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Subject: A great big thanks to Bungie and all of its WONDERFUL Moderators.

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Officium quod Fidelitas.

Posted by: BobBQ
Seems like every little thing that goes wrong nowdays is automatically our fault.

I've said my piece on the beta already. Won't be playing it, don't want to play it.


Bob, it's the chain of command.

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  • 12.05.2006 9:34 AM PDT
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Why can't people be allowed to state their opinion without being told we're being childish, or basically being told to get a life? The latter of which is the most hypocritical thing anyone could say here on the forums of one of the biggest video-game manufacturer's website.

There's so much I could argue with on here, but I just can't be bothered. Some of you are so loyal to preserving this false 'aura' of eliteness that you've blinded yourselves. You can't see past the fact of 'sucking up and not answering back' = possibly being ranked higher (have a guess as to what I'm getting at there). But the sad thing is this. If anyone questions what goes on around here (as any paying customer to any business would), then they're are somehow breaking the 'brown nose' rule around here.

I was so angry yesterday and so pissed off that a lot of my good Aussie buddy's have just 10 slots available, that I made a thread on the main forums. Something I vowed I'd never do again. And in just 1 day, I was reminded why I took that vow in the first place. Back to the groups for me...

  • 12.05.2006 9:41 AM PDT

yoo•zel- ('yoo-zhul): slang: vb.

Officium quod Fidelitas.

May I point out;


This is phase one. There will be more ways to enter the beta program, so don't panic. We will try to ensure that everyone who wants to participate has the opportunity to do so. The beta will be a world-wide affair, and every region that is elligible to participate, will. Much of the information on Halo3.com applies to the US only - so if you live in a different region, keep an eye on your local Xbox site for details.


Now maybe it's from my meager understanding, but currently Xbox.au is hosting a contest for 10 available slots to enter the Halo Beta. Does this mean that these applicants can get looked over, I assume not since they appear to be 10 guaranteed slots, thusly why they are holding a competition. (Warning: This is simply speculation, do not take this as an official word.)

Now if you guys had read the news you'd understand that there has been no official word concerning how many slots will be available to the world. I urge you to read the news carefully.

  • 12.05.2006 9:47 AM PDT

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We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

Posted by: JAY132
I was so angry yesterday and so pissed off that a lot of my good Aussie buddy's have just 10 slots available, that I made a thread on the main forums. Something I vowed I'd never do again. And in just 1 day, I was reminded why I took that vow in the first place. Back to the groups for me...


It stated the contest was for 10 spots. It never said it was for the only 10 slots available. Sure it would be great to get all the info on the beta, but is it that much of a surprise that Bungie is bound by some sort of NDA not to say anything?

I personally dont care. If your interpretation of the article turns out to be correct, bash Bungie all you want, they'd deserve it.

You've seen Crimson Tide right? Well, you just been given incomplete, unverified orders, and your the jackass captain of the sub that wants to wipe the Soviet Union off the map even though you dont have a clue as to what is actually going on. Try to put yourself in Denzel's place for awhile, and wait until you have more information before going postal.

  • 12.05.2006 10:09 AM PDT
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Yes I have read that, but it didn't go up till late yesterday (KP's news post).

But if their ARE more slots available, why oh why have Bungie and Microsoft decided to advertise the fact that if people in Australia want one of 10 slots, and people in New Zealand want one of 5 slots, they have to come up with a 'witty' answer to how Halo 3 will end or something in no more than 25 words.

Over here in Britain, we have a Sunday version of the Broadsheet Newspaper by the name of The Times. Funnily enough, it's called the Sunday Times! Anyway, for years they had a section called the 'Funday Times' which was a pull out for kids. Filled with Video-game news, submission's gallery, news round-up and comic strips, it was very popular. Aimed at the 3-10 years of age demographic, they also held a competition every week to win something like a Sega Game Gear (just one example, you get the idea). There entrance method for people to take part in their competitions was simple. Children must in no-more than 25 words, write why they deserve the prize.

Now, does this help you understand why people are really upset at this whole thing? Not only does Australia 'currently' only get 10 places on the first test period, but unlike America and Canada who just simply have to click 'sign in' on a .net website, they are made to write out 25 words. Now considering that the Halo series of games is rated 16+ or M for Mature, don't you find this whole thing just a little...immature!?

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  • 12.05.2006 10:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: BobBQ
Seems like every little thing that goes wrong nowdays is automatically our fault.


And here we used to blame Stosh for everything that went wrong... What has happened to (y)our community? Oh yeah ...

Kudos to Recon for bringing up some obvious points people seem to ignoring, when someone like him mentions it people actually listen (at least some).

  • 12.05.2006 10:35 AM PDT

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We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

I can understand that people would be upset about the lack of information concerning the beta outside of North America, but I feel the more important issue are the reactions from those who believe that the beta will only be available for a very limited few outside of North America.

As I said, I can understand being upset about the lack of info, but I feel that the reaction to the number of spots is premature, if not childish. If, in the end, Australia only gets 10 spots and New Zealand only gets 5 spots, I will rescind that statement and jump on the Bungie Bashing Bandwagon with you.

I'm sure there is a reason Bungie and/or Microsoft hasn't come forward with more details. Whether its a good reason remains to be seen. Personally, I would just like to see all the bickering and bashing concerning the number of available slots stopped. Feel free to rant about the lack of info, I agree that it would do more good than harm right now.

  • 12.05.2006 10:44 AM PDT
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Isn't this thread a little ... redundant? We do have one about this right?

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  • 12.05.2006 10:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: dmbfan09
Man, I am sure glad I don't care so much about a video game to -blam!- and moan about something as trivial as this. C'mon, what the hell guys? It's just a damn beta. An adult wouldn't be complaining like this whenever something doesn't happen to go their way.

And why the -blam!- did you call out the moderators? How in the hell is it their decision to "screw over" Australia and New Zealand? They are just normal members like you and me and don't get any more information that we do, so they are just as in the dark. Give them a break, they spend their whole time here trying not to hurt the feelings of 13 year old kids that think they are special.

Basically, I think everybody complains too damn much here. Get a life and stop worrying about who does or doesn't get to play the Halo 3 beta.


Shhhhh. Don't let them hear you. They'll call you bad names and then kick you out of their group when you flame back.

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  • 12.05.2006 11:00 AM PDT

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Overrating themselves

Posted by: kd5shw
Isn't this thread a little ... redundant? We do have one about this right?


The other thread is about the number of available spots outside of North America.

Originally, I think Shai meant this to address Bungie's handling of the situation. Its gone a little off topic, but yeah, you're basically right.

  • 12.05.2006 11:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: dmbfan09
Man, I am sure glad I don't care so much about a video game to -blam!- and moan about something as trivial as this. C'mon, what the hell guys? It's just a damn beta. An adult wouldn't be complaining like this whenever something doesn't happen to go their way.

And why the -blam!- did you call out the moderators? How in the hell is it their decision to "screw over" Australia and New Zealand? They are just normal members like you and me and don't get any more information that we do, so they are just as in the dark. Give them a break, they spend their whole time here trying not to hurt the feelings of 13 year old kids that think they are special.

Basically, I think everybody complains too damn much here. Get a life and stop worrying about who does or doesn't get to play the Halo 3 beta.


Shhhhh. Don't let them hear you. They'll call you bad names and then kick you out of their group when you flame back.

Overeaction FTW!
Yeah, I think I'm done with these forums for awhile. Too many people just ruin it. The Septagon slowly transformed from a community to a giant complaint box.

I'm surprised people aren't -blam!-ing about how U.S. gamers only get a fifty-fifty chance of playing the beta.

  • 12.05.2006 11:10 AM PDT
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Yeah, I think I'm done with these forums for awhile. Too many people just ruin it. The Septagon slowly transformed from a community to a giant complaint box.

I'm surprised people aren't -blam!-ing about how U.S. gamers only get a fifty-fifty chance of playing the beta.


Wait US gamers have to compete for a limited number of spots? What the hell Bun G???/?/? Hold on peoples I'm a gonna start a thread.

  • 12.05.2006 11:15 AM PDT
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I'm starting to think people may be over reacting now.

We all heard the news and had time to vent. Now that the venting is over, we get explanations. After the explanations, we debate them, and after the debate comes the whining.

They already told us why they're doing what they're doing. Sure, it sucks that there are such limited spots for the other countries, but hey, it's still Public Beta.

Will I be taking part in it? Probably not. I have more important things to worry about, but I'm still uber-hyped for Halo 3. I just don't find this whole testing thing to be such a big deal.

If you guys really are so passionate to test it, then do your best to win the contest or whatever it is they have set up. I'll agree that you got what we here in America call "The Shaft" but.......it is what it is.

  • 12.05.2006 11:29 AM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Actually, no, I didn't think we would lose any real respect. This is because I have a high regard for our fans, and think they are (for the most part) intelligent, thoughtful individuals who understand that large worldwide events take time, planning, and coordination. Such events, especially when dealing the the language barrier, and the natural need for such large betas to be implmented in a phased approach, would lead people to understand that we can't just open mass signups for people to get in world-wide. Hell, the site could barely keep up with just the North American load yesterday.

The above text is me assuming that our fans, especially our "long-time hardcore fans," are not children and won't throw a tantrum because you don't have patience to wait to find out the full details of all means of entry into the beta. I assumed that you'd give us the benefit of the doubt that we are trying our best to make this as large scale and inclusive a beta as we can, not only to be fair, but more importantly to get us the data we need to make Halo 3 a great game.

Now, where did I go wrong? Was my opinion of our "long-time hardcore fans" misplaced? You say don't treat you like a child, but you're acting like one - you're assuming things about us because you aren't getting what you want right now. What's worse is that you're doing this even after reading the given explanation for the lack of information and deciding that we're a bunch of jerks because you didn't like the answer (even though it was the truth). An adult response is to wait until the full set of information is released... and THEN complain about the parts you don't like.

I'm not a common forum troll - I'm not going to say "we don't owe you anything." That's a BS response. But your entire post is based on the premise that we're trying to screw you over and/or treat you like a child. In fact, the opposite is true. We aren't trying to screw you over and we're treating you like an adult who understands concepts like logistics and patience, and you're the one reacting like you're getting screwed over.

I can't change the opinion you have that we should give you exacting confidential business plans that would give our competitors an advantage should they know of them, but could you at least stop trying to perpetuate the idea that we're trying to screw you over? We're not, and you should know better.


Posted by: Shai Hulud
And Achronos said something about there being other options, that not all has been said yet. That may all be well and good in the end, but surely you must have realized how you would lose respect over this. I guess it would be too.... inappropriate for me to accuse the lot of you as being liars, but you didn't tell the truth. It's like dangling food in front of a starving child and then snatching it away at the last second. Ok, so it's not that bad, but it's still pretty disrespectful of your fans. You have changed, Bungie. Greatly, and not for the better. This is coming from a fan that's been observing these forums for a fairly decent number of years since the release of the original Halo.

And to any of the administration who want to reply to this: Don't disrespect your fans further by giving me some sass about Bungie not really owing their fans anything. I know that a videogame is a pretty trivial thing, not a necessity of life, and there are more important things to -blam!- about in this world... Ban me if you will, that's fine, but I think the fact that you guys are really coming off as a bunch of stiffs who care nothing about their fan community should be brought to your eyes first.

And I'm not that naive when it comes to the business world. I may not know first-hand how things work, but I know what life can be like, and I can speculate. I'm sure you have your reasons for doing what you did, but perhaps you should think a bit more before you make certain announcements. Either that, or stop writing your news updates so happy-go-lucky and threading them with pseudo-truths. Don't pamper us. We're not all children here. Don't treat us as such.

  • 12.05.2006 11:59 AM PDT
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Damn, argument over guys.

Remember, patience is a virtue.

  • 12.05.2006 12:30 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Achronos, I said what I said based on how things were done, not on the information released. I'm not asking you to release information. I don't control you, and I don't really care about released information anymore. But it's how you release it. You glorify things and then give us news about how what you said wasn't the whole truth.

Things may not have to be said in whole-truths, but you can at least not hype things up as much as you do. Go ahead, keep being vague, whatever. Just don't shove BS in our faces. It comes across as overly-patronizing.

And one more thing: I've seen your posts often enough to know that you do care about the community, Achronos, and that's just fine. But I have seen Bungie staff and the moderators treat fans with disrespect over some matters.

I'll turn the other cheek to your comment about me acting childish. But to those who read this, it might help to know how I feel by knowing that I do live in North America, so the situation with NZ and AUS doesn't actually affect my ability to play the beta, were I to sign up for it. But I'm arguing about the principle of the situation, not how it affects me as an individual.

  • 12.05.2006 12:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Now, where did I go wrong? Was my opinion of our "long-time hardcore fans" misplaced? You say don't treat you like a child, but you're acting like one - you're assuming things about us because you aren't getting what you want right now. What's worse is that you're doing this even after reading the given explanation for the lack of information and deciding that we're a bunch of jerks because you didn't like the answer (even though it was the truth). An adult response is to wait until the full set of information is released... and THEN complain about the parts you don't like.

But you have to see if from the general public's point of view. We're the ones who are on the extremely minimal side of getting the information and we don't know when/if we'll be getting anything else. The thing with releasing information is that it's often too vague and legitimately allows for companies to back-track on what they said, claiming to use the loop-hole that they left without regard for the tone of information given. A prime example is the new Halo 2 maps. Don't get me wrong; I'm delighted that there will be more, but for months Bungie's tone has been that we won't get any new maps, when one day they decide to spill out more information and dish some out.

For all we know, you could put out the beta tomorrow and say that the information we had previously received was enough. To relate this to your post; isn't the "full" set of information just what we have at any given time? Without confirmation that there is anything that's new and not just a re-worded version of what we have currently, it's hard to see beyond what we are at the moment.

  • 12.05.2006 1:43 PM PDT

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He's not an idiot, don't treat him as one.

Tell him to stop acting like one.

I find it humorous that you ask Bungie to not treat us like children in such a childish post. The beta isn't some gift they're giving us. A beta test is, hold your breath, for testing! If they have no need for testing in certain areas, they won't.

Stop acting like Bungie screwed you over. Something bad happened- it isn't the end of the world. Shake it off and move on. I have an idea- imagine you aren't so privledged to own a 360. Imagine that instead of having a sour streak of luck where you don't get to participate in the pre-release beta, you have a sour streak of luck where you can't afford a console, or much else for that matter.

Stop acting like a child. It's a beta, for Christ's sake.

EDIT: I'm not aware of where the news was glorified. A link would be appreciated; I'm sure it's there and I just missed it. (I apologize if this came out sarcastic. I didn't intend it to.)

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  • 12.05.2006 1:49 PM PDT
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I don't really care. For TWO main reasons.

A) I live in North America.

B) I will likely refuse to play the beta if it requires a fee to play it. That would be ghey.

  • 12.05.2006 2:13 PM PDT

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Shai Hulud, I just want to make it clear to you, the Bungie.net moderators have NO part in Bungie Studios and the inner-workings of Bungie Studios (and Microsoft).

They're sitting at home, (or work), just like you, and they sign in, just like you, and they give their free time to moderate. If the moderators call you a child over this, they can, but that's not coming from Bungie.

It's the same effect as if I said you're acting like children as well.

Bungie didn't lie. They said:
We also made mention of the Halo 3 Beta (coming some time in 2007) and folks panicked when they saw that a press release mentioned only the US. Don't panic. The Halo 3 Beta will be available in the US, Europe and elsewhere in the world. We'll keep you updated on the detailed specifics as they come in.
How is that lying? They haven't gotten the specifics yet, or if they have, they can't tell us yet, for the exact reasons Achronos clearly stated.

Just because contests are being held for "slots" in the Aus/NZ beta, doesn't mean those are the only ones. This beta sign-up is obviously 'phase-based'. Like Achronos said, and anyone who was here yesterday knows, the site was completely swamped with just North America trying to sign up. Can you imagine the entire world at once? That's just ridiculous.

If you disagree with that, then you're just hard-headed. Like most children.

Oh, and uh, Recon?
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But that is just me. Maybe I am being overly optimistic, starry eyed, hopeful and child-like.


do you bring the laughter of a child into other peoples lives as well?

She's lying. I am not the father of your little brother.

LoLRoFL!

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The above text is me assuming that our fans, especially our "long-time hardcore fans," are not children and won't throw a tantrum because you don't have patience to wait to find out the full details of all means of entry into the beta.

What site have you been administering for the last few years? XD

This is the repeating story of bungie.net. We get a little information. Someone gets pissed. Later on more information gets released and everything is alright. Rinse and repeat as necessary. Remember the mancannon anyone? It wasn't that long ago.

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  • 12.05.2006 2:38 PM PDT
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It's the fact that we have to enter a cereal box competition to try and get a slot which is the insulting part. While the number of slots so far mentioned is disgraceful, it is the patronising way we have to squabble over them which truly is painful.

As for the moderators, it isn't really their fault but they need to recognise that blind patriotism to Bungie does not make their opinions better than those actually experiencing the issue first hand. That is why I don't think Shai is being childish at all, I think those saying

"I don't have a 360, what do I care?" are the real hard headed children in this discussion.

  • 12.05.2006 2:39 PM PDT

babylon 5 fans are better. B5 FTW! w00t!

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Moderators - > KP - > Back to Moderators - > Achronos - > Skiptrace



Skiptrace ftw as well. as proven here.

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  • 12.05.2006 2:44 PM PDT
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KP only appears once in the chain of command of gripes? That's seems unfair. What about Frankie and the Webmaster? I think the chain is incomplete.

  • 12.05.2006 2:47 PM PDT

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Well, Pezza, I can't relate, because I'm in North America. I do realize that right now, they are making some interestingly demeaning ways for you to get slot, but I really don't think they ever said:

"Enter this contest to get a position in our 15 ONLY slots".

I'm pretty sure it's more along the lines of:
"Enter this contest to get a position in our 15 CURRENT slots"

And with more to come. It doesn't make sense to allow 15 people in 2 countries to participate, especially since Microsoft and Bungie know there's a huge population of Halo players down under.

I'd imagine that the contests were intended to just be a "Fun" thing to do, until they opened the main sign-up.

And children are impatient, and don't wait for all the information before acting upon it. "Mature" people, and "adults", wait for all the information. So, yes, Shai is actually be childish, and (I know this isn't going to get me very far) I really think that some people, such as Pezza, are acting pretty unexpectedly childish as well.

I recall the same uproar from many of the same people over "Halo Wars" 'milking' the Halo franchise, when no one really knew anything about it.

  • 12.05.2006 2:47 PM PDT