- Pink Menace
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It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.
Posted by: AkJak
Again, the problem comes in the form of elitism. People would rub their higher ranks in others faces.
Also, regulars members would want to be higher ranks and would start all kinds of messes. It's not worth it. But good suggestion.
-Akjak
I didn't see any evidence here. He had his opinion, which he's entitled to, but I argue with facts.
Posted by: AkJak
Because not just one or two people would do it. Everybody would. We used to have a "post count" on these forums. Ever wonder why we don't anymore?
It's not an excuse, it is one of many reasons.
-Akjak
Again, it's an opinion. He shows no example of everyone being elitist in an enviroment which permits it.
Posted by: AkJak
Elitists like to feel good about themselves by cutting down or making themselves look better than other people. Not unlike women.
If they went somewhere else, new ones would come here. It's a fact of life.
-Akjak
I don't disagree with the first part, but again, no evidence. Why is it a fact of life? Is it a fact of life that elitism is unpunishable?
Posted by: Scythe252
We really don't need ranks. The result would be the same as join dates. Ever notice why they aren't there? Older guys at b.net thought they were better than the newer ones. Ranks would do the same. Plus, it's just a title. The only thing you can really base it off is posts, and some guy can just spam for the heck of it.
Join dates were not removed because older members were abusing them. They were removed because they served no purpose. On occasion they were used as ammo, but I've never seen it becoming a problem. Most cases that used join dates as somethign to argue with were justified.
And how do you know ranks would do the same? A rank can be taken away. A join date can't, aside from being banned. There's incentive not to be a jerk with it. Either wear your rank responsibly, or don't wear it at all.
Posted by: evilcam
Even though I would like some more individual customization on this site, we have proven time and again that we (as a whole community) cannot handle the responsibility without some kind of elitism rearing it ugly head. I wish that we could, but we simply can't.
Rest was snipped, was other ideas and not against ranks.
Examples? When has "elitism reared its ugly head... time and time again"? I don't recall this, and I've been here awhile.
Posted by: Scythe252
I don't think ranks are such a great idea. Sure, groups have them and smaller forums do, but when you've got such a huge forum, it get's kinda iffy.
Again, no evidence. At Scythe didn't pretend he was stating a fact. It seemed to me that he knew it was an opinion.
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Posted by: Snap Dragon
Posted by: Pink Menace
Posted by: Snap Dragon
I think those who have posted before me have made quite valid points. Save us both some time and please go back and read them.
Don't insult me by assuming I haven't read the previous page. There were no valid points in my eyes. People were repeating the same nonsense. They have no way to back up their statements that it would spark elitism. The only instance which it has been implemented in worked! Why are people here so afraid to add ranks? All the evidence says that as long as we were careful it would be fine. All of it. I didn't see any solid evidence explaining the position opposite of mine. It was all a statement without any sources, fact or anything resembling either of them. It was all opinion.
And your argument isn't opinionated in any way?
It's not so much elitism (in my opinion), as it is people's inability to handle such a thing. It happened with coloured text, it happened with the join date, and it happened with the post count (very old feature).
The reason Theme Master worked was because those who got the rank were upstanding members of the b.net community, who were willing to put time and effort into making a theme, and not jeapordize their place on the site by being an elitist jerk.
It happened with colored text because there was no risk of losing colored text. If it was a gift given for a certain amount of work you did that could be revoked at any time do you think people would have abused it? I don't think they would have. As stated above, people never really abused their join dates and I think it was a bad decision to remove them. The post count was doomed from the start. We have evidence to support it. Every forum I've been in with a post count is a mess. But I've never seen a forum with just ranks, no post count, so there isn't a really good example of this.
Heh. See, I was thinking this whole time that ranks would be given to upstanding citizens of the community who earned them. What was your idea? Give it to any person who asks for it?
And mine was hardly opinionated compared to those arguing against me.
To ICEMAN: I can see where you're coming from. I dont' think we all have the same standards for giving out a title. For me, a title would have to be earned. It wouldn't be easy to get. It would take time and dedication to get any sort of rank, and when you did get it you'd better be damn sure not to be the slightest bit elitist with it or you're back to square one.
[Edited on 11/29/2006]