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After reading this whole thread, I kind of feel paralyzed about forming an opinion. I mean, I can see where the thread creator is coming from, I can see where Achronos (and Bungie) are coming from, and I can also see the concerns of Pezza, who honestly wants to make Halo 3 better for people with high latency. I can see that, yes, it is a bit childish to form an opinion without all the facts; however, it's hard to do so when someone won't give you all the facts.

I'm also quite certain that this limited number of slots is only the first of many opportunities to come for Australians. But also, it seems odd that Microsoft would have such a way of holding a contest that feels like one I would enter in elementary school.

Personally, I would have done it like this. Initial registration would be something like , first, the eastern time zone gets to register, then central, mountain, pacific, UK, Australia, etc. (Please note this is no particular order, but off the top of my head) Then each would enter a pool, and x number of people from each region get into the beta, then they could hold contests and whatnot for further participation.

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I don't understand what this big deal about the Australians is. I thought that the Beta testers were going to be completly random.

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When was it ever stated that the beta testers were to be picked out at random?

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Posted by: trekkie
I DEMAND THAT ALL MODERATeRS ARE FORCED TO TEST THE HALO 3 BETA!!!

I like that. During your shout it's as if you got uncertain of that spelling so settled for the little "e". It's moderators, by the way. =P

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Posted by: Darth01
After reading this whole thread, I'm kind of feel paralyzed about forming an opinion. I mean, I can see where the thread creator is coming from, I can see where Achronos (and Bungie) are coming from, and I can also see the concerns of Pezza, who honestly wants to make Halo 3 better for people with high latency. I can see that, yes, it is a bit childish to form an opinion without all the facts; however, it's hard to do so when someone won't give you all the facts.

I'm also quite certain that this limited number of slots is only the first of many opportunities to come for Australians. But also, it seems odd that Microsoft would have such a way of holding a contest that feels like one I would enter in elementary school.

Personally, I would have done it like this. Initial registration would be something like , first, the eastern time zone gets to register, then central, mountain, pacific, UK, Australia, etc. (Please note this is no particular order, but off the top of my head) Then each would enter a pool, and x number of people from each region get into the beta, then they could hold contests and whatnot for further participation.

I like it. I don't often see posts from someone who has seen things from many different points of view. The fact that you are able to form an opinion based on everything makes it much stronger than those opinions which are one-sided.

So don't feel paralyzed.

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Ashton Kutcher just called me and wanted me to inform you all that you've been punk'd.

-TGP-

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Anyone want to make/take any bets how long we have to wait after people are being officially notified that they are going to be beta-testing before we see people selling their gamertag and their beta access on eBay?


I laughed at that because it sounded funny. But it also made me wonder wether or not this Beta test will be downloadable to those selected. Can you imagine how much someone could sell their xbox 360 for if it had a copy of Halo 3's Beta stored on it's hard drvie?

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Ashton Kutcher just called me and wanted me to inform you all that you've been punk'd.

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Sweet, I've finally made it onto TV. Where's my check?

  • 12.07.2006 7:32 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

To the people of the Bungie.net Forums. Moderators, Members, and Admin included:

I'm not going to bother to explain myself further. Call me childish all you want. Call me arrogant, call me whatever. Do you honestly think i care about how I come across in my words? I expressed my opinion, and did so validly. My words are there, read them. A disgustingly large number of you have responded to this thread without doing so. You respond, implying that you read the thread, but you miss the point. I didn't think I would have to spell it out for a great number of you, but apparently I do.

I do NOT live in AUS, the UK, or NZ. Read those words. I. Do. Not. Thus, I'm not angry or whining about me not being able to play the Halo 3 beta. Hell, I don't even own an Xbox 360. It is in my opinion that Bungie and Microsoft overhyped the first-released news about the Beta being public (I'm not going to bother putting quotes or links. You all read that news article, you all thought it was a cool thing, most of you want to play it). And with the further release of the news about playability being restricted in UK, NZ and AUS, it was, in my opinion, disrespectful of Bungie to do so. They haven't told us the whole truth, yes, but to me, the whole truth is going to be a restriction on the Beta. In other words, not public. Am I wrong? No, not yet. Will I be wrong? Possibly. Will I feel like a fool for bringing up my concerns? Absolutely not. Why? No, I'm not being arrogant about my beliefs, I'm merely observing a change in Bungie's treatment of its fans. And I'm not the only one who has seen it. You've all seen other people's opinions regarding this change, in more or less words.

I'm not angry because I won't get to play the Beta. Were I to actually live in AUS, NZ, or the UK, I probably wouldn't play anyway because I most likely won't own a 360 before the finished Halo 3 product comes out. Hopefully that will get the point across that I'm NOT whining about not being able to play the Beta.

And this is why you have to read the threads in front of you.

To most of the members who have responded to this thread:

Try to read things more carefully from now on. Too many of you have furthered unnecessary bickering because you're too quick with a temper. There's an unappealing number of you that will become too quick to form an opinion based on anger once someone disagrees with Bungie or the Moderators of this forum. Pull your heads out of your asses, and treat threads equally, without pre-supposed bias just because they are speaking out against that which you throw blind respect to.

To the Moderators who have responded to this thread (Aside from Pezza):

You want respect? Do something to deserve it. Stop your bawling about how the forums ain't nice to you, and do what Bungie selected you to do. Do it right I posted on the grievences of the moderators before, so I won't bother doing it again. You're as disrespectful as most people are on these forums, so don't act high-and-mighty just because you have the power to lock, delete, and ban. And don't tell me that you don't act that way, because you most certainly do. At least have the decency to admit to the less respectable parts of your internet personalities.

And no, I'm NOT talking about the people who have NOT responded to this thread.

With all this being said, you won't see me anymore on the Bungie.net public forums. I'm disgusted with how things have changed. Ban me if it satisfies your collective egos.

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Posted by: Shai Hulud
To the people of the Bungie.net Forums. Moderators, Members, and Admin included:

I'm not going to bother to explain myself further. Call me childish all you want. Call me arrogant, call me whatever. Do you honestly think i care about how I come across in my words? I expressed my opinion, and did so validly. My words are there, read them. A disgustingly large number of you have responded to this thread without doing so. You respond, implying that you read the thread, but you miss the point. I didn't think I would have to spell it out for a great number of you, but apparently I do.

I do NOT live in AUS, the UK, or NZ. Read those words. I. Do. Not. Thus, I'm not angry or whining about me not being able to play the Halo 3 beta. Hell, I don't even own an Xbox 360. It is in my opinion that Bungie and Microsoft overhyped the first-released news about the Beta being public (I'm not going to bother putting quotes or links. You all read that news article, you all thought it was a cool thing, most of you want to play it). And with the further release of the news about playability being restricted in UK, NZ and AUS, it was, in my opinion, disrespectful of Bungie to do so. They haven't told us the whole truth, yes, but to me, the whole truth is going to be a restriction on the Beta. In other words, not public. Am I wrong? No, not yet. Will I be wrong? Possibly. Will I feel like a fool for bringing up my concerns? Absolutely not. Why? No, I'm not being arrogant about my beliefs, I'm merely observing a change in Bungie's treatment of its fans. And I'm not the only one who has seen it. You've all seen other people's opinions regarding this change, in more or less words.

I'm not angry because I won't get to play the Beta. Were I to actually live in AUS, NZ, or the UK, I probably wouldn't play anyway because I most likely won't own a 360 before the finished Halo 3 product comes out. Hopefully that will get the point across that I'm NOT whining about not being able to play the Beta.

And this is why you have to read the threads in front of you.

To most of the members who have responded to this thread:

Try to read things more carefully from now on. Too many of you have furthered unnecessary bickering because you're too quick with a temper. There's an unappealing number of you that will become too quick to form an opinion based on anger once someone disagrees with Bungie or the Moderators of this forum. Pull your heads out of your asses, and treat threads equally, without pre-supposed bias just because they are speaking out against that which you throw blind respect to.

To the Moderators who have responded to this thread (Aside from Pezza):

You want respect? Do something to deserve it. Stop your bawling about how the forums ain't nice to you, and do what Bungie selected you to do. Do it right I posted on the grievences of the moderators before, so I won't bother doing it again. You're as disrespectful as most people are on these forums, so don't act high-and-mighty just because you have the power to lock, delete, and ban. And don't tell me that you don't act that way, because you most certainly do. At least have the decency to admit to the less respectable parts of your internet personalities.

And no, I'm NOT talking about the people who have NOT responded to this thread.

With all this being said, you won't see me anymore on the Bungie.net public forums. I'm disgusted with how things have changed. Ban me if it satisfies your collective egos.

It's called "difference of opinions". There are members here who do not believe your opinions are correct, however that does not make them any more right than you. The point is, you are essentially saying that your opinion is the only valid one on the subject.

The Halo 3 beta is public and restricted. That is not an opinion, that's a fact. It just so happens that international members will have to wait to see exactly how restricted the beta will be. As it stands, it is my opinion that Bungie will be opening up registration internationally for more than a few hundred people.

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Posted by: Darth01
A lot of text that is already up twice so read it up there :)

I like it. I don't often see posts from someone who has seen things from many different points of view. The fact that you are able to form an opinion based on everything makes it much stronger than those opinions which are one-sided.

So don't feel paralyzed.

Awww, thanks! I'm glad someone likes my idea.

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Posted by: Darth01
Posted by: Zerodev
Posted by: Darth01
A lot of text that is already up twice so read it up there :)

I like it. I don't often see posts from someone who has seen things from many different points of view. The fact that you are able to form an opinion based on everything makes it much stronger than those opinions which are one-sided.

So don't feel paralyzed.

Awww, thanks! I'm glad someone likes my idea.

Ah, I never said I liked your idea, did I? :)

It's not bad.

  • 12.07.2006 1:34 PM PDT

Shai, you make it seem like NOBODY understood or agreed with you besides Pezza. I can tell you that there were members who agreed or at least understood where you're coming from: Jeff McRae, Ciaran, Nedus, One One Seven, Jay132, twinkiemaker, | iam117 |, SS_Zag1, OpMED, Saint, and myself.

And these were just from the FIRST three pages. Each may not have the exact same opinion as you, but we have stated that in some, way, shape, or form that we can understand where you're coming from. I think you just see that most of the mods disagree to some extent(except Recon who seems neutral on the issue) and let their opinions pervade those of all the others. And even if you aren't just going after the mods who disagree, then it is the members. Yes there are some/many who do, but not all of them.

I am just wanting you to realize that your thread has served its purpose. You have gotten your point across, whether it changed the minds of others or not. There is no need to feel like you have to leave this community because you feel others disagree with you. It also wouldn't hurt to recognize that some do agree or at least understand your frustration.

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  • 12.07.2006 1:54 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Why would a long time member react so badly to people not agreeing with him?

Leaving after all this time to somthing so minor is just odd to me.

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I just wanted to add a few points, directed at Shai.

Posted by: Achronos

I assumed that you'd give us the benefit of the doubt that we are trying our best to make this as large scale and inclusive a beta as we can, not only to be fair, but more importantly to get us the data we need to make Halo 3 a great game.

I don't think it's safe to assume anything about the B.net community, other than you're more likely to get complaints than compliments. Ok, so that was directed at Achronos.

Now, where did I go wrong? Was my opinion of our "long-time hardcore fans" misplaced? You say don't treat you like a child, but you're acting like one - you're assuming things about us because you aren't getting what you want right now. What's worse is that you're doing this even after reading the given explanation for the lack of information and deciding that we're a bunch of jerks because you didn't like the answer (even though it was the truth). An adult response is to wait until the full set of information is released... and THEN complain about the parts you don't like.

I'm not a common forum troll - I'm not going to say "we don't owe you anything." That's a BS response. But your entire post is based on the premise that we're trying to screw you over and/or treat you like a child. In fact, the opposite is true. We aren't trying to screw you over and we're treating you like an adult who understands concepts like logistics and patience, and you're the one reacting like you're getting screwed over.

It stings when someone is revealing something about you that may be a flaw of some sort. Bungie went ahead and acted on the notion that their community was mature enough to realize that patience is a virtue and the time and effort it takes to implement an undertaking such as a worldwide public beta.

I realize I'm just echoing Achronos' words, but I felt they needed some reiterating. Bungie didn't hype anything, we did. If you strictly interpret what Bungie has officially announced, it is actually pretty boring: there will be a [restricted] public beta testing program for Halo 3 that will take place during spring of 2007. Signups will initially be available for North America, and later for other countries worldwide.

So just because the community was abuzz with hype and you got excited, then let down, you automatically got angry at Bungie.

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  • 12.07.2006 2:47 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

You're all doing it again. I'll come back just to say this:

Perhaps I was vague, but the point of me accenting the fact that I was expressing my opinion was to get across the fact that I know it's an opinion, NOT FACT. I'm completely aware of others' opinions, and that they're allowed to be different and argumentative. I don't expect you all to agree with me. I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm asking you to take my opinion into consideration, at the very least. To read it. To understand what I'm saying. That's all.

However, it appears as though I can't influence people to break away from seeing my words as arrogant and one-sided. So think what you will. I've said what I mean, and many of you still overlook it for some reason.

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Posted by: Shai Hulud
You're all doing it again. I'll come back just to say this:

Perhaps I was vague, but the point of me accenting the fact that I was expressing my opinion was to get across the fact that I know it's an opinion, NOT FACT. I'm completely aware of others' opinions, and that they're allowed to be different and argumentative. I don't expect you all to agree with me. I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm asking you to take my opinion into consideration, at the very least. To read it. To understand what I'm saying. That's all.

However, it appears as though I can't influence people to break away from seeing my words as arrogant and one-sided. So think what you will. I've said what I mean, and many of you still overlook it for some reason.

You know, what comes across is that you are being offensive in assuming everyone is not understanding you. We understand that you were stating your opinion. What you need to understand that an opinion can be rendered invalid or childish when placed in context.

Here's an analogy:

A pair of kids are riding bicycle one summer when their mother calls them in for some ice cream. The younger boy gets excited and thinks that he's going to get a heaping bowl of chocolate ice cream with whipped cream and a cherry.

When they enter, the boy finds out that he has to wait a few minutes to get his ice cream. He is further dismayed when he finds out it's just a small cone of vanilla ice cream.

In frustration, the boy gets angry and yells at the mother because it was his opinion that he would receive something sooner and better. The older boy, however, realized the entire time that their mother only promised ice cream, with no further details. He chides the younger boy, who then screams at the older boy and says that he doesn't understand, when in fact he does.

And in the end, the mother gives the boys their ice cream anyways.

Edit:

Aaaaand now I'm hungry.

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Here's an analogy:

A pair of kids are riding bicycle one summer when their mother calls them in for some ice cream. The younger boy gets excited and thinks that he's going to get a heaping bowl of chocolate ice cream with whipped cream and a cherry.

When they enter, the boy finds out that he has to wait a few minutes to get his ice cream. He is further dismayed when he finds out it's just a small cone of vanilla ice cream.

In frustration, the boy gets angry and yells at the mother because it was his opinion that he would receive something sooner and better. The older boy, however, realized the entire time that their mother only promised ice cream, with no further details. He chides the younger boy, who then screams at the older boy and says that he doesn't understand, when in fact he does.

And in the end, the mother gives the boys their ice cream anyways.

Edit:

Aaaaand now I'm hungry.


Apart from Shai dosent even have a spoon, or even want any ice cream in the first place.

Hes more annoyed that people arent reading what he posted; eg you.

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Posted by: Gendo

Apart from Shai dosent even have a spoon, or even want any ice cream in the first place.

Hes more annoyed that people arent reading what he posted; eg you.

I read what he posted, he doesn't live in any of the contested locations and doesn't have a 360 and blah blah, I'm not going to rehash it.

Thanks for playing.

Edit:

Ok, so add a third kid to my analogy - one that sides with the younger kid even though he apparently has nothing to gain from it.

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"I came, I saw, I castrated the bastards."

I find it incredibly foolish how the Beta spots were distributed to Europe. They were given to different websites, and those sites would have contests to see who gets them. But in reality, I bet that many of those spots are going to the sites creators and their friends. So, at least until another method of signing up is announced, Europe gets screwed over too.
Now I understand that Bungie may not have chosen to do it like this, but they should have at least had a say in it.

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As I said in my thread, it's disgraceful. But people are not interested in playing Bungie's next game. They just want to be seen as respectful (or so they say) on their forums.

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Posted by: JAY132
As I said in my thread, it's disgraceful. But people are not interested in playing Bungie's next game. They just want to be seen as respectful (or so they say) on their forums.

Ugh.

What is a disgrace now? That Bungie has not officially opened up registration internationally and certain members of their community are up in arms about it?

  • 12.07.2006 3:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Zerodev
And in the end, the mother gives the boys their ice cream anyways.
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Which is why I tell my kids; "you get nothing and like it."

As far as there being a double standard for the moderators getting away with things we normal members can't. There is validity to that statement.

Just two weeks ago, impurity went on a spamming rampage and Yoozel only locked his threads and posts (along with about 10 warnings that went unheeded). Anyone else would have been permabanned.

Now I know there's a relationship there, and I understand that. But if the moderators want the members to respect the rules, there has to be some sort of consistency.

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God forbid you send me one of those I was checking for cool gamers and saw you messages too, I will scream to the top of my lungs and smash this damn screen/BlackBerry to pieces! You've been warned -_-

May I ask why people seem upset with Bungie?

  • 12.07.2006 4:28 PM PDT