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Subject: This is a Disgrace to the Bungie Community.
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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: BobBQ
"Something > Nothing" may be a true statement like you siad, but when you're stuck in that 'Nothing' category (i.e. 99.9% of Aussie Halo fans), it will piss you off. No question about it.
I don't even have an X360. How do you think I feel when these things happen?


I'd say it's about time you re-negotiate your contract there Mr. BBQ. You do happen to do a huge service for them, and I'm pretty sure they could maybe find one for you that laying around as a paperweight on Frankie's desk.

~B.B.


I think if he played his cards right he could get one of those nifty dev kits. >_>

  • 12.04.2006 7:05 PM PDT

Goes to show how much Bungie freakin' cares.

  • 12.04.2006 8:19 PM PDT

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These forums are getting kinda emo. Just accept it and move on, if you don't like it don't buy the game. Since when has Bungie care about your feelings. Never. Sure they want to put out an awesome game, and they will, but come onnnn....this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

  • 12.04.2006 8:57 PM PDT

Posted by: MikeNeel
These forums are getting kinda emo. Just accept it and move on, if you don't like it don't buy the game. Since when has Bungie care about your feelings. Never. Sure they want to put out an awesome game, and they will, but come onnnn....this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

I'd like to see how you'd react if you were in my position, or the position of anyone else from Australia and NZ

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Posted by: BobBQ
"Something > Nothing" may be a true statement like you siad, but when you're stuck in that 'Nothing' category (i.e. 99.9% of Aussie Halo fans), it will piss you off. No question about it.
I don't even have an X360. How do you think I feel when these things happen?

YEAH ONE MORE FOR THE NON-360ER'S

*high five

cmon guys, you know bungie's policies. Don't believe anything about halo unless it post in the front page.

  • 12.04.2006 9:19 PM PDT

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I don't even have a 360 Trigger Happy, atleast you're that much closer than I am. Besides, I'm a firm believer that Bungie could care less about how the fans feel.

  • 12.04.2006 9:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: MikeNeel
These forums are getting kinda emo. Just accept it and move on, if you don't like it don't buy the game. Since when has Bungie care about your feelings. Never. Sure they want to put out an awesome game, and they will, but come onnnn....this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

I'd like to see how you'd react if you were in my position, or the position of anyone else from Australia and NZ


This is phase one. There will be more ways to enter the beta program, so don't panic. We will try to ensure that everyone who wants to participate has the opportunity to do so. The beta will be a world-wide affair, and every region that is elligible to participate, will. Much of the information on Halo3.com applies to the US only - so if you live in a different region, keep an eye on your local Xbo x site for details. [emphasis added]

From the news story here.

Unless I read that completely wrong, then you don't need to worry about anything just yet. That statement looks to me like they have plans for many more people to participate than it would appear right now. So why don't we wait and see?

  • 12.04.2006 9:38 PM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

Posted by: BobBQ
Did you people think it was going to be a free-for-all playtest or something? Sing a few verses of Always Look on the Bright Side of Life and have some cocoa.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a way to keep all the Halo 2 cheaters from getting a head start on the next installment. If there are a limited number of participants, each of whom is registered and had to actually do something to get his or her slot, that drastically cuts down on the risk of the beta being overrun by the scum of XBox Live.

Who knows, someday we may all look back on this and be grateful for it.


Just relax and wait for more information. Also consider.
Posted by: BobBQ
"Something > Nothing" may be a true statement like you siad, but when you're stuck in that 'Nothing' category (i.e. 99.9% of Aussie Halo fans), it will piss you off. No question about it.
I don't even have an X360. How do you think I feel when these things happen?

  • 12.04.2006 9:56 PM PDT
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This has nothing to do with the 10 spots.

This has everything to do with the "I want to be the first to test Halo 3" of the Aussie's and NZ residents.

It seems to me, that no one is even listening to the staff and mods when they say that everyone will have a chance to participate. (Although, that requires a 360, gold membership, and a hard drive.)

Stop saying that Bungie is neglecting its fans. They aren't. Just deal with it that you won't be one of the first, it is not that hard.


edit:Sp errrpr :)

[Edited on 12/4/2006]

  • 12.04.2006 9:59 PM PDT
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That's right. Because every single person living in Australia is a halo fan, with all of them having Xbox 360's to play the BETA on and great Internet connections to play it over.


Quiet, you! You're ruining my temper tantrum!

EDIT: I have found a new problem! :D

I recently moved houses. And I do not know my phone number. And I need it to submit my entry.

:[ sammit beans.

>> Kritz

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  • 12.04.2006 10:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: just another fan
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Ah come on now guys seriously. If someone you have on your friends-list is testing it and you are not, you're going to be majorly pissed off.

Meech, if you can wait to play the final product, then I hope you're not intending to sign up tonight as that's hugely unfair to someone who does.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to be part of the Beta testing, but I never really had my hopes up. I understand that people can/will get upset about it. First a huge public announcement, then it turns out to be a competition to get in (for Australia at least), I understand if people get frustrated about it. I don't want to say I'll get 'mad' about not being able to participate, but I am glad that there is at least some sort of public beta, even if it's for a select few.

Will I sign-up/register? Damn right.
Do I get upset if I can't particate, like those few other lucky pals and gals? Nah.


Wow, amen! Well spoken "Just Another Fan" =)

  • 12.04.2006 10:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: An Enigma
This has nothing to do with the 10 spots.

This has everything to do with the "I want to be the first to test Halo 3" of the Aussie's and NZ residents.

It seems to me, that no one is even listening to the staff and mods when they say that everyone will have a chance to participate. (Although, that requires a 360, gold membership, and a hard drive.)

Stop saying that Bungie is neglecting its fans. They aren't. Just deal with it that you won't be one of the first, it is not that hard.


edit:Sp errrpr :)


You greatly missed the entire point here. How can you accuse people from Aus. and NZ of being conceited? They're not upset about not getting to test the beta first, they're upset because they're getting shafted. Bungie said that it would be a public beta, but decided to let the hype build up before slapping New Zealanders and Aussies across their faces with news like this.

Fortunately enough, they'll probably get to test the beta anyway, but later. HOWEVER, that hasn't even been said yet. There's no guarentee. What happens if Bungie DOESN'T allow for more than 10 Aussies to play the beta? What then? Don't be optimistic, be realistic, and approach things from both sides.

The funny thing is, no one would be complaining if Bungie had kept it non-public. But they decided to go the route of "HAI GUYZ! It's public...... but not public for people who don't live in North America."

My god, it almost sounds racist when you say it like that. Not that it really is... But it's still not a very nice thing to do. Not nice at all.

  • 12.04.2006 10:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Posted by: An Enigma
This has nothing to do with the 10 spots.

This has everything to do with the "I want to be the first to test Halo 3" of the Aussie's and NZ residents.

It seems to me, that no one is even listening to the staff and mods when they say that everyone will have a chance to participate. (Although, that requires a 360, gold membership, and a hard drive.)

Stop saying that Bungie is neglecting its fans. They aren't. Just deal with it that you won't be one of the first, it is not that hard.


edit:Sp errrpr :)


You greatly missed the entire point here. How can you accuse people from Aus. and NZ of being conceited? They're not upset about not getting to test the beta first, they're upset because they're getting shafted. Bungie said that it would be a public beta, but decided to let the hype build up before slapping New Zealanders and Aussies across their faces with news like this.

Fortunately enough, they'll probably get to test the beta anyway, but later. HOWEVER, that hasn't even been said yet. There's no guarentee. What happens if Bungie DOESN'T allow for more than 10 Aussies to play the beta? What then? Don't be optimistic, be realistic, and approach things from both sides.

The funny thing is, no one would be complaining if Bungie had kept it non-public. But they decided to go the route of "HAI GUYZ! It's public...... but not public for people who don't live in North America."

My god, it almost sounds racist when you say it like that. Not that it really is... But it's still not a very nice thing to do. Not nice at all.


They haven't even announced how many slots will be open in the US right away.

Just chill.

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  • 12.04.2006 11:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kritz
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Besides if they did eliminate lag between the US and Australia, then we wouldn't be able to laugh at Kritz sword lunging off of lockout.


I knew someone'd bring that up. :\

It's gonna be fun making Lagged In Action 2 when Halo 3 comes around.

Posted by: twinkiemaker
It should cheer you all up to know that there is some new swag in the Bungie Store.


Link of sadness.

And to end it all, some fun statistics:

1 out of every 2009043 people will get in.
There is a .000004% chance I will get in. Which means there's a 99.999996% chance I won't get in.

Man, I like those odds. :D

>> Kritz


that was one funny post... thank you because i actually laughed out loud at that link. :)

  • 12.04.2006 11:16 PM PDT
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In Europe, there still is no possibility to register, or even enter some competition. So is it possible, that the competition in Australia/New Zealand is actually just a head start before the actual registration begins for you guys? Just a thought.

Would this debacle have happened a month and a half ago, I think I would have gotten (a bit) angry, but now I just look at things differently. I can understand the "frustration"; This beta will not just be for North America! Although the rest of the world only gets 20 spots!
Still, I suggest you get frustrated once it turns out that there only are so few spots for other countries.

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  • 12.04.2006 11:38 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Achronos, what I get from your statements is that Aussies and NZ will eventually get the chance to participate on a larger scale, but you're pretty cryptic. I don't think the secrecy is really necessary though, not in a situation like this.

I understand that not everything is finalized, therefore, you don't want to make any promises, but I don't see anything wrong with a reassuring statement that Aus. and NZ will get their chance to participate. No details, of course, but at least let them know that they're not being totally shafted, and that you're working out the kinks in getting the beta overseas.

Not everyone reads B.net, and not everyone has seen your responses here in this thread, so what of all the the people over there who simply heard the news that there's only 10 spots for them? That's a lot of pissed off fans, something a little reassurance would probably fix.

  • 12.04.2006 11:57 PM PDT

I don't think I've heard anyone take in the possibility that perhaps that slots for the Halo 3 beta are decided in terms of population ratios as much as it seems it is. If it were, it will be almost interesting to see how many US fans will be complaining here on the forums. I guess I can understand how many upset fans there may be in Aus and NZ who may want to but not get the chance to participate, but there will most likely be equal amounts of discontents abroad.

I don't think they should have called it a public beta perhaps, but maybe a limited public beta. Like I have seen Recon say here and elsewhere, we just don't know enough information yet to get our knickers in a twist.

I don't even have a 360, like BBQ and the other peeps, so you can imagine my frustration with this and the new maps. Until then, I'll be saving money for my 360. Overall, I am glad that they can benefit from the extra feedback from a 'public' beta, but the strife over the beta coupled with the 360-only maps is quite a strain on the community. Or something.

  • 12.05.2006 12:31 AM PDT
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People right now just need to stop and realize that this isnt a demo. This is a Beta Test and i think people are forgetting about that. Its easier for people in the United States to do this because of the time zones and easier for people to be on at once instead of being in the early morning hours. Think of the accurate data they want to acheieve

  • 12.05.2006 5:41 AM PDT
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So..........are you guys trying to get something done?

Like, get more spots open? Is that even possible?

  • 12.05.2006 5:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Fortunately enough, they'll probably get to test the beta anyway, but later. HOWEVER, that hasn't even been said yet. There's no guarentee. What happens if Bungie DOESN'T allow for more than 10 Aussies to play the beta? What then? Don't be optimistic, be realistic, and approach things from both sides.


Which is what I've been trying to say. There arent really any details to speak of, yet everyone is already assuming that anyone outside of North America is getting shafted. Maybe the articles at xbox.com meant that there will be 15 players from NZ and Australia participating in the North America BETA release. Anyone think of that possibility? Who knows exactly what is going on besides Bungie and Microsoft? The answer is no one, but everyone is already up in arms.

Everybody needs to relax and take a few Xanax and wait for more details to emerge before we crucify Bungie.

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In fact, guess what? I will propose a feasible idea with no BS!

It's simple. You release the beta as a download on the marketplace for gold subscribers (which you can already do; no changes to marketplace are needed). The sheer size would limit it to a hard drive.

You open downloads gradually in different regions (which you can also do) a month or so before the beta starts, so everyone can get their copy in time for the beta, without ruining xbox live due to a surge in downloads. Then, at some magic time you flick the switch, and allow the beta to be used by everyone.

No mess. No fuss. No BS. No melted servers.

Hot damn, people should pay me to come up with smart ideas like this, which let everyone know where they stand, put people on equal grounds, and don't appear to discriminate. But that'd be too sensible for MS right?


Quoted from my other post, because it is too sensible and good a suggestion to be left in just 1 thread.

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In fact, guess what? I will propose a feasible idea with no BS!

It's simple. You release the beta as a download on the marketplace for gold subscribers (which you can already do; no changes to marketplace are needed). The sheer size would limit it to a hard drive.

You open downloads gradually in different regions (which you can also do) a month or so before the beta starts, so everyone can get their copy in time for the beta, without ruining xbox live due to a surge in downloads. Then, at some magic time you flick the switch, and allow the beta to be used by everyone.

No mess. No fuss. No BS. No melted servers.

Hot damn, people should pay me to come up with smart ideas like this, which let everyone know where they stand, put people on equal grounds, and don't appear to discriminate. But that'd be too sensible for MS right?


Quoted from my other post, because it is too sensible and good a suggestion to be left in just 1 thread.


I dont thats the problem downloading the actual Beta, there was no problem when there were downloading the new maps, and all the data transfer was taking place. Dont get me wrong in the sense that they might be running on servers but i doubt thats the reason for not having it wide spread

  • 12.05.2006 6:44 AM PDT
Subject: This is a NOT an Disgrace to the Bungie Community.
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Okay, I don't like posting here but it seems that even the so-called smart people here have started ignoring facts. I'm disappointed.

First of all, take a moment to think about what has been said, and what has happened. You'll either see that everything fits, or that something is missing. Both seem to be the right answer.

Public beta. Pubic in the way I see it, and the way I've encountered during my time as gamer and beta tester, is a beta that is available for people that doesn't have connections to the people who're holding it. That would mean people who're not employees, "special friends" or partners.

This beta is very much public, and they've never said it would be open for EVERYBODY. Hell, they require an Xbox360 + HDD and Gold Live membership as a minimum requirement. Be glad that the number for this open beta is so big, it's very unusual for a game like this.

Worldwide. Yeah, it seems that every country that supports Xbox Live will have a possibility for the public to get a spot in this beta. It may not be Worldwide as Xbox Live is not worldwide, but it's close enough.

Then, to the 10 spots for the Australian peeps. It's a low number, but it's still higher then most of the European countries. Why? I'll explain in a bit. People seem to misunderstand something very important here, and the lack of information seem to be the reason behind this.

It doesn't necessarily have be ten spots for Australians, it is however ten spots for the public (you smart people should have gotten what I am to say now). Each region is given a set number of spots in this beta, but is required to have a number for the public because of advertisement and hoolahoops*.

When they first planned it, don't you think the Xbox employees in Australia made sure they had a few spots for themselves? Then, after the employees have gotten their share of the available spots, their partners will demand some. Major game magazines and companies that sell videogames have surely been offered a few spots for goodwill and "moral support". Those of you who understands why and when this happens, I need not say more. In fact, I'd like to stop it there just so I won't be doing saying I shouldn't. How many spots did the Australian region get? I doubt we'll ever know that number, but I do not believe it is 15.

Over here in Norway we got 100 public spots, which is a fairly low number compared to the people that meets the requirements. Most likely lower then the number of public spots compared to the people meeting the requirements in Australia. Am I going to get a spot in the beta? Most likely not, but I tried anyway. That's how it is, you just have to keep trying.

Btw, Achronos seem to hint at something in his posts. If you could call it hinting, it seems more like trying to beat it in your face with a big trout type of hinting... But it doesn't seem to work.

*This is not a fact, but something I assume after seeing how betas have been done other companies.

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  • 12.05.2006 10:25 AM PDT
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As I say, what really gets me is the insulting and unprofessional manner in which those outside North America are expected to go for their slots.

So far, I have to answer insultingly easy and simple questions, PM a guy on a forum with my personal details (you have got to be kidding me; no way am I giving that info away to some random person) and post on a forum to get a better chance, or write silly statements.

I would have no problem whatsoever with a standard sign up on MGS's site. I put in a few details, and submit. But being expected to do childish crap is insulting and unprofessional. Period.

And I know several people who are refusing to enter because of that.

  • 12.05.2006 11:32 AM PDT
Subject: This is a Disgrace to the Bungie Community.

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

I'm deliberately being non-specific, that is true. I have excellent reasons for doing so, though. Reasons, unfortunately, I can probably never talk about - that's just the nature of things.

And we have, in multiple places, said that this is the first phase of the beta selection process, and that the beta will be a worldwide large-scale affair. There isn't really much more we can do to say "You're not being screwed here, you just need to wait a bit."

Posted by: Nedus
Achronos, what I get from your statements is that Aussies and NZ will eventually get the chance to participate on a larger scale, but you're pretty cryptic. I don't think the secrecy is really necessary though, not in a situation like this.

I understand that not everything is finalized, therefore, you don't want to make any promises, but I don't see anything wrong with a reassuring statement that Aus. and NZ will get their chance to participate. No details, of course, but at least let them know that they're not being totally shafted, and that you're working out the kinks in getting the beta overseas.

Not everyone reads B.net, and not everyone has seen your responses here in this thread, so what of all the the people over there who simply heard the news that there's only 10 spots for them? That's a lot of pissed off fans, something a little reassurance would probably fix.

  • 12.05.2006 12:24 PM PDT