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Posted by: Logical Thinking
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Posted by: Blasph3mY
I'm not TRYING to be on your back


Well, you're succeeding. This whole week, I've had a lot of crap from the community. Someone making a nearly identical account to mine and spamming the forums, my groups nearly being destroyed by said trolls, and the general nonsense has been intensified. This isn't exactly on the top of the list of things I need.

I've had a bad week. Cut me a little slack, please.


So you had a bad week and decided to take it out on someone who was leaving the community? Wow, you keep making yourself look worse.


You need to stop twisting my words. I said I was having a bad week. I didn't say I was taking it out on someone who was leaving. Hell, I wasn't "taking it out" to begin with.

And, as I stated earlier, I'm tired, and I'm going to bed now.

[Edited on 11/29/2006]

  • 11.29.2006 11:39 PM PDT

There's only one kind of metal, and it's black.

Posted by: King Picollo
Beer = win

If you see someone being one, it's just as someone being a troll. Ignore them. If they cannot realize that their efforts merely knocked the topic up the boards, which attracts trolls even more, then that's their problem.

This issue does not need to be discussed in any more words than that. It doesn't take a 200 word essay to explain such a simple issue, as I am a big fan of concision.

[Edited on 11/30/2006]

  • 11.30.2006 12:49 AM PDT
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Damnit, leave matt alone.

OK, Logical, this is the first time I've come across you, so my opinion of you is subject to change. But right now, I think you are being a total ass. Flame me all you want, you'll just be proving my point.

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  • 11.30.2006 1:32 AM PDT

There's only one kind of metal, and it's black.

Posted by: King Picollo
Beer = win

Posted by: Logical Thinking
Well, wouldnt moderators telling them this help the situation, as they clearly care so much about the rules.


Yes, but you can't make a written rule for everything. It's just too time consuming.

Many written documents, famous ones at that, have this implicit rule. This means that if it's not written down, but by common sense you could justify the action as being intolerable or deplorable, it may be considered by the majority to be an action avoided.

Since being a "forum cop" is synonymous to bumping, it is looked down upon by moderators and there is a written rule for that.

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  • 11.30.2006 1:34 AM PDT

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No, the reason y i say that is because many people are not trusted enough to do it. The mods do a desent job anyway

  • 11.30.2006 6:26 AM PDT
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"Whatever exists, whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. These anonymous creatures may seem little or nothing in the world. Yet the smallest crumb can devour us. Any smallest thing beneath yon rock out of men's knowing. Only nature can enslave man and only when the existence of each last entity is routed out and made to stand naked before him will he be properly suzerain of the earth."

One thing that confounds me is how we, as a community, seem to be unable to figure out a definition for a term. Kilroy once got a vacation for being "a forum cop," and decided to assimilate the term. He wrote a guide, and it's a damn fine one at that. So for a while, being a Forum Cop was a good thing. Then people seeing it as an opportunity to prove their superiority, suck up to the mods/Achronos, and so on came along. Now 95% of the Forum Cops are these bad members, and then the people who originally gained the name (which would in effect include just about everyone in the Septagon to some degree) were looked down upon, since they were Forum Cops. Nice ones, good ones, but FCs nonetheless.

Can we decide if being a Forum Cop is bad or not? I clung to the name because I saw it as a term applied to an action, but if it's bad I need to know so I can stop defending it.

[Edited on 11/30/2006]

  • 11.30.2006 6:41 AM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

Posted by: Blasph3mY
Yeah Blasph3mY is finished. I just thought I'd contribute a little to the topic of "forum copping" before I get blacklisted again.

Your wish is granted.

I'm not going to go into the semantics of what is and isn't a forum cop; instead I'm going to lay out what I do and don't like to see.

I like to see people respnding to situations by being helpful in a polite and legible way. "how do i link my gamertag plz?" "Oh, you do this and then this. There, you're done!"

I do not like to come into a spam topic and find that six people posted "omg bant" or "locked in 5... 4... 3..." before anyone thought of sending us a PM. If you find spam, don't even reply to it. Just report it to the nearest ninja and wait for the airstrike.

Furthermore, I get really pissed off when you punks decide you have the right to tell others where they can and can't post. I'm not talking about "this should be in New Mombasa" posts, I'm talking about things like what LT said to Matt a page back. Don't do that.

I am I being fairly clear?

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  • 11.30.2006 7:11 AM PDT
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Being a former forum cop (and sometimes a bad one at that), I can say that correcting someone is fine, but please be nice about it. Don't go "JEEZE YOU DUMBHEAD, NEW MOMBASA FOR HALO BK".

That said, I was a bad forum cop if someone contradicted my rule statement. But in my defence, I would have PMed moderators if there was an easier way to tell who was on (like there is now), which is also a good idea if you want to be a helpful member.

-TGP-

  • 11.30.2006 7:16 AM PDT

If contributing and helping is considered bad, then perhaps the moderators should be called scum.

The forum cops that you've run into aren't really "forum cops". They are mod-wannabes.

  • 11.30.2006 7:20 AM PDT
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To be honest, the process of becoming what I am at the moment going to call a "real Forum Cop" is slow and steady. I think the analogy applied here is "You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs." In other words, no one starts out as a real Forum Cop. You have to make mistakes and learn the correct process in going through everything. Now, of course, you can't tell who wants to be a good person and who just wants the white text, so we can't simply expect that every member we see now pointing out the rules will eventually become our Agricola. And sometimes, the only way for a member to learn what's right and wrong is to get a vacation.

So perhaps rather than getting mad about these people, maybe we should tell them what is acceptable and unacceptable, or leave them be and hope they figure it out on their own without getting blacklisted.

  • 11.30.2006 7:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mabian
So perhaps rather than getting mad about these people, maybe we should tell them what is acceptable and unacceptable, or leave them be and hope they figure it out on their own without getting blacklisted.


Exactly.

You're correct in that it is a learning process. But these days, people who want to contribute are really jumping the gun.

As Bob pointed out, people who say "Locked in 3....2....1" are just unbearable. I don't even know if that's Forum Copping, because it isn't supposed to be (though people claim it is) but whatever it is, it needs to stop.

Also, members who say "This thread is getting locked" need to stop doing that. Really. Because then the replies are always something like "STFU Forum Cop" and whatnot. Actually, this happened as recently as yesterday. A member in The Flood thought a thread wasn't appropiate, and started saying "This is getting locked" and added more fuel to fire with statements like "Why isn't this locked and blacklisted?"

Stuff like that is what give "Forum Cops" a bad name. That's why I break it up into "Mod Wannabe," "Forum Cop" and "Helpful Members."

Helpful Members are what Forum Cops are supposed to be. Or at least, they were. There are still some members out there who will do it right, but sometimes too often. I used to do it a lot until I realized it's much easier (and preferred) to just report it.

Now, coming in and saying "Easy on the Quote Pyramid" can be skewed. You need to be delicate and let them know what's wrong. Don't say "You're making a quote pyramid, you're getting banned." Because even if it's true, members should never ever tell another member that he's getting banned, because it's not in his place to. Especially when it's not even a bannable offense (just one that requires a thread lock.)

We know people want to help. They just need to learn how to do it right.

  • 11.30.2006 8:19 AM PDT

Posted by: Logical Thinking
I already apoligized to him via PM about this and the personal side of this matter is resolved, however, we still need some type of ruling by a moderator explaining to the forums why "mod wannabes"(used this term to please maibian :) ) are doing the wrong things, then we need some type of action to be taken against these people.


So what about the people who are genuinely helpful? The people who are just trying to contribute to the website instead of joining in on the mindless spam that goes on? Are the helpful people going to become extinct?

  • 11.30.2006 8:21 AM PDT
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Sorry Bob, but I'm still troubled with those semantics. I need to know, from the community (which is tough to get a single opinion out of), if Kilroy's assimilation of the term still stands as it was meant by him, or if these people have skewed the name so much that it has taken on a new meaning. I'm defending this term after all. I'd like to know that I'm actually defending a good name that's being constantly misinterpreted as a bad action. I think Hobo Grunt is asking the same question, too.

We all definitely agree that members who say "Locked in 3...2...1..." or anything of the like deserve to be punished. And I think the mods do tend to hand out punishments for those kind of things. I think the only reason we see it is that the mods are willing to give these members warnings and give them a second chance. In this case, Logical, are you simply asking that members that do this be banned on sight?

  • 11.30.2006 8:41 AM PDT

Posted by: Logical Thinking
What I am saying is that helpful people are one thing and forum cops are another. Flaimbaiting and things of that sort dont come from helpful members, we all know this. I am not saying ban the guy that makes a full response, and then at the end of his post he puts a lil BTW, you might get more hits in new mombasa, because thats where threads like this normally are.


A rule like the one you are suggestion would discourage helpful members, in my opinion. There would be a very thin line between what's acceptable and what isn't, and I'm sure that line would be accidentally crossed by a genuinely helpful member. They'd be blacklisted, and start to think that contributing is a bad thing.

  • 11.30.2006 10:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Logical Thinking
What I am saying is that helpful people are one thing and forum cops are another. Flaimbaiting and things of that sort dont come from helpful members, we all know this. I am not saying ban the guy that makes a full response, and then at the end of his post he puts a lil BTW, you might get more hits in new mombasa, because thats where threads like this normally are.


A rule like the one you are suggestion would discourage helpful members, in my opinion. There would be a very thin line between what's acceptable and what isn't, and I'm sure that line would be accidentally crossed by a genuinely helpful member. They'd be blacklisted, and start to think that contributing is a bad thing.


Helpful members are a good thing and The system thats in place will most likely stay because too many people would be blacklisted if they type something a little off topic. IN all reality everyone does it and some point of another

  • 11.30.2006 10:31 AM PDT

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Call me crazy, but wouldnt just PMing a mod about rules infractions be the simplest way to handle these things? That way no one gets the tag of forum cop/wannabe mod. If the thread is in the wrong forum, PM a mod, and he will move it if necessary. If its spam, PM a mod. If people are flaming each other, PM a mod.

This was the solution suggested by Achronos, and I dont see whats so difficult about it.

If you want to be a forum / helpful member, then PM a mod, dont waste your time trying to "correct" people. If anyone wants to be a forum cop, then so be it. In my eyes by choosing to play forum cop you lose your right to complain about people treating you as such.

PM a mod an no one gets thier feelings hurt.

  • 11.30.2006 10:51 AM PDT
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Now that you've taken the time to look at my sig, I actually regret not providing you with something more worthwhile.

Forum copping is fun if you do it right. It gives you an excuse to argue with someone in a thread that was already doomed to die. However, the guys that just copy and paste the rules are irritating. If you're gonna forum cop, do it the fun way. If someone bumps a thread, call his momma whore. It they're in the wrong forum, assume they're retarded. The thread will die and you get to have a bit of fun at the expense of someone probably much younger and newer to the forums.


What do you mean I'm an -blam!-?

  • 11.30.2006 11:21 AM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
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Posted by: Logical Thinking
See what I mean?


If you mean that the girl from Ipanema is tall and tan and young and lovely, then yes.

ahh.

  • 11.30.2006 12:03 PM PDT

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