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Subject: 8 Seconds: The Brutes ride to battle!
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You did write alot and I give you credit for that. But why would they ride on another animal that is sort of fast and only good at close range. It would be like us using a horse in battle against a squad of marines with GUNS. Besides, too easy to snipe. And the people at Bungie are not directly taking things from The Lord of the Rings, he only compared it to them. But you did get alot of info to support yourself, so good job.

  • 05.22.2004 12:23 AM PDT
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I'm not sure about all that, but I'd like to play a Brute in MP :).

  • 05.22.2004 12:26 AM PDT
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well this secret character frankie refers to does not have to be that character that you described (the one mentioned in game informer). also the secret character that frankie refers to may not be a covenant, or an emeny at all. i was also thinking that there are supposed to be animals in halo 2, so maybe the giant creature mentioned by game informer may just be an animal that we come across sometime in the game.

you do have a nice theory though, and it certainly is a possibility

  • 05.22.2004 12:29 AM PDT

Posted by: DrummDragon
But why would they ride on another animal that is sort of fast and only good at close range. It would be like us using a horse in battle against a squad of marines with GUNS. Besides, too easy to snipe. And the people at Bungie are not directly taking things from The Lord of the Rings, he only compared it to them.



One might also say that it would be easy to snipe the Brutes because they aren't wearing energy shieds, but we know that they will have some armor... same would go for this beast. It is quite evident that the Brutes prefer up and close combat, as shown by the 2003 E3 demo and the books, so it would seem more likely for them to ride a "beast" that fights best up close, without having to be contolled... unlike the Elites who can't fight and drive the ghost at the same time.

Oh, and I'm not saying that Bungie is stealing anything from the Ring Trilogy. All great epics, The Matrix, Lord of the Ring, Star Wars, Gilgamesh, fill in the blank, are one in the same, they're just repackaged for a new audience. So with that said, this beast would be a missing puzzle piece to the great epic Bungie is making. Thanks for the comments though:)

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  • 05.22.2004 12:37 AM PDT
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I think if anything, the Grunts are going to ride the Brutes.


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A Brute riding a creature... it'd have to be an elephant. Or a wooly-mammoth; Yea, a mammoth might do it.

  • 05.22.2004 12:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: p1acebo
I think if anything, the Grunts are going to ride the Brutes
i agree with you there. that would really be awesome. i bet those brutes could carry like 10 grunts. i really dont think the brutes need to or will ride anything, seeing how they dropped out of a phantom in last years demo

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  • 05.22.2004 12:46 AM PDT

Yes, it would be epic in scale... that is my point:) A beast, not a horse, would have to fill this role.

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First, I see no reason a beast would need to ride a beast. Second there is no evidence of a ground invasion of earth. A ground invasion on earth would take up most of the game, it has been stated by Bungie that the earth levels will not take most of the game. Not only that but in the e32 2003 demo, there was a downed covenent cruiser, that is why that particular part of the planet had not been glassed yet.

  • 05.22.2004 2:53 AM PDT

There are many reasons a beast would ride a beast. Mainly, as I stated before, for increased efficience, better battle tactics, and it fits the profile of the Brute, more, than say, a ghost. Secondly, I find it more likely that the Covenant will not glass Earth. There are to many unanswered questions for Halo 2 to assume either alternative, but most of those questions point towards a ground invasion. Bungie has stated that their will be several locations on Earth at which you will be fighting. In the E3 vid, you can see heavy ground fighting all over the planet. Why would the Covenant send ground forces all over the planet if they were just there to glass it in the first place... I guess half of the Covenant fleet crashed on Earth:) Also, at the end of the 2003 E3 demo, the Covenant version of ODST's are sent in from orbit, not from the downed Covenant cruiser. For these reasons, among others, I say that there is a plenty of evidence pointing to a ground invasion of Earth.

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First, it's not efficient to ride something that you are stronger and tougher than. Before you say well they can be stronger and tougher, they can't if you read first strike you will learn that Brutes are the strongest and toughest in the covenent. So no I can assure you 100% you will not see Brutes 'riding' anything. As for the other thing, First you did not see a ground invasion all over the planet. You saw a ground invasion in ONE city, and actually if you pay attention, in the first trailer we got, you can see large explosions all over the planet (Glassing? Nukes? Certainly not ground invasion). Secondly, if the covenent were looking for something on earth, they would still glass most of the planet first, leaving the area they want. Go read TFoR. Finally yes, you did see what appears to be special ops Elites drop from orbit. That clearly helps make my case as they were obviously there to stop MC from getting to that Cruiser. That whole vid was based on that Cruiser. The Chiefs mission was to get to that Cruiser for something, apparently something important if the Covenent were willing to use Brutes, and special ops Elites to protect it.

  • 05.22.2004 6:09 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

I'm not sure what the point of all this is...

But, I'll just say that although Brutes don't use shields and high-tech gadgets (aside from their guns), that doesn't mean that they won't use vehicles and what-not to get the job done (if that's what you're trying to say).

I'll take a moment to compare the Brutes to the Fremen Fedaykin of Dune. The Fedaykin are awesome fighters, unmatched by anyone. They use knives, pistols, and rifles... nothing high-tech, and they don't use shields (which exist in the Duniverse). Although they prefer to fight with the knife, nothing will stop them from using Shai-Hulud (a giant sandworm) as a means of transportation or even as a means of running over and gobbling up an enemy...

This is what I gathered from your post... If I'm way off, I apologize.

  • 05.22.2004 6:40 PM PDT
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I think it would be cool if they rode an animal, but where would they get them..

Bring them on their ship? They would make the ship smell, they would crap everywhere and theres the lot of food and water. Seems like a waste because they are gonna get shot anyway.

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all i can say is that if they DID ride some kind of beast into battle, imagine the very interesting boarding situations that would lead to...

  • 05.22.2004 7:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Bring the Noise
First, it's not efficient to ride something that you are stronger and tougher than. Before you say well they can be stronger and tougher, they can't if you read first strike you will learn that Brutes are the strongest and toughest in the covenent. So no I can assure you 100% you will not see Brutes 'riding' anything. As for the other thing, First you did not see a ground invasion all over the planet. You saw a ground invasion in ONE city, and actually if you pay attention, in the first trailer we got, you can see large explosions all over the planet (Glassing? Nukes? Certainly not ground invasion). Secondly, if the covenent were looking for something on earth, they would still glass most of the planet first, leaving the area they want. Go read TFoR. Finally yes, you did see what appears to be special ops Elites drop from orbit. That clearly helps make my case as they were obviously there to stop MC from getting to that Cruiser. That whole vid was based on that Cruiser. The Chiefs mission was to get to that Cruiser for something, apparently something important if the Covenent were willing to use Brutes, and special ops Elites to protect it.


Sorry for note posting back. I've been camping for the last few days... no internet in the woods:)

First off, your name fits your persona well. Secondly, as for this whole thing about the Brutes riding a beast yada, yada, yada... I was in no way saying that I "bet my life that this will happen!" I never state, as you do, that I can assure you 100% that this will happen. I could go either way on the Brutes ridding the beast, and that is why I brought it up for discussion. I did not start a thread on the topic so that I could get into some sort of hormonal piss fight that neither side will win. There are many reasons that a Brute would ride a beast, and there are many other reasons that they wouldn't ride a beast. I gave explanations as to why the Brutes would ride a beast so that this thread wasn't a pointless waste of text and time with no ideas to back it up. So, to that end, we could both be right, and only playing the final product will give either of us 100% assurance that this will or won't happen.

Now, back to the points you are making. Yes, we both agree that there are explosions all over the planet, but to assume that the Covenant are glassing the planet isn't a fair assessment. If you ask me, the Covenant are not glassing the planet in that vid. If they were, then we would see plasma and such coming from the Covenant spacecrafts... we don't see anything coming from those spacecraft. Those explosins are more than likely nukes or some sort of explosions from the Covenant forces on the ground. Again, the explosions are not being caused by the Covenant spacecrafts, and if you've read TFoR, then you would know that a huge fleet if Covenant craft would be used if they were glassing the planet. We would see something from the Covenant crafts if they were glassing the planet. So, I have to ask myself, why would we (or the Covenant) be using huge amounts of explosives on the ground, and all over the planet if there wasn't a Covenant ground invasion taking place... I guess the humans turned on each other in there final minutes???

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Please try to refrain yourself from give incomplete lecture on the vids, books, and anything else related to the Halo universe. I clearly would have read the books, seen all the vids, and read most of the articles if I were to make the comments that I have in this thread. So, since you felt the need to give me your two cents, here is mine for you. Don't stick your nose were it stinks, you'll only make it worse:)


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  • 05.25.2004 1:53 PM PDT
Subject: 8 Seconds: The Brutes ride to battle!

In the newest OXM, Sehik Wang, the Halo 2 enemy designer, refers to the Brutes as the "The Uruk-hai of Halo 2"... you know, the bad@$$ warriors in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. From what I can gather, the Brutes are called "Brutes" because that is the way they live, die, and fight. They don't need any "Techno God Toys" to do their damage, unlike the Elites. In this weeks update, one of the animation guys describes studying "some biker movies" for animation tips... I guess that is why he's watching biker moveis:) Anyways, this got me thinking??? If the Brutes are animal in nature, reference to the rhino and gorilla comparisons in the new update, then it seems likely that they may have a partner, one on which they ride to battle on. What I'm referring to, is a "top heavey beast capable of flipping over vehicles". We've all heard about the secrect character being worked on that is top heavy and beast like in nature. I'm thinking that it may possibly be some sort of "Covenant Bull", if you will, that the Brutes ride.

WHAT!!! I know it sounds "out of this world" to think of a Covenant race that doesn't take advantage of the all the high tech weaponary of the Covenant Empire. But, it has been established that the Brutes are beastlike, they prefer no energy sheild, and they seem to use more "RAW" battle techniques and tactics. Another thing to consider is, the Brutes have been described as the Urik-hai. If you've seen any of the Ring Trilogy, then you might remember a certain "top heavey beast" that the forces of Moridor (Spelling?) had at their disposal. There is even a skirmish in the 2nd movie in which these beast carry Orks into battle.

I realize that in the 2003 E3 demo there are shots of Brutes chasing the Master Chief on ghost; nevertheless, that alone doesn't discredit my thoughts. Those shots are of a chase scene, not a battle. In battle, one uses different techniques to aquire victory; and, for that reason, we may see the Brutes ridding beast into battle. These beast are scarier than ghost, better suited for the tactics of close combat, and they match the Brute profile as a whole. You might ask, why haven't we seen this creature before in the books? I would say, that we haven't seen an attack in which considerable amounts of Covenant ground forces are used to take controll of a planet. In the books, the closest thing that we see to a full ground invasion of a Planet is the Fall of Reach. Even in that situation, much of the planet was glassed, and no Brutes were used in the ground invasion forces. There is to much evidence pointing to a FULL ground invasion of Earth... no glassing of the planet, if you ask m opinion. If this, a full ground invasion of Earth, is the case, then I believe that it is possible the Brutes will be incorporated into the ground forces, along with some sort of beast which they ride.

[color=yellow]Do you all see this as a possiblity, or am I completely off?[/color]


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  • 05.22.2004 12:08 AM PDT
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I think it would be a kick arse idea for ANY covenant to ride on something like that. it would be an added twist.

  • 05.29.2004 6:01 PM PDT