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Posted by: Covy Killer
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B.Net should Change ranks every once in a while, i think that seeing MEMBER MEMBER MEMBER on every persons account gets boring after a while, like if you're active or popular just change the rank(not anything that the rank can do, just the rank name)
Do you like this idea, if so any suggestions on how they can change it???

  • 11.29.2006 12:17 AM PDT
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Again, the problem comes in the form of elitism. People would rub their higher ranks in others faces.

Also, regulars members would want to be higher ranks and would start all kinds of messes. It's not worth it. But good suggestion.

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  • 11.29.2006 12:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Covy Killer
Sergeant Explosion and The Quiet Day in London.

Didnt think of that

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Posted by: AkJak
Again, the problem comes in the form of elitism. People would rub their higher ranks in others faces.

Also, regulars members would want to be higher ranks and would start all kinds of messes. It's not worth it. But good suggestion.

-Akjak


Elitism is brought up as a excuse (or reason) for every last little thing on this site, how about punish the elitists and not punish the majority because of them.

  • 11.29.2006 12:39 AM PDT
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Because not just one or two people would do it. Everybody would. We used to have a "post count" on these forums. Ever wonder why we don't anymore?

It's not an excuse, it is one of many reasons.

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  • 11.29.2006 12:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: Covy Killer
Sergeant Explosion and The Quiet Day in London.

People who are elitists should just leave and be elititsts somewhere else

  • 11.29.2006 12:48 AM PDT
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Elitists like to feel good about themselves by cutting down or making themselves look better than other people. Not unlike women.

If they went somewhere else, new ones would come here. It's a fact of life.

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  • 11.29.2006 12:51 AM PDT
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I don't know, I could imagine that being a problem for a while, but if you go to GameFAQs and use their forums no one boasts about thier rankings, (They gain one "Karma point" each day that they are logged in, (Max 1 karma point per day), and for each karma point they gain different ranks. No one there boasts about their ranks. Also maybe if Bungie implemented this they could make a stickey, "Boast about your rank and it's banville for a week."

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The idea has been brought up before, and better members than I have explained the downsides of this policy, so I won't try to explain, but a quick use of the searh feature might help.

  • 11.29.2006 3:48 AM PDT

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We really don't need ranks. The result would be the same as join dates. Ever notice why they aren't there? Older guys at b.net thought they were better than the newer ones. Ranks would do the same. Plus, it's just a title. The only thing you can really base it off is posts, and some guy can just spam for the heck of it.

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The result would be the same as join dates. Ever notice why they aren't there? Older guys at b.net thought they were better than the newer ones.

The only way people can really try to raise themselves above others now is by looking at their profile for their join date or finding their member id, and putting it in their signature. ¬.¬

And there wasn't really big problem with the join dates, there was a potential for a problem and no real use for them so they were removed.

It might be nice to be rewarded for being a long-standing member or contributing to the community... It'd also give more value to an account and discourage bad behaviour somewhat.

I'd suggest a time-based ranking system that can be accelerated by meaningful contributions, with any elitism resulting on a warning then loss of a rank. But that's just me. =)

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I'm willing to give Iceman's old idea a try...provided we can find names that no person can use against others without looking stupid.

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Posted by: Mabian
I'm willing to give Iceman's old idea a try...provided we can find names that no person can use against others without looking stupid.


Actually, I thought you came up with a much better idea of giving us some sort of name that's humorous, while not a "rank" in the least bit.

All in all though, I think the reason we're just members is to.......remind us of our place? I dunno. I like to think of it as a private school where we all wear uniforms and there are various students who may have different designs, then other students who "patrol the halls," so to speak :-) Then there's the staff, who have the "special" uniforms.

It might be worth a shot. But it would have to be something that makes everyone feel equal. Sometimes people on this site can mistake little things like that for "seniority" or something.

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  • 11.29.2006 6:22 AM PDT

Posted by: AkJak
Again, the problem comes in the form of elitism. People would rub their higher ranks in others faces.

Also, regulars members would want to be higher ranks and would start all kinds of messes. It's not worth it. But good suggestion.

-Akjak


The people who would be elitist about a rank wouldn't get one. The ranks would be given out to good members of the community, and good members aren't elitist. And if they are causing such a huge problem, then they'd be blacklisted, don't you think?

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You came up with the original idea. The community simply fleshed out that ultimate idea. I'm merely willing to not argue against it.

In relation to different names for members, I think that the wish to feel individual is enough to warrant such a system. Mind you that I do not agree with the idea of it, but since I am one of only a handful of people, I am outweighed. Therefore, if a system is going to be built, I'll support it so long as it is good.

In relation to gaining ranks for length of time as a member, post quality, and so on, I am 100% against it. I utterly despise the idea that a good person needs something physical in order to prove they are good. You don't need to act elitist explicitly in order to be one. And remember what happened to Agamemnon...

  • 11.29.2006 7:21 AM PDT
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Even though I would like some more individual customization on this site, we have proven time and again that we (as a whole community) cannot handle the responsibility without some kind of elitism rearing it ugly head. I wish that we could, but we simply can't.

The only possibility of a responsible reaction occurring in regards to anything that might differentiate members from each other is little extras like the theme master title, because you actually have to work offsite to get that.

Which would make me think that some extra ranks might be plausible if they're given to those who show a real commitment to the community both on and off of the site.
Such as;
People who build Bungie related web-sites. The criteria for this would have to be discussed and agreed to by the web team or the Superusers, rewarding those who have actually contributed to the community by creating something innovative and relevant. These kinds of people get a front page story, so if their committed and responsible, why not a special rank? Also those who submit fan art in the Gallery and win something could be given a prize of a temporary special rank or something.

Perhaps there are some more extra community contributions that might warrant a title. I haven't thought this through, so I don't really have many ideas, but it seems like it might work.

Well, the idea is out there at least. Pick it apart and find the problems with it and maybe we can come up with a solution to submit to the web team.

  • 11.29.2006 8:11 AM PDT
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Maybe not ranks but how about number of posts?

  • 11.29.2006 10:49 AM PDT

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Again, people would spam forums to get their post count up. It's not worth the hassle, and really detracts from the point of this forum.

We're here to discuss and talk with Bungie. We're here to discuss and talk about their games.

We're not here to see who has more post counts. Besides that, anyone can be in higher regard than others, depending on the member. What matters in posting is not on the left side of your post. Or below it.

It's the content. It's what you say. It's how nice (or mean) of a person you are. That says plenty about you that a custom title, or any other title, could never say.

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Well, I agree and not. A post count may encourage some to post meaningless drivle. But if that is the case it would also get them to a bannable/blacklistable point quicker (weeding would go faster).
A postive is also to encourage posting and activity. Not that this is a big problem here but eh.
Also, I think that it would be clear to all an intelligent 1000 post poster from a idiotic 1000 post poster.
I also think it would be nice to see those people, such as yourself zag, that have contributed a bit to the site.

(this really isn't that important, just advocating for the devil)

  • 11.29.2006 11:39 AM PDT

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Well, I agree and not. A post count may encourage some to post meaningless drivle. But if that is the case it would also get them to a bannable/blacklistable point quicker (weeding would go faster).
A postive is also to encourage posting and activity. Not that this is a big problem here but eh.
Also, I think that it would be clear to all an intelligent 1000 post poster from a idiotic 1000 post poster.
I also think it would be nice to see those people, such as yourself zag, that have contributed a bit to the site.


I enjoy that compliment, but I'm not really worried about having a custom title. I was just talking to someone who suggested we get Achronos or other members of the online team to hold weekly or monthly "Member of The Week/Month" awards, possibly awarding custom avatars, but even then, it's not really a big deal to me. (For the record, this person is a semi-prominent member of the Wizards of The Coast boards, where they hold things like that quite often. Heck, the admins even changed some of the long-time members avatars to My Little Pony on April Fools, and some of them even kept them as such.. Weirdos. But overall, they do have fun on those boards, not to say we never do.)

Bungie has roughly 60x6 avatars. That should leave people unique enough. I mean, look through this thread, everyone has a different avatar. And if you truly want to be unique (and have XBL), you can use your emblem.

Of course, you suggest banning/blacklisting people who post just to get count up, but it's easily disguisable. The most pointless thread. And people that hang out in the flood often can get their post count up by just posting in each thread, saying something like "This is funny." or "Lol". Of course, I don't imagine it'd be too tough to weed out the good and the bad...

Honestly? If some member of the web team really think any such actions are a good idea, then they can go ahead, but I think I can live without them.

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  • 11.29.2006 11:49 AM PDT

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I don't think ranks are such a great idea. Sure, groups have them and smaller forums do, but when you've got such a huge forum, it get's kinda iffy.

  • 11.29.2006 11:59 AM PDT
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I do enjoy your custom avatar for a "member of the month/week" idea. It is a way that a member could be singled out for quality. This keeps that power out of the hands of the poster and wouldn't lead to spam posting.

Top shelf zag!

  • 11.29.2006 12:02 PM PDT

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Give the elitist rank to everyone and the problem is solved.

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Posted by: EAGLES5
Give the elitist rank to everyone and the problem is solved.

I've got a great idea for such a rank name.

"Member"

[Edited on 11/29/2006]

  • 11.29.2006 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: EAGLES5
Give the elitist rank to everyone and the problem is solved.


That might work too.. ..

:P

Honestly, if anything got added around here, I'm still lobbying for the "Text Color in Groups" thing. That's a change I'd love, whereas all these other ideas are so-so.

[Edited on 11/29/2006]

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