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This is why my parents hardly ever let me play video games.....

In short, ths MSNBC article cites a study which found a large increase in the brain activity associated with agression in teens playing a violent game versus teens playing Need For Speed (completley lacking in any indecent material).

While playing "ultra-violent"video games, do you think that you "feel an uncontrollable urge to go on a shooting rampage"? Yes, that is a direct quote from the article. What's more, it references Medal Of Honor: Frontline as one of the "ultra-violent games" used in the study. MOH: F may be pretty bloody, but I at least you're not sawing people in half with an assault-rifle mounted chainsaw.

Besides the article's obvious lack of familiarity with video games, the "science" contained within pretty much pisses me off. Sure, maybe there's an increase of some chemical in my brain when I splatter someone against a wall, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be able to control the impulse to go kill someone in real life. What it basically boils down to is some idiot in a lab coat telling the parents of America that their kids are so immature that when they see a bit of blood, they're going to lack the self control to not steal Daddy's gun and try out a little Halo on the neighbor's dog. With a tested IQ of 124, I think that I can probably figure out that killing people in real ife is probably frowned upon.

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Then again, that's just my anger at having my parents make me play Color with Elmo instead of Halo. What's your opinion?

  • 12.10.2006 9:17 AM PDT
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While this thread would be better suited to the flood (not saying this is a bad thing, I've taken several forays into the flood and I find it kind of interesting)

The thing most people don't realize is that violent video games (and movies) do NOT cause people to think violent thoughts, or to go on a shooting rampage. Violent video games are a trigger for previously ingrained violent behavior. Meaning, these violent tendancies are already there under the surface, just waiting for the right stimulus to assert itself.

Violent video games, action movies, television, even something your grandmother says at the dinner table can trigger a violent episode. But they don't create the violent tendancies in the first place. So when you see people go on a rampage, it's because they're already predisposed towards violence.

I've been playing video games since I was four years old. I've been playing violent video games since Doom, Duke Nukem, Goldeneye, etc. And so far I haven't gone out and shot anyone.

  • 12.10.2006 9:32 AM PDT
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Good timing for this thread, I'm doing my speech project over this (has to be something controversial)

What the media doesn't say is this:
In 2004, 54% of games were rated “E” for Everyone, 33% were rated “T” for Teen, and only 12% were rated “M” for Mature. The vast majority of the best-selling titles every year are not rated “M.” Compare that to the 55% of movies rated “R” and only 8% rated “G.” The ESRB might not get it right all the time, but who does? (Sources: the ESRB and the NPD Group).

Why blame it all on video games?

In my opinion, it all comes down to how the child is raised. Video games won't make you go out and shoot somebody... They may give you new ideas, but heak, so do movies, TV shows, magazines etc.

  • 12.10.2006 9:34 AM PDT
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I'm just glad Halo isn't more graphic, or more people analysing the violence behind it. I'd hate to see the real effects of plasma searing someone to death, or rockets shattering half the bones in someone's body and liquefying organs, or indeed the MC's augumented strenght slamming into another's spine.

  • 12.10.2006 11:29 AM PDT
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I made a sizable rant on this before that exposed allot of holes in their research, but it boils down to this:

Hitler didn't play video games.

People just like to believe those scientists because the have more degrees than most thermometers, but that doesn't make them smart, they can still be ignorant.

  • 12.10.2006 11:30 AM PDT
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Seriously, scientists can well be called "dumbasses in white raincoats". Just because they graduated from different colleges 50 billion times, doesn't mean they know the true insights of individuals' brains and thoughts.

I say at least 90% of teens these days who play violent video games, does not, and I mean does not go out and shoot people, or blow up cars for fun. Like lot of people here already mentioned, it's just a "trigger" of the effect, not the cause. Why in the world are they only blaming video games, when there are even more graphic movies and TV shows out there. Video games are merely animated stuff, sure they look realistic, but it's all pixels. Movies and such actually show life-like organs being eaten by flesh-eating zombies, intestines being blown out by a mortar, etc.

Overall, scientists, or should I say "dumbasses in white raincoats", should all go to their dark corners and go back to work on their liquids. Better yet, instead of forcing every American parents to not let their children get exposed to these stuff, they should be trying to find a cure for cancer. Or find a way to get out of their pathetic looking white raincoats.


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I'm just glad Halo isn't more graphic, or more people analysing the violence behind it. I'd hate to see the real effects of plasma searing someone to death, or rockets shattering half the bones in someone's body and liquefying organs, or indeed the MC's augumented strenght slamming into another's spine.


Oh....I'm going to have nightmares about your paragraph...xD

[Edited on 12/10/2006]

  • 12.10.2006 12:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: trekkie
Hitler didn't play video games.


No, but Lee Boyd Malvo did. he was one of the 2003 DC snipers that killed almost 10 people. As I remember, a large part of Malvo's defense was that he had become de-sensitized to violence from years of playing violent games. It didn't get him off, but it certainly helped to raise some pity among the jury.

I didn't say the scientists were wrong about video games causing violent impulses, I just said that for the large majority of teens, the urge to kill people is not as strong as many ESRB-loving Bible-banging Mothers Against Video games would have you believe.

Thank God for the only intelligent forum left. I have to admit, I wasn't expecting more than one-line replies. Thank you all for replying!

  • 12.10.2006 12:44 PM PDT
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The mind, or psych, as you like to call it, is about the most complex thing most people will see here on Earth. You simply cannot understand it, and it is unpredictable. You can't replicate it, and you can't pattern it.

[in responce the the post that appeared above me]

First, that sniper was probable trying to get the psycho charge so he could have some nice cushy room to escape from. Second, pressing some buttons and seeing some light on a screen that represents gore is much different from actually shooting somebody, and quite a few people are simply incapable of killing another human. You can't very well kill your conscience, although it is possible.

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Thank God for the only intelligent forum left. I have to admit, I wasn't expecting more than one-line replies. Thank you all for replying!


Yeah. People in the Flood still haven't passed 3rd grade yet, but their parents still allow them internet access. The Flood is a sad, sad land... Oh and yes, New Mombassa is literally war-torn, it seems there was a war between intelligent teens/adults and kindergarteners in there. I think the kindergarteners won. =/

  • 12.10.2006 12:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: ChAiRMaNWoW
No, but Lee Boyd Malvo did. he was one of the 2003 DC snipers that killed almost 10 people. As I remember, a large part of Malvo's defense was that he had become de-sensitized to violence from years of playing violent games. It didn't get him off, but it certainly helped to raise some pity among the jury.



Anyone else think that that was an excuse? The bastard couldn't take the blame, so he put it on computer games. What a waste of space. [/angryness]

  • 12.10.2006 1:37 PM PDT
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Yes, as Ipjuunin said, scientists are dumbasses in white raincoats. It's preposterous that shootings are caused by violent video games. Pushing buttons doesn't drive one to murder. No, the thing that makes people violent is the environment in which they live in. For example, I saw a Law and Order episode about a teenager with abusive parents. He dissected animals alive and made violent cartoons about people cutting heads off, eating eathother, etc. And it's true that Hitler DIDN'T play video games, and look how screwed up he turned out. I'll bet Osama Binladen doesn't play video games. I'll bet Sadaam Hussen didn't play video games. The fact is, playing video games DOES NOT give people the urge to kill. And the DC sniper? That was a complete excuse to gain mercy from the jury.

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  • 12.10.2006 2:16 PM PDT
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Things like this piss me off. "Scientists" who want publicity and have some problems decide to carry out studies in an attempt to prevent kids from playing violent videogames. This is BS, but when someone's mom hears about it, and obviously, that mom knows nothing about games herself, she gets all worried and starts panicking because her kid played as a futuristic soldier that saws "people" in half. I just hope their efferts are useless, and games like GOW don't actually get banned.

  • 12.10.2006 2:19 PM PDT
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Things like this piss me off. "Scientists" who want publicity and have some problems decide to carry out studies in an attempt to prevent kids from playing violent videogames. This is BS, but when someone's mom hears about it, and obviously, that mom knows nothing about games herself, she gets all worried and starts panicking because her kid played as a futuristic soldier that saws "people" in half. I just hope their efferts are useless, and games like GOW don't actually get banned.


Oh, they deserve more worse my friend. Remember in the movie and the game "Doom" and "Doom 3", the scientists (that fits my description) were basically brutalized in every possible way by the demons. Let's just say...I wish worse for them... xD [/evil laughter]

  • 12.10.2006 5:18 PM PDT
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*is drawn back to the Maw by the scent of an intelligent topic*
Has anyone done research on how many murderers escaped justice because of stuff they learned by watching CSI? Didn't think so.
The Big Screen vs Small Screen war has started to heat up. Quick! Everyone pick a side!

  • 12.10.2006 5:48 PM PDT

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I read the whole article. No need to act all offended. Adults are just preocupied by us (their children, or a.k.a to them "babies") and decide to make stupid things like that. Overprotection is the right term for that. Look on the good side, a lot of parents say that violent games are fine and do not believe in such studies. And even if this geniuses in white labcoats say violent games are bad, they cannot make a difference on rates of people buying those video games. Do not forget the adults that play video games. Most of them are not willing to go buy a "Learn the alphabet with Elmo" game and buy games such as Halo, Quake, F.E.A.R, and Call of Duty.

And who, really, can argue with that?

I can. Anybody can.

  • 12.10.2006 6:08 PM PDT

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lmfao The other was the ultra-violent first-person shooter “Medal of Honor: Frontline.”

frontline is not even that friggen violent, there's no blood or guts or anythign? it's just a shooter!

maybe some language btu come on!

I don't see that much violence in it, or enough to make it "ultra violent"

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Then again, that's just my anger at having my parents make me play Color with Elmo instead of Halo. What's your opinion?

1V1 me at Color with Elmo. I'll own your ass.

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  • 12.10.2006 6:41 PM PDT
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the thing is that when they did ths test they didn't take the people that have been playing their whole life. to se what damge they have done

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I think you guys are being too harsh on the scientists. They made their report factually (though there may be some arguements about the validity of some of their methods), and it's really the MEDIA you should be shouting at. And for those saying Medal of Honor isn't ultraviolent, it has PEOPLE SHOOTING EACH OTHER in it - which compared to normal life is quite very violent indeed. It could prove desenestising to some people (Ooh, look, I can shoot people and all that happens is some red spray and they fall over and die - it must be that easy in real life). And just because 99% of people wouldn't be affected adversely by this kind of computer gaming, would you still be ok if someone DID turn psycho and killed a loved one because of it? Now, movies and films have been showing blood and violence for a long while now, and it causes murders and so on (I recall 2 Scottish kids killing an English guy after seeing Braveheart) but games provide further interaction into violence, and this may affect many more people due to this. I'm not saying to ban computer game violence or anything but at LEAST let there be scientific tests carried out to determine if there is a problem or not. Just in case.

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I'm just glad Halo isn't more graphic, or more people analysing the violence behind it. I'd hate to see the real effects of plasma searing someone to death, or rockets shattering half the bones in someone's body and liquefying organs, or indeed the MC's augumented strenght slamming into another's spine.


Oh....I'm going to have nightmares about your paragraph...xD


Thank you, I try.

Think about 7.62 rounds tearing through armour and shredding flesh, or a bullet the size of a pen ripping through your chestplate, or even a .50 bullet round detonating in your brain splattering the remains on your visor. Or bodies, burnt black with fuel, crushed under tanks and cars and purple alien wings.

Really, that's what you're doing in Halo, and I think that people forget that a lot. That's one step of desensetizing.

Not that that stops me from frying some n00bs. *takes out flamethrower*

  • 12.10.2006 7:23 PM PDT

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And for those saying Medal of Honor isn't ultraviolent, it has PEOPLE SHOOTING EACH OTHER in it - which compared to normal life is quite very violent indeed


yeah I know it's violent, but not that violent, there are other games with more gore, guts, bleeding, etc, IMO medal of honor isn't that bad, they can just take out ultra violent lol, but I guess it's all right as long as it's über-madness ultra-mega-death violent

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The fact that people killing each other with little bits of whizzing lead can be described as 'not that violent' is precisely the reasoning behind these tests and so forth. It's in a videogame, yes, but it's still simulating people dying (and usually by your hand).

  • 12.10.2006 7:45 PM PDT

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The fact that people killing each other with little bits of whizzing lead can be described as 'not that violent' is precisely the reasoning behind these tests and so forth. It's in a videogame, yes, but it's still simulating people dying (and usually by your hand).


guess we need licenses to kill eh?

  • 12.10.2006 7:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: ChAiRMaNWoW
MOH: F may be pretty bloody,


medal of honor doesnt have blood effects. probably the bloodiest thing inany MOH game are dust spots that appear where your enemy was shot. I dont know if frontline has blood effects but every other medal of honor game ive played doesnt have it.

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Hell no. I play halo alot, I play in rather hectic games, so there is more blood around the place, it pretty much looks like a war zone, and I have played perfect dark 64, which pretty gory/violent. but I would never even punch someone unless they asked me to. And even then, not hard, and in the arm.

People who do what they see in video games and on TV were probably mentally unstable in some way, and people who go on killing sprees were most likely abused and bullied, at school and at home.

Jack thompson is an idiot, all he's doing is introducing a scapegoat that kids can use when they shoot a person.

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  • 12.10.2006 9:46 PM PDT
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VIOLENCE IS GOOD!!!

There is nothing wrong with a big plateful, of frosty, sweet, and slightly sour, violence. Violence lets me vent. People say Violence doesn't solve problems, I say that is a crock of -blam!-. You can to solve problems with violence if they meet these criterea:

1. How do you feel about the problem? If the answer is "I feel violent" You might want to consider violent, if you feel passive, be passive.

2. Can it be solved by violence? If the answer is yes go immeditly to the next question. If the answer is no then your screwed you pansy -blam!-. :D.

3. Will it be potentialy hazardous by using violence? If the answer is no, go immediatly to part "A", if the answer was yes, than go to that step because you and I both know by this point you are pissed and straight don't give a -blam!-.
"A" This one is important IS IT LEGAL? If the answer is yes than by all means, if the answer is no than don't blame me when your dumbass is in jail.

To prove this theory lets take a problem. There is a rat in your house....First off your pissed because he is there, so how do you feel...VIOLENT...Next you can solve the problem by shooting the thing, thus problem solved. Next unless you can't shoot worth a -blam!-, this isn't hazardous and even if it is remember, YOU STRIAGHT DON'T GIVE A -blam!-! It is legal so GO FOR IT. YOU UNLOAD YOUR BUCKSHOT ON THAT JACKASS!! See problem solved and you used violence and don't you feel better after OMGWTFPWNING the rat?

This is the Demigod's simple guide to using violence, Thank You and Please come again and Ring the bell if your MEAL OF VIOLENCE WAS THE LEET!!1!!!111one!!three111Q!!

  • 12.10.2006 10:18 PM PDT

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