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Subject: This is a Disgrace to the Bungie Community.
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http://nikon.bungie.org/news.html?item=17330

Firstly, I've posted this here because I believe this involves the community as a whole. Secondly, could Achronos or KP elaborate on this, or is it as simple as it looks? Australia and New Zealand get just 15 places on the public beta. If this is the case, I simply don't understand it at all. It's obvious that it will cause aggrevation on a huge scale, and the more intelligent members of this community will surely see this a huge poke in the eye, so come on Bungie. Give us an explanation please.

I'm situated in England myself, so I can't help but feel worried that we will get something served upon us that is as equally as stupid. Surely you'd want more testers in Australasia and Europe to help 'smooth' out some of the Lag problems etc? I don't like this at all, and see this as a huge disappointment to your very loyal fanbase.

Please explain.

Regards, JAY132.

[Edited on 12/4/2006]

  • 12.04.2006 11:01 AM PDT
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Wow.

I have more than 10 australians on my friends list, and thats quite hilariously bad =/

e:
<Saint> I mean, smaller numbers, obviously neccessary
<gendo> but still
<gendo> you think theyd want to work on the really bad problems people from Aus and NZ have
<Saint> Exactly. Test the netcode over the atlantic
<Saint> But no, it seems it's a PR stunt.
<Saint> -.-

[Edited on 12/4/2006]

  • 12.04.2006 11:05 AM PDT
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That's very little. I had hoped for a very open Beta, but add it all up... That's quite a number of people to be getting feedback from. Across the globe.

  • 12.04.2006 11:11 AM PDT
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Nothing compared to the massive amount of data they get from the Halo2 every day, though.

Heres hoping the rest of the world dosent have such a BS deal.

  • 12.04.2006 11:19 AM PDT
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Ouch. That sucks. On the other hand, there could have been no 'open' beta at all. Still, I expect a very pissed of community.

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  • 12.04.2006 11:21 AM PDT
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Now that you've taken the time to look at my sig, I actually regret not providing you with something more worthwhile.

If one person gets left out of the Beta, then that one person will be on these forums screaming at the top of their lungs. The Beta would be fun to participate in, but if you don't get to, you will still get to play the finished product. Everyone's flipping the hell out about this Beta business. It's ridiculous.

  • 12.04.2006 11:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: MeechVII
If one person gets left out of the Beta, then that one person will be on these forums screaming at the top of their lungs. The Beta would be fun to participate in, but if you don't get to, you will still get to play the finished product. Everyone's flipping the hell out about this Beta business. It's ridiculous.

Valid point. But that's why I don't like it being called an 'public' beta. You kinda expect it to be for a few more people. Still, there could have been no beta for the public at all. Of course I'll try to be a participant, nothing wrong with that aye?

[Edited on 12/4/2006]

  • 12.04.2006 11:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: MeechVII
If one person gets left out of the Beta, then that one person will be on these forums screaming at the top of their lungs. The Beta would be fun to participate in, but if you don't get to, you will still get to play the finished product. Everyone's flipping the hell out about this Beta business. It's ridiculous.

Valid point. But that's why I don't like it being called an 'public' beta. You kinda expect it to be for a few more people. Still, there could have been no beta for the public at all. Of course I'll try to be a participant, nothing wrong with that aye?


Ah come on now guys seriously. If someone you have on your friends-list is testing it and you are not, you're going to be majorly pissed off.

Meech, if you can wait to play the final product, then I hope you're not intending to sign up tonight as that's hugely unfair to someone who does.

  • 12.04.2006 11:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: JAY132
Ah come on now guys seriously. If someone you have on your friends-list is testing it and you are not, you're going to be majorly pissed off.

Meech, if you can wait to play the final product, then I hope you're not intending to sign up tonight as that's hugely unfair to someone who does.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to be part of the Beta testing, but I never really had my hopes up. I understand that people can/will get upset about it. First a huge public announcement, then it turns out to be a competition to get in (for Australia at least), I understand if people get frustrated about it. I don't want to say I'll get 'mad' about not being able to participate, but I am glad that there is at least some sort of public beta, even if it's for a select few.

Will I sign-up/register? Damn right.
Do I get upset if I can't particate, like those few other lucky pals and gals? Nah.

[Edited on 12/4/2006]

  • 12.04.2006 11:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: just another fan
I understand that people can/will get upset about it. First a huge public announcement, then it turns out to be a competition to get in...

A completely random competition. 25 words, how will MC "finish the fight"?

Why not 150 words, "why I think I should be chosen to test Halo 3?". Heck, even 25 words of that is surely better than how it is now... It reminds me of those stupid TV competitions where there's a question with one correct answer and two ridiculous ones. =P

  • 12.04.2006 12:18 PM PDT
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Now that you've taken the time to look at my sig, I actually regret not providing you with something more worthwhile.

Posted by: JAY132
Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: MeechVII
If one person gets left out of the Beta, then that one person will be on these forums screaming at the top of their lungs. The Beta would be fun to participate in, but if you don't get to, you will still get to play the finished product. Everyone's flipping the hell out about this Beta business. It's ridiculous.

Valid point. But that's why I don't like it being called an 'public' beta. You kinda expect it to be for a few more people. Still, there could have been no beta for the public at all. Of course I'll try to be a participant, nothing wrong with that aye?


Ah come on now guys seriously. If someone you have on your friends-list is testing it and you are not, you're going to be majorly pissed off.

Meech, if you can wait to play the final product, then I hope you're not intending to sign up tonight as that's hugely unfair to someone who does.


I honestly wouldn't be pissed. Jealous? Yeah, but not pissed. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to be a part of it, but I do think it's wrong to expect to be a part of it. Bungie didn't have to give any kind of public Beta, but they are anyways. I think that's pretty swell or em, even if only a relatively small number of people get to participate.

Will I be signing up? Nope. No 360 ATM, no Live ATM, and I have plenty of other games I need to catch up on. Would I like to participate? Yesir, but it won't bug me having to wait.

  • 12.04.2006 12:26 PM PDT
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Great!

We want to test with people from all geographical locations to ensure the best possible use of data.... I have never, ever been so pissed off at Bungie than I am right now.

Ah well, atleast now I dont have to worry about how the final product will be, enjoy your amazing game America/UK. I will still be here, waiting patiently, on yellow bar, wondering why the netcode is awful.

Oh my God I am angry. I'm getting off the site before I just... God dammit. Ten places? Sickening.

  • 12.04.2006 12:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pezza
Great!

We want to test with people from all geographical locations to ensure the best possible use of data.... I have never, ever been so pissed off at Bungie than I am right now.

Ah well, atleast now I dont have to worry about how the final product will be, enjoy your amazing game America/UK. I will still be here, waiting patiently, on yellow bar, wondering why the netcode is awful.

Oh my God I am angry. I'm getting off the site before I just... God dammit. Ten places? Sickening.


Might wanna throw it into perspective. Would you be angry if there were zero places worldwide? Probably not. Nobody promised anyone anything. Let's all have a goosfraba moment and calm down. It'll be ok.

  • 12.04.2006 12:31 PM PDT
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Damn those electrons. Damn them to hell. Travel faster than light so we can have less lag. >_>

Somehow I don't think any amount of beta testing will get rid of the lag experienced when people are separated by oceans. Not that I think only 15 people from a whole country is a good idea. I just don't think more people in beta will make less lag.

Besides if they did eliminate lag between the US and Australia, then we wouldn't be able to laugh at Kritz sword lunging off of lockout.

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  • 12.04.2006 12:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: MeechVII
Might wanna throw it into perspective. Would you be angry if there were zero places worldwide? Probably not. Nobody promised anyone anything. Let's all have a goosfraba moment and calm down. It'll be ok.

Dude you piss off right now. I mean 10 slots? C'mon. That doesn't even count for a gang bang anymore.

And about the "nobody promised anyone anything" comment, actually, we kind of were. Achronos said that they wanted to really test this game out worldwide, and they wanted to pretty much flood the servers with information. That being said, you kind of expect them to mean more than 10 people in Australia. This is just crap.

  • 12.04.2006 12:42 PM PDT
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Guys, to Alienate about 98% of your fanbase with a 'public' beta is not right. I'd rather not have an open beta than sit and play on my own with no friends. And I'm being serious.

I guess I would have to agree with jaf or meech (whoever said it) that I'd be jealous and not mad. But to advertise it, and make such a huge song and dance about it the way have, makes it all the worse.

  • 12.04.2006 12:43 PM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

Did you people think it was going to be a free-for-all playtest or something? Sing a few verses of Always Look on the Bright Side of Life and have some cocoa.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a way to keep all the Halo 2 cheaters from getting a head start on the next installment. If there are a limited number of participants, each of whom is registered and had to actually do something to get his or her slot, that drastically cuts down on the risk of the beta being overrun by the scum of XBox Live.

Who knows, someday we may all look back on this and be grateful for it.

  • 12.04.2006 12:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: MeechVII
Might wanna throw it into perspective. Would you be angry if there were zero places worldwide? Probably not. Nobody promised anyone anything. Let's all have a goosfraba moment and calm down. It'll be ok.

Dude you piss off right now. I mean 10 slots? C'mon. That doesn't even count for a gang bang anymore.

And about the "nobody promised anyone anything" comment, actually, we kind of were. Achronos said that they wanted to really test this game out worldwide, and they wanted to pretty much flood the servers with information. That being said, you kind of expect them to mean more than 10 people in Australia. This is just crap.


10 is better than zero. Everyone needs to stop crying. They may add more later. They might beef up the numbers as they go along to test the stress of it at different levels. Hell, they might decide it's a bad decision and call the whole damn thing off. Whatever they decide, nobody called you or anyone else up and made some super fantastical promise that you would get to play Halo 3 early. Being a fan doesn't entitle you to anything. Stop whining.

  • 12.04.2006 12:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Pezza
Oh my God I am angry. I'm getting off the site before I just... God dammit. Ten places? Sickening.

Oh c'mon pezza. Ten people out of twenty million seven hundred and five thousand two hundred people isn't that bad. You're almost guaranteed a spot!

  • 12.04.2006 12:47 PM PDT

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Oh c'mon Meech. If they announce a "public beta" than they should explain what they mean by "public". Ten people in a county that has over twenty million really is crappy. Stop trying to suck up to Bungie members here by saying "ten is better than zero", because you know that really it isn't. I think they'd rather not have it in their country than having ten. I mean, it's ten dude. Look out your window right now and you'll most likely see ten people. It's an insult.

  • 12.04.2006 12:54 PM PDT
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Nah jeff, australia is just outback and zoos!

  • 12.04.2006 12:56 PM PDT
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Say no to public betas.

They're -blam!-e, and you all know it.

Imbeciles get the keys. This is because a stupid-ass selection process is used in many cases (see here for possibly the worst -blam!- beta selection method ever). A semi-open beta such as this should simply be done on merit, i.e. how well you can actually test the game. Otherwise, muppets who work out ways to send in hundreds of signups will get a key and chances are, they won't know what they're doing. They'll play the game against bungie employees and the MS beta team, find it to be buggy and unpolished and then go whine about it in public, giving the game a reputation. It'll be like the post H2 "Where's my atv/variant hog/cool modes?!!" whining, just before the release. The only way the public should be let in on a beta is if they're trusted, long-term members of the community who, primarily, have the ability to test it, random gamers make for shoddy testers.

Public betas for the mother -blam!- lose. You know it. You all also know, even if it's only subconciously, that this is just a giant PR stunt using bungie as the ad board and the community as the whore, yet again.

In fact, i think the only way this could be worse is if it turns out that those 15 slots are the free slots, and everyone else down there can buy their way into the beta for an absurd amount. And hey, considering the way this has gone so far, i wouldn't put it past bungie to do so.

Thanks, bungie.

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  • 12.04.2006 12:56 PM PDT

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  • 12.04.2006 1:02 PM PDT