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Subject: Just wonderin how people felt about the more balanced weapons.
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They arent more balanced, considering the new rocket launcher.

  • 05.24.2004 3:39 PM PDT
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i think whatever bungie does they did it for a reason, i bet no one will even miss the pistol after the game comes out

  • 05.24.2004 3:39 PM PDT
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The pistol wont be missed, seen as the new assault rifle is a single shot weapon when using zoom, just like the pistol.
I like the look of the new needler, as i wasnt a big fan of that in the multiplayer game in Halo.
I am quite apprehensive about the new "lock on" rocket launcher though, that may make things a little too easy for my liking, or too difficult if your in a vehicle!
One thing I am looking forward to using is the stationary guns, they look fun! :D

  • 05.24.2004 3:42 PM PDT
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I always thought the pistol as a weapon is pretty damn good. but the point is it was meant to be a pistol (that means is your side-arm, your secondary weapon) It should have been less accurate, without zoom and lower calibre than the rifle and the rfile the other way round. I assume thats why they've changed the rifle, or maybe just cos the rifle was like pointing a popcorn maker into the wind.

Bungie know their stuff and balanced weapons make for a better game, rather than just having a doom style all-beating super weapon. Mind you I am worried about the rocket thing myself, the long shot time was what stopped it being close to a super-weapon...

  • 05.24.2004 3:45 PM PDT

No, the pistol was meant to be just as good as the other weapons - that's the idea of balance.

  • 05.24.2004 3:49 PM PDT
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I think the pistol in halo 2 (if there is one) will be weaker and meant as a last resort

  • 05.24.2004 3:49 PM PDT
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Thats another thing, was it just me or did the Rocket Launcher have a much higher RoF, cos thats gonna make it even harder than it really needs to be!

  • 05.24.2004 3:50 PM PDT
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The new rocket launcher is not gonna be overpowered. In the E3 demo it too the guy like 4 shots to blow up the warthog and the only reason the driver died was because the warthog blew up. The new rocket launcher is gonna be balanced. Trust me and Bungie.

  • 05.24.2004 4:01 PM PDT
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Weapon balancement is far more important the most aspects in a game...

BTW, don't jump to conclusions with the rocket launcher in Halo 2... We don't know probably all the differences between Halo 2's RL and Halo's RL just yet... Nor do we know how well it will track (I think it was made better in the presentation just so you could tell it was implemented...)

  • 05.24.2004 4:12 PM PDT
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This is a good point, I didnt really notice any frantic efforts from the hog driver to lose the missle. I hereby put all my faith into Bungie to make a fair and supoib game!

  • 05.24.2004 4:24 PM PDT
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The rocket launcher is a laugh in Halo 2 now. I don't know why people are worried about it. Just about everytime you fired the rocket launcher in Halo1 you fired it at the ground directly in front of your target. Now, with the much higher jumping ability you can dodge rockets with greater ease.

What I would more worry about is that Vehicles will prove unstoppable. Rocket Launchers aren't all that common and you can't give one to every infantryman.

  • 05.24.2004 4:41 PM PDT
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It looked like the battle rifle tore through the ghost pretty well, and accurate enough shooting could take out the wheels of the hog making it harder to handle, so i dont think vehicles will be over powered!

  • 05.24.2004 4:44 PM PDT
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All interesting conversation. A couple of things:
-It looks to me like the rockets not only track but travel considerably faster.
-It also looks like maybe they do less damage considering the survival rate in the demo
-I suspect Bungie is converting the rocket from a short range weapon to a medium range weapon (the original slammed at close range but sucked at any range). So this means they will make it suckier at close range somehow... maybe no aim assist, maybe it lags really bad when you spin,... who knows. -Another thought is that maybe the rocket can only lock on vehicles. This would make it a good way to counter boosting ghosts.

-Concerning the pistol:
1 if you listen to the Pete Parsons interview I think he says "no comment" to whether the pistol returns or not.
2 if you read the First Strike book you will remember when the chief gets his new battle rifle. They spend lots of time describing it. They also describe a new pistol which is higher caliber. -I think there will be a new pistol which is higher caliber, no zoom, less accurate, and less clip capacity. This would make it fit somewhere between the battlerifle and the smg,etc. in terms of effective range. So that makes sense to me.

Just my guesses. In anycase people, this is Bungie...the masters of balance. Any change they make is for really good reason.
Peace

  • 05.24.2004 5:36 PM PDT
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I always thought the balance was what made halo a kick ass game.

  • 05.24.2004 5:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Endnote
It looked like the battle rifle tore through the ghost pretty well, and accurate enough shooting could take out the wheels of the hog making it harder to handle, so i dont think vehicles will be over powered!


This could be like the hog, they made the Battle Rifle kill it faster so it wouldn't take 15 minutes other wise...

  • 05.24.2004 5:40 PM PDT
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These are really good insights people but remember, bungie has a lot of time to change anything they want. They could make any weapon weaker or stronger, we just have to wait.

  • 05.24.2004 5:41 PM PDT
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That is very true although i think that they could release the game now and it would blow people away. I am very happy that they are really putting effort into this game.

I don't think the pistol will be missed because all of the new features are going to make that seem very small. I wonder if they are going to mess with the power of the sniper rifle?

  • 05.25.2004 9:57 AM PDT
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SMG and a Needler doesn't sound very balanced especially after what it did to Wort in the E3 vid

  • 05.25.2004 10:00 AM PDT
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yeah but wort was just standing there.

  • 05.25.2004 11:41 AM PDT
Subject: Just wonderin how people felt about the more balanced weapons.
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I was just wondering if you guys are into the more balaced weapons, and if you agree with Bungie getting rid of the pistol?

Also how do you think it will the change the feel of multiplayer games?

[Edited on 5/24/2004 3:39:00 PM]

  • 05.24.2004 3:37 PM PDT
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Yes, that is true but also remeber that this is bungie and each weapon has its place now. Form base defense to offense whatever the case maybe i think that there will be a weapon to please that situation.

  • 05.25.2004 12:33 PM PDT
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Yeah, I agree the pistol would be useless anyway, so it will not be missed. I am not so sure how balanced the needler will be, especially when dual wielded. It looks very powerful.

  • 05.25.2004 2:36 PM PDT
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That is very true although i think that they could release the game now and it would blow people away. I am very happy that they are really putting effort into this game.

I don't think the pistol will be missed because all of the new features are going to make that seem very small. I wonder if they are going to mess with the power of the sniper rifle?


I hope not, the sniper rifle should still be as powerful, I just want it to be not as simple and easy to use...

  • 05.25.2004 2:54 PM PDT
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Yeah all pretty good insights, so here's my two cents:

Dont worry yourself about how powerful anything looked in the demo, they are in the process of tweaking everything to perfection right now, everything we saw in the demo will probably be changed one way or another. I am a little apprehensive about the rocket lock, but as I just said, they'll balance it out. The needler and smg that ripped through the Elite looked really powerful, but he stood still, and I think what someone mentioned before about them making things more powerful for time's sake is a good argument.

I dont see the pistol coming back in the way it was in Halo1, no where close. The battle rifle takes the place of that weapon easily, but I do believe there will be a pistol. As someone mentioned, in First Strike they get a new, more powerful pistol. So with no zoom (I hope) think of it as a small shotgun slug with more accuracy :)

[Edited on 5/25/2004 3:12:56 PM]

  • 05.25.2004 3:11 PM PDT
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I think if they bring back the pistol, it will be a slower firing, really powerful gun a lot like a desert eagle. I'm not saying it would look like one, but would be that type of gun. the kind of thing that you run from. That way, it could be the counter for a very fast, innaccurate, and relatively weak SMG. Also, i think the Ghost blew up WAY too easily. In the video, the first time Joe blows up the Hog, it's explosion BLOWS UP a ghost that wasn't even that close to it. it seems like driving around on a barrel full of rocket fuel.

  • 05.25.2004 3:13 PM PDT

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