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Subject: VSYNC, NO VSYNC, or 30 FSP.. whats the diffrence?
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I wanted to know what the difference between the three. I don't know which i should have on, usually i have 30 fps but since i got a new computer i thought i would try out the others.

So could someone tell me which i should have? And what the differences are?

  • 12.04.2006 11:05 AM PDT
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what exactly are you changing? something on Halo PC? something for FRAPS? what?
My suggestion would just to keep it default or at the 30 fps.

  • 12.04.2006 11:25 AM PDT

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OK 30FPS will keep your frames at 30frames per second at all times. It is acceptable because the human eye cannot discern more then 30 FPS. Vsynch will let the frame rate goes only as high as the refresh rate you entered for your monitor. 65, 75, 85, etc. It constantly checks the frame rate so that it never exceeds the refresh rate of your monitor. No vsynch will let frames go as high as your video card will allow and will not cap it. The danger you run into with this is that when your frame rate exceed the refresh rate of the monitor, "tearing" will occur because the next frame is hitting before the previous frame is done displaying. 30FPS is fine unless you use FRAPS to record. FRAPS drops your framerate in half so you are going to want to get your FPS as high as you can get it.

  • 12.04.2006 11:46 AM PDT
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Tearing may occur. It doesn't always.

  • 12.04.2006 12:05 PM PDT
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Kk Thanks igg all just stick with 30fps then.

  • 12.04.2006 12:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Iggwilv
OK 30FPS will keep your frames at 30frames per second at all times. It is acceptable because the human eye cannot discern more then 30 FPS. Vsynch will let the frame rate goes only as high as the refresh rate you entered for your monitor. 65, 75, 85, etc. It constantly checks the frame rate so that it never exceeds the refresh rate of your monitor. No vsynch will let frames go as high as your video card will allow and will not cap it. The danger you run into with this is that when your frame rate exceed the refresh rate of the monitor, "tearing" will occur because the next frame is hitting before the previous frame is done displaying. 30FPS is fine unless you use FRAPS to record. FRAPS drops your framerate in half so you are going to want to get your FPS as high as you can get it.

Same thing that he said. But dude, the eye can see things ALOT faster than 30fps, it's just hard to tell past then. You can either google that or relate it to TV's. Why wouldeople make 1080p TV's is you can only see it in 1080i, makes no sense.

Eye doesn't record in FPS. When sertain light hit's cells they react, and they don't react in FPS, they have a continues stream of visual information.

  • 12.04.2006 1:29 PM PDT
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Yes, but the typical Frames Per Second of a movie is 24. TV is typically 30. The speed at which the frames are being displayed is so fast that your eye cannot distinguish from one frame to the next. Therefore you get a continious picture.

  • 12.04.2006 1:37 PM PDT
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1080i and 1080p have the same frame rate they just draw the picture in different ways.

We don't see in fps, but its been proven that we don't process the visual information fast enough to notice any difference past about 27 fps.

  • 12.04.2006 1:46 PM PDT
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I notice less flicker...
mb my eyes just pwn yours? :)

  • 12.04.2006 3:00 PM PDT
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Thats refresh rate not fps.

  • 12.04.2006 5:10 PM PDT
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1080i and 1080p have the same frame rate they just draw the picture in different ways.

We don't see in fps, but its been proven that we don't process the visual information fast enough to notice any difference past about 27 fps.


It's also been proven that we see at higher frames per scond, not that we see in frames per second anyways. I can quite easily tell you when it's capped at 30fps rather than with vsync off at 130 fps.

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Hmm, talk about a mixed bag of responses. I have come to the understanding that the human eye can see past 30fps, and have read somewhere that the maximum is about 90fps. There is more to it than that, but I believe that this wikipedia article may be more helpful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frames_per_second

-there is a fps in games section further down the page.

  • 12.04.2006 9:11 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

I can definitely see a difference between 30 FPS and NO VSYNC. Everything moves more smoothly. Somewhere around here there's a brief mention of how keeping video at 30FPS is a waste since some video cards give way better performance.

  • 12.04.2006 10:51 PM PDT
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Im with n357 I can see a lot of difference, like when you spin around fast it stays smooth and not so pixalated.

  • 12.05.2006 1:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: Brandon Heat
FIVE SIMPLE WORD! THEY ALL ARE THEY SAME! :)


.......you could be no further from the truth........

  • 12.05.2006 1:34 PM PDT
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Heyyo,

Posted by: MikeM709
Posted by: Brandon Heat
FIVE SIMPLE WORD! THEY ALL ARE THEY SAME! :)


.......you could be no further from the truth........

QFT. =P

Now, cartoons and such I know are 25F/S... but for gaming? I can't stand anything below 35F/S cause then I can feel my game visually lagging. The difference between 30F/S and for say 50F/S is noticeable if you are used to a higher frame rate. If you have a lower-end videocard? use NO VSYNC, cause your framerate in game will be higher on average than 30F/S cause the cap actually causes your computer to send less information to the videocard, and wastes CPU cycles ignoring some frames, that's why there is a slight framerate loss even between VSYNC and no VSYNC.

In HaloPC? cause I have a massive vidcard, I use VSYNC. That way I get great frame rates and no visual tearing (no VSYNC on my card causes a lot of tearing...)

Now, another thing I wanna add, is that the visual tearing? it's dependent on the monitor actually, cause the monitor can't keep up. I believe LCD's suffer more from this problem since their response time is slower than CRT's.

But yes, in the end? it's up to the user what you are satisfied with, so I hope you take some of what I've said on the matter of no VSYNC visual tearing, and wether or not to use VSYNC.

Btw, VSYNC option in halo defaults to the monitor's default refresh rate, which is 60F/S max. My CRT can do 75Hz at 1024x768, so I changed mine to that. ;)

  • 12.05.2006 7:58 PM PDT
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oh mardy, glad to see you're back on teh maw.

  • 12.05.2006 8:54 PM PDT
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Better question for you: Why are there so many homos that play this idiotic game?

Answer: Because 38 states won't let them marry, so being jack offs, like playing Halo 24/7 is what they do instead.

I'm right, aren't I?

[Edited on 12/5/2006]

  • 12.05.2006 9:29 PM PDT
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I have a question for you oznot:

Is trolling forums looking for trouble actually fun? Or are you such a shut in that this is your only meaningful contact with the outside world?

  • 12.05.2006 10:02 PM PDT

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I'm not sure on the details, but if you're on a faster machine, I suggest NO VSYNC. I'm on a 2005 iMac G5, running at 2 ghz, and NO VSYNC makes it run the smoothest.

  • 12.05.2006 10:33 PM PDT
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Heyyo,

Posted by: Obaten
oh mardy, glad to see you're back on teh maw.

Yes, I am randomly posting again.

I also reported oznot to goweb, so he should handle this potential troller. =D

It's liek, how I toaly pwn Pure Pwnage style.

  • 12.05.2006 11:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Brandon Heat
FIVE SIMPLE WORD! THEY ALL ARE THEY SAME! :)


That's wrong and stupid considering they are different things.

[Edited on 12/6/2006]

  • 12.06.2006 6:31 AM PDT

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