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Yes, I am the original Logical Thinking, AkA The Pezza Hacker, The Revolution, Logic, Pillogical, KSI Se7en 7, Death v2, SbK Leader, etc.

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Logical Thinking is a friggin' genious.
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  • 11.29.2006 10:15 PM PDT
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I suspect I know who you are talking about. But, as long as being a helpful member isn't confused with being a "forum cop".

-Cloud-

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  • 11.29.2006 10:37 PM PDT

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Yeah, I hate forum copping. Some people seem to think that they can act all smart and witty by enforcing the rules when that's not their job. I've seen on numerous occasions in "blog" threads... people rush to get the "The Flood is not your blog." comment in. I hate that comment personally, because I doubt anyone in the Flood really cares if someone posts a blog... in fact, you shouldn't care because you have the choice of not clicking on the thread at all. Let the mods do their job... we don't need people being asses.

  • 11.29.2006 10:44 PM PDT
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This is off-topic and belongs in the Flood because it is Spammy Spam Spam! :P

I really have no problem with it as long as they aren't completely giving out wrong advice. But hey, I usually just don't pay attention to them honestly.

  • 11.29.2006 10:48 PM PDT

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Not necessarily. "Forum copping" is meant to be a good thing. A reinforcement of the rules. The problem is, it's

1. The people who abuse it.
2. The people who take it the wrong way.

Naturally a good "forum cop" would know the difference between total spam/trolling and an honest mistake. Those who deliberately do not are just ignoarantly looking for trouble.

One can see them as an annoyance, yes, but maybe it's that person's perspective that is off. Maybe they see it as some pompous know-it-all with an inferiority complex who flaunts their self-seen superiority to those they see to be lower than them, when in essence, it could be someone who just wants to help out.

Or, someone trying to earn brownie points with the mods, eh?

  • 11.29.2006 10:49 PM PDT
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Location: Outlaws' Summit.

Apologies for the Copy/Paste post I'm giving you here, but it's too much to attempt to type again:

[hr]I still think people are getting Forum Cop, Mod wannabe, and Helpful Member confused. But I can see why some people can get them confused, as it's sometimes a fine line between the three.

Hows about a little role play?
Lets say we see a post like this in New Mombasa:

Posted by:Eager new member
what do you guys think is going to be the new weapons in halo 3?


Now this kind of post is usually met with spam/flames, but when it's not, it's usually one of the three types of members who replies in their own unique way.

Posted by:"Mod Wannabe"
Posted by:Eager new member
what do you guys think is going to be the new weapons in halo 3?

Locked.


See what happened? The user replied to the thread only to cast judgement on it. This is probably a lot more annoying to see, as who are we members to decide what stays and what goes?

Scenario #2:

Posted by:"Forum Cop"
Posted by:Eager new member
what do you guys think is going to be the new weapons in halo 3?


This should go Here


Now this is a little more accepted than a "Mod wannabe" response, as the user is trying to help. Providing a link for a new member who doesn't even notice the box of links is a good gesture, but if it's a member who knows where the stuff is, links aren't necessary, and may be seen as patronizing the thread creator in question. That's why it's such a delicate thing- if you're going to do it, do it right (and try not to come off as cocky or anything like that.)

Scenario #3:

Posted by:"Helpful member"
Posted by:Eager new member
what do you guys think is going to be the new weapons in halo 3?


Well, I'm glad to see the Battle rifle returning. And they need to balance the sword a bit. What do you think? Oh, and this may be a little better suited for the Halo 3 forum, hopefully a mod will move it.


Here's what a "Helpful Member" will do. They're interacting with said user, and attempting to be of assisstance along the way. Now, he does do a little Forum copping, as seen by him pointing out to the Halo 3 forum. But his intention is to contribute to thread, then try to aid the user in getting to know what goes where.

There's a fine line with this stuff. Sometimes one will spill over to the other, but it's more or less clear to define these members who attempt to "better" the Forum.

I know it's the mod's job to clean up and whatnot, and I'm sure they enjoy pointing people in the right direction and making the typical new member's experience all the more worth while. But they aren't always there to make sure stuff like this is handled. That's why we have members who try to aid when they can, or direct people in the right direction for future notice.

It's just that it's difficult to tell when the situation calls for it sometimes.
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This was from an earlier thread, and I think it accurately portrays what a member who's at least trying to help will do.

However, I'm just going to right out say it- the term "Forum Cop" has become negative in these times. But there are people who will still consider themselves "Forum Cops" even though they more closer mirror the actions of "Helpful Members."

I like how Mabian does it. He makes sure the user he's helping is comfortable with his assistance, and never attempts to degrade said user whatsoever.

Sometimes it can be tough "Forum Copping." That's why it's sort of a 'Lost art,' so to speak. The people that don't do it right is what made the term became negative.

All in all, people want to help, or at least that should be their goal. Not recognition, not superiority, and not 'mod points.' Because moderators do appreciate the help (or so I'm lead to believe) but you have to know when the appropiate time to help is, and when the appropiate time to let them do their job is.

  • 11.29.2006 11:11 PM PDT

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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

I'm a non-traditional forum cop...wanna know why? If I see a thread that someone did something wrong, or the put something in the wrong forum, I send them a PM and explain what they did wrong, or why (such as wrong forum). I DO NOT reply in their thread the vast majority of the times. Then I find a mod and report the thread and it gets locked. That way no one gets put on the spot in their own thread, it gets locked or moved, and eveything is right in the world. Most of the time you don't even know I'm doing it.

See, I like to move stealthy....almost NINJA-esque O.o

~B.B.

edited for spelling: because I thought "stop" was somehow "spot"...I guess I'm dyslecsic (sp)

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  • 11.29.2006 11:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Logical Thinking
Matt, im going to be as nice about this as possible... please dont post in this thread again. Your actions tonight are really sickening.


I will post in this thread if I damn well feel like it. And I don't think you have a lot of room to pass judgement on others for being "sickening" when you yourself have repeatedly made posts with context like "Go eat another donut, you fat forum cop!".

So because I spoke my mind, that makes me sickening? Don't deny it. That's exactly what I did. I spoke my mind. Do you know why I was blasé about her leaving?

Because I, on several occasions, opened up to her, attempted to get to know her, and she shunned me. Not only that, she also treated me like crap later on.

So, when someone treats you like that, you try to be sympathetic about them leaving.

  • 11.29.2006 11:16 PM PDT
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I'm a non-traditional forum cop...wanna know why? If I see a thread that someone did something wrong, or the put something in the wrong forum, I send them a PM and explain what they did wrong, or why (such as wrong forum). I DO NOT reply in their thread the vast majority of the times. Then I find a mod and report the thread and it gets locked. That way no one gets put on the stop in their own thread, it gets locked or moved, and everything is right in the world. Most of the time you don't even know I'm doing it.

See, I like to move stealthy....almost NINJA-esque O.o

~B.B.


Same with myself. I believe that is how it should be done. People don't need to be embarrassed in public about simply posting in the wrong forum or whatnot.

-Cloud-

  • 11.29.2006 11:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Logical Thinking
And that is a great way of doing it...

Also, Iceman... I have no problem with "helpful people" but the forum cops who make it a point to degrade others in their posts need to leave. It is ok to be helpful, but there is no need to be a dick, which is why I think the poster above me has such a good system. He makes it a point to not disrupt the thread, get any flamebait, or cause a problem.

If you must be a forum cop, do it like this guy


Exactly, "forum cops" are not helpful members, they feed trolls generally IMO and actually add to the mess.


And likewise, helpful members should not be viewed as "forum cops".

-Cloud-

  • 11.29.2006 11:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Blasph3mY
Posted by: Logical Thinking
And that is a great way of doing it...

Also, Iceman... I have no problem with "helpful people" but the forum cops who make it a point to degrade others in their posts need to leave. It is ok to be helpful, but there is no need to be a dick, which is why I think the poster above me has such a good system. He makes it a point to not disrupt the thread, get any flamebait, or cause a problem.

If you must be a forum cop, do it like this guy


Exactly, "forum cops" are not helpful members, they feed trolls generally IMO and actually add to the mess.
I've always thought of forum cops as being trolls in a different form.

  • 11.29.2006 11:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Blasph3mY
Thats true, a example for me is that Iceman is a helpful member (a bloody good one at that) and (don't flame me for this, I'll no doubt get blacklisted for another reason later) Mattblu is a forum cop, talking to a troll feeds it obviously while a helpful member PM's them etc like that BB guy (Who I've noticed before) does a good job. Thanks to the helpful members.


Simply posting in their thread does not make one a "forum cop". You evidently do not see me much, because I don't post in troll's threads. If there's someone who I believe to have made an honest mistake, I will correct them.

Now, will you please get off my back?

  • 11.29.2006 11:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

I remember that Shishka used to LOVE LOVE LOVE to ban "forum cops". He'd give them 7-day vacations, and it was awesome! Now I posted a thread a few days ago in the flood. My thread had to do with a specific action, which was to challenge someone to a 1 v. 1 game after a game you played. I used an example from that night about when I was playing Halo 2, and how someone pissed me off, so I challenged him to a 1 v. 1 game. Now, it wasn't more then 10 minutes after I started the thread that I think 3 people told me that I posted in the wrong forum. Hmmm...really...I asked a generic question with an example that dealt with Halo 2, so I'm pretty sure the correct forum would have been the Flood. What bothered me was the amount of people that were trying to tell me I was doing something incorrectly when I knew for a fact that I was not....even after I explained why I was not incorrect. It wasn't until a Mod came in and ruled in my favor that the discussion finally ended...but by that time the thread was lost.

I've been called a forum cop before, and I don't care, but I've learned that the best way is to stay in the shadows.

~B.B.

  • 11.29.2006 11:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Blasph3mY
I'm not TRYING to be on your back


Well, you're succeeding. This whole week, I've had a lot of crap from the community. Someone making a nearly identical account to mine and spamming the forums, my groups nearly being destroyed by said trolls, and the general nonsense has been intensified. This isn't exactly on the top of the list of things I need.

I've had a bad week. Cut me a little slack, please.

  • 11.29.2006 11:34 PM PDT

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I'm leaving. Logical Thinking, you too. Please cut me a little slack. I've had a rough, stressful week.

I'm not exactly a person to hold grudges. It was recent when that happened, so I have reason to still be irked.

And, perhaps, my mind was in a negative state at that time. You know, you could just let me speak my mind, and have it at that. You need not respond. Maybe it's just frustration venting, maybe it's not. Just because it's there doesn't mean attention needs to be drawn to it.

I have the right to speak my mind, and if it happens to be negatively, so be it.

  • 11.29.2006 11:38 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Alright guys, sorry if this seems to be a contradiction of what I just said, but maybe your discussion doesn't need to be on the public forums. It seems that this thread is because of a specific event between the two of you, and you'd probably be better served if you talked about it using PM's. I'd PM both of you to tell you this, but I think this would better serve.

~B.B.

  • 11.29.2006 11:38 PM PDT

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