be just as plausible.


other than his psychotic rant, he is right. the only way that halo can be made for xbl is for them to recode the game. i can't remember which moderater said it in one of the thousands of forums on this topic, but for it to be done the game needs to be essentially remade to work with xbl, something it was never designed to do. is it possible?? sure, anything is really. but would it happen, highly doubtfull. there is no real benefit for them to do this, what money is there to be made for them to remake a 5 year old game so that it is xbl capable, on a platform that they are trying to phase out???

and as discussed earlier in the debate above by yours truly, there would have to be changed made to the gameflow simply to make it more xbl "workable". namely balance issues would have to be addressed. the learning curve for halo was far higher then that of halo2, so either 1 of two things are likely to happen. only halo loyalists will play it, cause there the only one's that won't mind pistol dominated games, or the game will be re-balanced so that it works to the majorities liking, essentially nuetering what made it so fun in the first place.

i say leave it alone, let it rest on the top teir as one of the greatest FPS ever made, don't risk that status with a remake.

  • 11.22.2006 11:37 AM PDT
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In Halo CE the pistol had a range of 60 game units, or about 600 feet and could hit where you aimed at(I looked at weapon stats with HMT). Plus it killed in 3 head shots, but fired explosive rounds. Yes that is pretty unrealistic i believe. The Assault Rifle had a range of 70 game units, 700 feet but couldn't hit anything out side of 30 feet easily. It took 10 head shots to kill with it, which was very difficult.

I think the assault rifle would have been nice with better accuracy even if it still took 10 head shots to kill. I loved the pistol though. I remodeled the pistol into something that seemed reasonable as a 3 shot kill. I stretched it to be more of an assault rifle, I made it sort of like a Jame Bond Rifle.

  • 11.22.2006 12:37 PM PDT
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  • 11.22.2006 8:01 PM PDT