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Something that gets on my nerves a lot of the time is when someone comes out of the Blacklist cageā„¢ they have a rant about how
*sobs* I PMed ***** about why I was blacklisted but they just said bla bla
To start, why are we, the community, meant to know why you were blacklisted. And I'm sure nobody wants to hear about it.

I have thought of a couple of solutions to this:

* 1) Once you come out of the blacklist, you have like 24 hours or something where you can't create new posts. IE you can only reply in threads and PM.

* 2) The first may be slightly pointless, seeing as you can't post in a blacklist anyway, so if you do post a thread about "why was I blacklisted" you get another, longer Blacklist.

[Edited on 11/16/2006]

  • 11.16.2006 11:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Malcolmsun
* 2) The first may be slightly pointless, seeing as you can't post in a blacklist anyway, so if you do post a thread about "why was I blacklisted" you get another, longer Blacklist.
If a moderator sees a "I'm back from my blacklisting" thread, it will be locked and the user will usually be warned. Of course, there are some moderators that take your advice above and just blacklist the user again.

  • 11.17.2006 2:29 AM PDT

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Don't step on the cat, Rant.

  • 11.17.2006 8:02 AM PDT
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  • 11.17.2006 8:06 AM PDT
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Yeah, but if the person presents thevalid problem that they had with the blacklist and rasies ways to correct the issue then it's fine.


But if the person comes off complaining, crying, whinning, then it's stupid.

*edit ~ wow you honestly trademarked blacklist cage, that's funny?

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  • 11.17.2006 9:16 AM PDT
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What's insulting about the blacklisting screen? It informs you what happened to your posting abilities on the forums.

Posted by: Johnrap
But not with some insulting blacklist screen locking them out of the forums.

The blacklist is just insulting and elitest. I'm not sure why otherwise class acts like Bungie and Microsoft are involved in this.

  • 11.17.2006 9:21 AM PDT
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How is it vague? Are you using your past experiences to place a generalization over the entire blacklist system?

If it is vague then the reason behind that is the person should realize what the did wrong, but then the person can always PM the mod.

*edit ~ wow you actually added and trademarked blacklist cage...nice?

Posted by: Rant
However because its so vague as to why you were banned you dont really learn anything from it. You just sit there and go "......ok....fudge". So because youre not clear as to what in fact got you banned that leads to you possibly repeating the offense and angering the mod yet again. Which leads the mods to scream that no one reads the stickies. If you want people to read so much then why not give them a written explanation as to why they were banned. What rule they violated. Thats too much work though.


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  • 11.17.2006 9:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: Johnrap
The blacklist is just insulting and elitest. I'm not sure why otherwise class acts like Bungie and Microsoft are involved in this.

I can't recall if you were here before moderators had the ability to blacklist. If so, think back to that era and remember how bad things got sometimes without the ability to remove peoples' access to the forums and bring their rule-breaking to a halt. If not, you'll have to take my word for it that it's the lesser of two evils.

(I only caught the tail end of that period myself, and I was a member instead of a moderator at that time. Trust me, it got really bad.)

-- Steve just wishes that folks would get along, or at least keep their differences civil. If that were the case, blacklisting wouldn't be needed.

Edited to add: grr... forgot to include this: remember too that you can PM a moderator if you have a question about a blacklisting, and that you can PM a master moderator should you find the answer is not sufficient.

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  • 11.17.2006 9:48 AM PDT
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I never said that it is obvious to everyone who got banned but that it should be.

It tells you not to fight the ban but only if it's less than 7 days. Are you referring to a mistake blacklist? If so then nothing applies that is on the blacklist screen.

I've PM'd a mod when I was unsure and they replied so far it's 2 for 2, I do not know what your definition of crapshoot odds are but that is nowhere close.

Is this vague?

Reasons for Blacklist
a) Failure to comply with an unofficial "cease fire", per say, between two members. b) Continuation of an argument with was deemed not to be continued. c) Making fun of me? d) Nah forget C. e) Generally being a nuisance. It's only for 7 days. If this iam/bat/tgp/sketto tirade continues, it's permanent. -TGP-


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  • 11.17.2006 9:59 AM PDT
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Um you obviously did not get the point of my mentioning my "2 for2".

The point is generalizations are stupid, so you saying it's a crapshoot is stupid, you saying that the blacklist screen is always vague is stupid, you saying that the entire blacklist system should be changed because you have experienced some problems is stupid.

I don't have problems with mods, right where did you get that.

You generalizing that, everyone must have problems with the PM system because *I* did is wrong. I can still have problems with moderators while adressing the issue of generalizing.

  • 11.17.2006 10:12 AM PDT

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I can't imagine someone who has a chance of being blacklisted for the things they do, being so content with their posting that you would have no idea what "Banned for replying to a troll" meant, or "Banned for being a jerk."

Frankly, Rant, I do see you going around quite often being a complete and downright -blam!- to people. The regular members all the way up to Achronos. And then when you get blacklisted for a week, you start going on about how the mods are "corrupt" and abuse their power.

You may come across as if you have good reasoning, but all you're doing is repeating the same things. Your level of sarcasm in each post hardly makes you a person I even bother taking seriously.

If you want to be a rebellious little member of the community, trying to point out how something is "corrupt" and needs to be fixed for "the greater good", then fine, but don't try to make your point by disagreeing with every moderator, or calling them elitists for saying semi-cryptic things, which you should easily understand, if you're truly as intelligent as you claim to be. It's what they've always done, and I think they're much smarter, and wiser than you. You're proving that in your every post.

More on topic:
I think posting about how you were blacklisted is not the correct solution. PMing moderators is the way to go. "Why was I blacklisted?" threads should be locked, and the user; warned. If they post again, (not PM) then they should be blacklisted for a day or so.

Reason being: Complaining about a blacklist.

Sure, it sounds a lot like a kid whining in time-out, so the parents make the time-out longer, but I believe it works. If they come back and post again about their blacklisting, then they should be blacklisted for a lengthier time-span.

[Edited on 11/17/2006]

  • 11.17.2006 10:22 AM PDT

Posted by: Rant
Consistency is the issue. If individual mods didnt just interpert what was banned and what wasnt and instead all agreed on the same ideas then there would be less confusion and less "WTF did I get blacklisted". But thats me being silly because we all know being heavy handed and having white text si the way to go. Power is fun. Abusing it is better.


Are you still cranky about your blacklist from last week? Take it like a man and get over it. Baiting & irritating the ninjas isn't the way to get your point across Rant.

To the thread starter. If you impose a cooling off day after a blacklist, isn't that in essence extending the blacklist?

Sure some people come off their blacklist thirsty for some blood. But most people are cool and post with decorum.

  • 11.17.2006 10:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Rant
To SS Zag. Dilligaf. You cry when someone mentions the letters B and K together in a sentence. Youre missing out on good burgers by the way.


Correction: I dislike the use of "Bad Kid". It's not nice to say, and it's use in certain forums should be limited. It causes the "MLG vs. Anti-MLG" arguments that have been banned on these forums.

Should we ban the fires, or ban the matches? I say both gets us one step closer to achieving more peace on the subject.

Once again, you've thrown sarcasm into your post. It makes you all the harder to believe that what you're saying is really your strongest opinion.

  • 11.17.2006 10:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Rant
Irony. You telling me generalizing is stupid. You win. Youre stupidity is far too great for me.

I've found that those who have trouble with moderators tend to have trouble with a great many other members too. I wonder if that's linked, somehow.

-- Steve hopes that folks understand that blacklisting is supposed to work for the benefit of members by making forums clearer of spam and less toxic from flames/flamebaiting/trolling. I don't think any moderator actually enjoys blacklisting members, if for no other reason than the grief it tends to direct back at 'em. (But better at moderators than at everybody.)

  • 11.17.2006 10:43 AM PDT

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