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Subject: Bungie Fans

Posted by: BobBQ
And now you want to know why we come across as vicious bastards?


You don't come off a vicious to me. I also haven't had a bad run in with one of you, though, so I may not quite understand how vicious you can be.

  • 12.05.2006 8:30 PM PDT

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I suggest resigning if it's not any fun anymore BobBQ. Sure you lose the power, but if it's not worth it anymore, what's the point right?

  • 12.05.2006 8:35 PM PDT

Posted by: MikeNeel
I suggest resigning if it's not any fun anymore BobBQ. Sure you lose the power, but if it's not worth it anymore, what's the point right?


I would suggest the opposite.

Sure, it is somewhat less fun being a mod, but you do get the recognition and that "warm fuzzy feeling" that you actually helped some in keeping this place awsome for everyone.

Not to mention, you seem to be a fairly good mod. It would be a shame to lose ya.

[Edited on 12/5/2006]

  • 12.05.2006 8:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: MikeNeel
I suggest resigning if it's not any fun anymore BobBQ. Sure you lose the power, but if it's not worth it anymore, what's the point right?


Because when nobody wants to be a moderator, there's no one to fill the void. Then spam starts piling up, and the other moderators have extra work to do.

If I may, it's an action done for the love of the commonwealth rather than the love of the self. It's so Platonic...*Sniff*...it's beautiful, really.

  • 12.05.2006 8:39 PM PDT
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Well, it's not like being a moderator was ever supposed to be "fun". To quote a rather reliable source, we're doing a "volunteer gig that comes with very little in the way of rewards. Instead (of having fun) you will spend your free time deleting threads, thwarting spam and trying to help our forum goers have a good experience...".

I didn't expect fun, I didn't expect easy, and I certainly didn't expect every PM I got to be a friendly one. But hey, I'm just that charitable, I guess.

-TGP-

  • 12.05.2006 8:42 PM PDT

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Well as long as you never end up "having" to come here and mod and as long as you "want" to be here, I suppose there's nothing wrong with that. Than again I prolly don't know what I'm talking about. Everyone loves power and respect, and the mods do get more of that than hate for the most part I'm assuming.

  • 12.05.2006 8:48 PM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

Posted by: Mabian
If I may, it's an action done for the love of the commonwealth rather than the love of the self. It's so Platonic...*Sniff*...it's beautiful, really.

Law of the wolves, really. If I quit, it's just going to make things harder for the rest.

Things wouldn't go back to the way they used to be even if I did, so I might as well keep trying.

  • 12.05.2006 8:51 PM PDT
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Location: Outlaws' Summit.

If you guys don't find moderating fun, why not try and make it fun?

Try to do what you did before the white text. Even if it brings a little extra attention on your behalf. I mean, why do it if you aren't going to enjoy it a little?

  • 12.05.2006 8:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: BobBQ
Law of the wolves, really. If I quit, it's just going to make things harder for the rest.

Things wouldn't go back to the way they used to be even if I did, so I might as well keep trying.


You know, you could have pretended that I was right about the reason. Though I suppose what you said isn't all that different.

It's too bad you're not a Platonist. Then you could view justice as an end for good, and be perfectly content with everything you have to put up with.

  • 12.05.2006 9:00 PM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Try to do what you did before the white text. Even if it brings a little extra attention on your behalf. I mean, why do it if you aren't going to enjoy it a little?

Oh, I tried... and then people started telling me that my jokes are tasteless. They made a rule banning topics about ninja. I catch flak for doing things that nobody complained about in my first three years here.

And anyone who does laugh at a line of mine is now automatically a suck-up, it seems.

IRT Mabian:

You were pretty much right, actually. I am very familiar with Plato; I'd think quite highly of some of his writings if I weren't already a nihilist.

In the interest of keeping this on-topic, I'd appreciate it if you'd all let this drop. Save the hugs for poor Pezza.

[Edited on 12/5/2006]

  • 12.05.2006 9:10 PM PDT

I know for a fact that there are plenty of idiotic and normal Bungie fans. I know one of the truely rabid ones in real life that is like "OMGZORZ Mi RANK JUS7 W3N7 UP! PR41Z3 M3 A5 G0D OR F34R Mi RATH!11!", but I also know a few that are normal citizens of society that dose not go crazy about the crap. I know the game is awsome and all, but I don't like to think that I tend to get irritating with it.

I can truthfully say that I do occasionaly have my fanboy moments. once almost got in a nery fight in the middle of Wal-Mart when I went with a friend when he was going to get his 360. The stupid dude that was getting the thing in the electronics section said something about the PS3 going to be better than the 360 and both my friend and I were like, "You just said what?" I could elaborate on what happened, but that is for a different thread on a different day.

  • 12.05.2006 9:19 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

How can you make such a sweeping generalization? Lumping everyone into the same pidgin-hole is way to simplistic. When your dealing with something like a million members, there is no such thing as "only good members" or "only bad members". Its a grey area. True, some of us are a little, testy, but many of us are nice and helpful.

All I'm saying is, when something is as big and complex as Bungie.net, there is no simplistic category everyone can fall into in regards to outward behavior.

Maybe I misunderstood your complaint. Are you calling all B.net members mean spirited?

  • 12.05.2006 9:30 PM PDT

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I'm calling the MAJORITY of all the ACTIVE members to be somewhat unruly. Sure there are the people that just read and never respond and then there are the few that read and rarely respond because they dont have anything new to add because the main points already been made. But IMO most active B.net members are more likely to either whine or flame. No offense to those of you that don't do this but surely it seems like those that don't are outnumbered by those that do.

  • 12.05.2006 9:36 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

Posted by: MikeNeel
I'm calling the MAJORITY of all the ACTIVE members to be somewhat unruly. Sure there are the people that just read and never respond and then there are the few that read and rarely respond because they don't have anything new to add because the main points already been made. But IMO most active B.net members are more likely to either whine or flame. No offense to those of you that don't do this but surely it seems like those that don't are outnumbered by those that do.

Sometimes. It depends on the forum your in. As someone on the first page said, (was it ICEMAN or Mabain?) the Septagon is pretty devoid of that behavior. So is the Underground.

But the Flood and New Mombassa can be pretty harsh at times. So can the Optimatch and the H3 forum. Its just that all these^ forums get a lot more traffic than the "nicer" ones. But I guess that's more evidence to your point. Because more people post in the "meaner" forums, its easier to notice that kind of behavior. So I guess that there might be more unruly members than nice members. But I don't think that.

Its just easier to notice that kind of behavior. Good posts don't stick out as much.

  • 12.05.2006 9:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: MikeNeel
I'm calling the MAJORITY of all the ACTIVE members to be somewhat unruly. Sure there are the people that just read and never respond and then there are the few that read and rarely respond because they don't have anything new to add because the main points already been made. But IMO most active B.net members are more likely to either whine or flame. No offense to those of you that don't do this but surely it seems like those that don't are outnumbered by those that do.

Sometimes. It depends on the forum your in. As someone on the first page said, (was it ICEMAN or Mabain?) the Septagon is pretty devoid of that behavior. So is the Underground.

But the Flood and New Mombassa can be pretty harsh at times. So can the Optimatch and the H3 forum. Its just that all these^ forums get a lot more traffic than the "nicer" ones. But I guess that's more evidence to your point. Because more people post in the "meaner" forums, its easier to notice that kind of behavior. So I guess that there might be more unruly members than nice members. But I don't think that.

Its just easier to notice that kind of behavior. Good posts don't stick out as much.


I really don't know about the majority being nice members. I'm pretty sure that we have more unruly ones.

I try to notice the good posts and I even occasionally bookmark them, but I have not seen anything really worth reading recently.

Many of the activity I have seen in the last month has been somewhat unruly.

  • 12.05.2006 9:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: RecurngNightmar
Many of the activity I have seen in the last month has been somewhat unruly.

Suffice to say, the activity here isn't getting better.

-TGP-

  • 12.05.2006 9:53 PM PDT

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I actually prefer the Septagon over all the other forums mainly because you have a chance in here. If you go to Halo 3 your post will never make it because as soon as you type one word 5 new topics about the commercial have been made and so on. New Mombasa is just a chat room similar to the flood and the Underground gets everything locked before anything can be said. And I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who thinks the unruly outnumber the ruly.

  • 12.05.2006 9:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: RecurngNightmar
Many of the activity I have seen in the last month has been somewhat unruly.

Suffice to say, the activity here isn't getting better.

-TGP-


I said, "many of the activity"... I feel bad now... I meant "much of the activity"...

Posted by: MikeNeel
I actually prefer the Septagon over all the other forums mainly because you have a chance in here. If you go to Halo 3 your post will never make it because as soon as you type one word 5 new topics about the commercial have been made and so on. New Mombasa is just a chat room similar to the flood and the Underground gets everything locked before anything can be said. And I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who thinks the unruly outnumber the ruly.


Amen to that brother! ;P

Truely, I completely agree with you there. This is about the only place that isn't a group where you can find a normal conversation, but the beta, ad, ect talk seems to even be leaking here! Refer to this post for proof...

Edit: I just got a new opinion!

I have a feeling that things will get progressively worse with the community here until Halo 3 is realeased then it may actually either hit an all time high or low before finally returning to a good, less unruly state than what we are currently seeing. I think many of the problems that we are seeing now can be attributed to people who come here just to fuss about something or blabber about the same thing that everyone else has said more than... lets say 15 times.

[Edited on 12/5/2006]

  • 12.05.2006 9:58 PM PDT
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Osmosis!

I agree with the thread starter, over the last month it seems, things have gone overboard. I'm glad I'm not a moderator, you guys do a great job, but there's no way I'd take your position.

The point about people slagging on Live, I find it funny that a large portion of XBL players and forum goers use -blam!- references to peoples mothers. I'd like to know how many of the could get themselves laid, let alone get a married woman to do them.

  • 12.05.2006 10:46 PM PDT
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if you guys were around before the new hotness, you would'nt know what to think. Back then i couldn't wait to get here to the forums. Until recently i quit coming because of the hostility and people being rude. Sometimes its funny and everyone gets a laugh, but sometimes people do take offense, and the internet barrier keeps those rude people from caring.

  • 12.06.2006 12:05 AM PDT
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If there were more mods, all of B.net would be better.
I demand an immediate ninja recruitment campaign!

  • 12.06.2006 2:59 AM PDT
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some of this is true, but not all fans act like this, there are also true halo/bungie fans who appriciate the work bungie has done.
i'm one of them.

and for all the people who are always cursing on live or somewhere else, those are just people who have no life, sad people who always get picked on, and who have to bring there hate here. It's not that hard to do, just type the words.


Anyway, i'll like this appertunity to thank bungie again for the great game and everything around it.

THANK YOU................

  • 12.06.2006 3:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
What you're seeing is disgruntled fans. And seeing as how people notice the anamolies, they get a little more attention than the actual fans, because we want to see why they aren't satisfied with their products.

They have a right to. Sometimes it's a good thing, because Bungie can see what's wrong. The bad part is that after the explanation and debate is over, if the ranting still continues, then it's just whining, that's all.

I consider myself a die-hard fan, I appreciate all the work Bungie has done.

But... unless you are 110% satisfied with everything, you're not an 'actual' fan? Voicing valid concerns automatically means you're no longer an 'actual' fan?

Please define this 'over' point also. Seeing as anything said past this point constitutes as 'whining', I [i]must[i/] know for future reference.

Point-making satire aside, a gold stamp doesn't equal a 'done' thread. It simply means there has been official commentary. There are plenty of other issues that can't be wrapped up in a single post, especially in regards to member opinions (occasionally the lack thereof), not Bungie.

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  • 12.06.2006 3:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
What you're seeing is disgruntled fans. And seeing as how people notice the anamolies, they get a little more attention than the actual fans, because we want to see why they aren't satisfied with their products.

They have a right to. Sometimes it's a good thing, because Bungie can see what's wrong. The bad part is that after the explanation and debate is over, if the ranting still continues, then it's just whining, that's all.

I consider myself a die-hard fan, I appreciate all the work Bungie has done.


As do I. I find their efforts of pleasing the fans to be noble, to say the least. I mean, when it's all said and done, it's still just a video game we're talking about here. But it's the dedication to the common people that makes Bungie so unique.

That's not to say they don't have flaws, because they do. But for what it's worth, they do what they do well.

But... unless you are 110% satisfied with everything, you're not an 'actual' fan? Voicing valid concerns automatically means you're no longer an 'actual' fan?

Nah, not quite. I don't think that.

There are plenty of flaws with Bungie and the way they handle things. That's why they expect people to help them find these flaws, and possibly help fix them. And it's because of us why they're even here today. So any problems we have should be at least aknowledged, and they more or less are. Voicing these problems doesn't make you any less of a fan.

Please define this 'over' point also. Seeing as anything said past this point constitutes as 'whining', I must know for future reference.

Whenever someone has a problem on this site and they ask for an admin's point of view, that's when a giant debate begins. We've seen this before in plenty of threads.

What happens is someone makes the thread, an admin (usually Achronos) replies with a response, then said thread creator starts breaking up each paragraph with a response to his, and then it goes back and forth for a while.

And along the way, the answer is delievered as to why Bungie did the particular thing in question. But the thread creator wants more. He wants to pick apart words and posts, even when the answer has been given. Why? Beats me. If I have a question and someone gives me an answer, I'll respond to it, highlight the parts I don't understand, then leave the discussion with my questions answered. But all too often I've seen people just drag out discussions for 10 pages even though the answer has been given.

Point-making satire aside, a gold stamp doesn't equal a 'done' thread. It simply means there has been official commentary. There are plenty of other issues that can't be wrapped up in a single post, especially in regards to member opinions (occasionally the lack thereof), not Bungie.

I agree with you on that. Just because Achronos responds to a thread doesn't mean it's over by any means. But when the question has been answered, and someone continues to drag out the discussion, then it's no longer a discussion.

Take button glitch threads (hate to use this as an example.) Button glitch threads exploded a while back, with two sides continually arguing. Until one day Achronos stopped by a big one, and gave official word on why it's cheating. The thread creator debates for clarity, and ends up being wrong anyway. But for some reason, he insisted on carrying the discussion way longer than it should have been and it ended up being a back and forth arguement on a moot topic.

I have no problem with people who disagree with Bungie decisions. There are a lot things they could improve on, but when they give word on why something is done for a particular reason, and people respond just to argue the same thing over and over, that's what makes it whining (in my opinion.)

  • 12.06.2006 5:53 AM PDT
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Sometimes I feel like the only one who really doesn't have a problem with the community. Almost every community you go on teh interwebs looks almost exactly the same or worse in my opinion. No matter where you go you're going to get a few idiots, so really with a community as big as this one you're going to get quite a few. Yes, Halo 3 forum might move at 10x the speed of light, but for the most part everyone acts civil in there, at least from what I've seen. Maybe its just that I haven't actually been following stuff as closely as I used to, but I really haven't seen a change or think that most people are unruly.

  • 12.06.2006 8:05 AM PDT

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