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Subject: Video Game Violence

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Personally, I don't think video games will lead you to killing someone.

My parents probably wouldn't let me get any of the "T" rated Medal of Honor games or any other historic type shooter. I don't want them either. They're taking horrible pieces of history, of blood, killing, and screaming and making it "fun". I don't want any of that. Heated plasma and bullets flying through the air in combat with genetically modified super soldiers, aliens, and zombies are fine for me.

There is a man at our church who knew a veteran from one of the world wars who was in combat. He remembers enemy soldiers at the other side of a barn and firing. He saw a man fall over and not get up. It bothers him to this day because he knows that soldier was probably no different from himself, wanting to go home and stop fighting, and he thinks he killed him. I don't want to play video games like that.

HL2, Halo ect. are fine for me.

  • 12.10.2006 10:30 PM PDT
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I'm sure you see what I mean by now.

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  • 12.10.2006 10:53 PM PDT
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... and the discussion gets stoopid, just as I thought it would.

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  • 12.11.2006 3:20 AM PDT
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I am a staunch supporter of the Entertainment Software Rating Board. And I believe parents should learn what the ratings mean, and buy thier kids games that coincide with the ratings. Would your parents let you watch a pr0n movie? I doubt it. So why should they let you play a game that was intended for adults/mature people? Because they're ignorant.

If you're 11 years old you should not be playing Halo, or GOW, or whatever. If you're 16, then it's not so bad, because teenagers are more mature today than they were even 10 years ago.

  • 12.11.2006 9:36 AM PDT

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I have yet to see a video game get up by itself and directly kill someone.

Bottom line is if you are unable to distinguish between reality and computer generated images, then violence in video games is the least of your problems.

  • 12.11.2006 9:45 AM PDT
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That is very true, and brings up a good point. All these people who claim that video games are the cause of thier violent behavior are already f**ked up in the head.

  • 12.11.2006 10:09 AM PDT
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Then again, certain games might trigger that kind of f**ked up behaviour, and there's got to be a better way of finding which people will do this rather than 'exposing' them to various stimuli and watching them go homicidal suddenly.

  • 12.11.2006 10:17 AM PDT
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I think there are tests that a psychologist can use to determine if someones already messed in the head. You know the whole "what does this black splotch look like" test. Or the repressed memory thing. or the "did your parents ever lock you in a closet for two days?" questionare.

I dunno, psychologists piss me off. I think I'll go shoot a few... :P

  • 12.11.2006 11:18 AM PDT
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Every1 of us humans has a violence in his nature...but the way you express your violence is what matters really...
U can blow stuff up or punch a pillow...it`s still a violent act. It`s up to you to determine which one is the smartest choice...it all boils down to one's inteligence and clarity.

as for videogames making people more violent...i think it`s totally the opposite...if u`re angry, frustrated and down right pissed off...which would be the better target for your violence? a person or object or an enemy in a game? I think videogames help keep our youth more peacefull bt letting them take out all their agressions on let`s say an elite, a grunt, some random Imp or a hellnight...

Bottom line: people who havn`t grown up with videogames and that are against them are totally ignorant and have nothing better to do than waste our time with their useless banter

  • 12.11.2006 12:22 PM PDT

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I bet every spree killer had milk and cookies when they were kids. Obviously, milk and cookies must be banned. And tricycle riding.

  • 12.11.2006 12:31 PM PDT

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I bet every spree killer had milk and cookies when they were kids. Obviously, milk and cookies must be banned. And tricycle riding.

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  • 12.11.2006 2:14 PM PDT

How is Call of Duty violent..... There is absolutely no violence in Call of duty, either way, you can turn it off to. Even Elmo in color can make violence right?

  • 12.11.2006 2:30 PM PDT
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Until brain mapping is perfected they can't tell what certain stimuli does.

  • 12.11.2006 2:41 PM PDT
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Dude, I can pwn you all in Color with Elmo, and Counting with Elmo 2. I got some 1337 skills in those games, and I don't even have to use color-speed hack or count bots in multiplayer to pwn any expert.

xP haha, j/k

Anyways, back on topic. I just think scientists and psychologists should just shut up, and do something actually useful, and like I said already, help find a cure for uncurable diseases. They think they know what's really going on inside a young teen's head, but it seems they don't know jack about their own fingers.

Well, good thing my parents don't really care about what games I get, or they get me, as long as it doesn't include pr0n or anything of that matter. (ahem, grandtheftauto, ahem) They allow me to get all kinds of rated M games, they know I like FPS games, and they respect me for who I am and what I enjoy doing in my free time. All I can say is, thank you to my parents, and phew...xD

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  • 12.11.2006 2:41 PM PDT

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How is Call of Duty violent..... There is absolutely no violence in Call of duty, either way, you can turn it off to. Even Elmo in color can make violence right?


Not to contradict you Snorky, but well, the game is based on a real life war that left many countries in ruin and bankrupt, not to say the countless people dead. You actually melee other soldiers in the damn head. Yeah, you also melee on Halo, but those are aliens, not people that fought in a big war that broke up and killed families. And like Rust said, yes, they actually get a bloody war and make "fun" out of it. That's why Call Of Duty is consider bloody and humilliating.

Don't get me wrong, these are just my ideas in base of what Rust said and what you asked. You can comment and/or complain to me about this reply. I will do my best to edit it and remove anything you'd like me to do so.

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They think they know what's really going on inside a young teen's head, but it seems they don't know jack about their own fingers.


Wait just one moment. They were teenagers too, and yes, they also thought adults didn't understand them. All humans at the age between 12 and 18 think that their parents nor any adults do understand. So dude, next time you say and adult doesn't understand what lingers on teenagers' minds, think again.

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Posted by: SuperSnorky
How is Call of Duty violent..... There is absolutely no violence in Call of duty, either way, you can turn it off to. Even Elmo in color can make violence right?


Not to contradict you Snorky, but well, the game is based on a real life war that left many countries in ruin and bankrupt, not to say the countless people dead. You actually melee other soldiers in the damn head. Yeah, you also melee on Halo, but those are aliens, not people that fought in a big war that broke up and killed families. And like Rust said, yes, they actually get a bloody war and make "fun" out of it. That's why Call Of Duty is consider bloody and humilliating.

Don't get me wrong, these are just my ideas in base of what Rust said and what you asked. You can comment and/or complain to me about this reply. I will do my best to edit it and remove anything you'd like me to do so.


I'm a big Call of Duty fan, but I respect and understand what you're saying there Beowul. It doesn't have to be bloody and gory, it's basically putting you inside the mind and body of a typical WW2 soldier, and making you shoot every N@zi you see in the head. The most disturbing thing I've done in CoD 1 is when I pick up a German Panzerfaust (basically a 1944 rocket launcher), and actually seeing the projectile I've fired literally impact on a German soldier's stomach. Sure I didn't see any organs or liquified flesh, but it was still disturbing.

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Posted by: Beowul7
Posted by: SuperSnorky
How is Call of Duty violent..... There is absolutely no violence in Call of duty, either way, you can turn it off to. Even Elmo in color can make violence right?


Not to contradict you Snorky, but well, the game is based on a real life war that left many countries in ruin and bankrupt, not to say the countless people dead. You actually melee other soldiers in the damn head. Yeah, you also melee on Halo, but those are aliens, not people that fought in a big war that broke up and killed families. And like Rust said, yes, they actually get a bloody war and make "fun" out of it. That's why Call Of Duty is consider bloody and humilliating.

Don't get me wrong, these are just my ideas in base of what Rust said and what you asked. You can comment and/or complain to me about this reply. I will do my best to edit it and remove anything you'd like me to do so.

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Posted by: lpjuunin
They think they know what's really going on inside a young teen's head, but it seems they don't know jack about their own fingers.


Wait just one moment. They were teenagers too, and yes, they also thought adults didn't understand them. All humans at the age between 12 and 18 think that their parents nor any adults do understand. So dude, next time you say and adult doesn't understand what lingers on teenagers' minds, think again.


Every mind is very different.

  • 12.11.2006 2:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: lpjuunin
The most disturbing thing I've done in CoD 1 is when I pick up a German Panzerfaust (basically a 1944 rocket launcher), and actually seeing the projectile I've fired literally impact on a German soldier's stomach. Sure I didn't see any organs or liquified flesh, but it was still disturbing.

Oh, aye mate. I agree with that. But what is even worse is that, on the real war, firing a Panzerfaust on a soldier's stomach would most likely get you a pleasant view of his internal organs flying. The game is based on a very bloody and gorey war, which leaves many scientists to describe it as violent. And you may never know if some of those scientists had family issues of the war such as (a) dead parent(s) or them being veterans of it.

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From what I can tell, most Public Schools are very, very violent. School should be banned for the good of the people!

  • 12.11.2006 2:53 PM PDT
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Now don't get me wrong, Call of Duty, MOH, those are both very well made games. But is sort of sickens me to think that someone is actually profiting of a real life war. Nobody should be making money from anything violent that happened in real life.

Those games could be compared to if someone made a game out of the 9/11 catastrophe. Where you could play the part of a terrorist flying a plane, or a firefighter in the buildings. Imagine someone now profiting off of that and making a buck from many innocent people dieing.

I have no problem playing games like Halo and HL2 and F.E.A.R. I even got my parents to play halo and my little 10 year old sister. Now thats the only game on Xbox that my sister will play. And usually shes playing it with my mom.

I think that if more parents and adults actually played video games, like Iggwilv, then people might actually believe that games aren't the things that cause violence. I think that you have just as much chance of having a violent outburst from playing Tetris as you do playing Halo or Halo 2. Video games are just a scapegoat, and like most scapegoats, they are usually things that people don't understand. Violence, as most people have already stated already, are caused by one's environment, not the way they interact with a computer or TV.

Abusive parents = violence

Abusive games = folklore

  • 12.11.2006 2:58 PM PDT

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From what I can tell, most Public Schools are very, very violent. School should be banned for the good of the people!

Heh, I'm sigging that too!

  • 12.11.2006 2:59 PM PDT
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Video games don't cause violence. That's the stupidest crap ever. Its just a escape people who shoot up schools use to get into the psych ward. See the problem isn't the video games its the people (obviously). I mean hell our country (USA) has become way too sue happy. All we do is sue, sue, sue, and blame each other for our stupid actions. Like I was watching a commercial the other day for some slime ball lawyer. One of the things he listed for a lawsuit were "playground accidents". Oh noes! Your little Johnny scraped his knees at the playground! We must sue the town because its not safe! Have you ever thought your dumb kid might be at fault? Its idiots that make studies like this. People need to stop blaming each other and man up.

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  • 12.11.2006 3:07 PM PDT

What puzzles me is that they are using Medal of Honor: Frontline, a rated T video game that is outdated and lacks gore and extreme content. The reason why? Think about the D-Day mission of Frontline, it's probably the best D-Day I've ever seen in a WWII game, now think of how much goes through your head and how much of an adrenaline rush you get from this. Now think a shooter like Gears of War, everything is defidently on a smaller scale but has some pretty extreme gore, but you don't get that same rush as you do in Frontline. As well, in Gears of War say you just curb stomped someone, that doesn't make me or my friends want to go curb stomp someone, it makes me more want to NEVER do that because of how horrid it is and how terrifying it is. Now in Call of Duty, I shoot them, a little bit of red comes out, but it's not a big deal to you.

A great quote is "Video games and movies don't create psychos and serial killers, they just make them more creative." Games don't cause negative effects on people, they can just trigger things. Just like how that curb stomp in Gears of War triggered me to think "DEAR LORD!" it might make one that is troubuled in the head have an urge to do so.

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What puzzles me is that they are using Medal of Honor: Frontline, a rated T video game that is outdated and lacks gore and extreme content. The reason why? Think about the D-Day mission of Frontline, it's probably the best D-Day I've ever seen in a WWII game, now think of how much goes through your head and how much of an adrenaline rush you get from this. Now think a shooter like Gears of War, everything is defidently on a smaller scale but has some pretty extreme gore, but you don't get that same rush as you do in Frontline. As well, in Gears of War say you just curb stomped someone, that doesn't make me or my friends want to go curb stomp someone, it makes me more want to NEVER do that because of how horrid it is and how terrifying it is. Now in Call of Duty, I shoot them, a little bit of red comes out, but it's not a big deal to you.


Ah, not meaning to get off topic, but I feel ya there man. I remember in CoD 1, when I finally got to the Russian campaign levels (it was the 3rd day of me playing it ever since I bought it, I beat it on that day. xD ). I was very excited, because I recall a lot of my friends telling me how the first Battle of Stalingrad battles are awesome and blood-rushing. I saw the "trailer" of the game in the game itself, (for msot of you CoD fans, you'll know what I'm talking about. You know how when you start the game, there's like a blue/black and white kinda movie trailer you get to watch?) and I thought to myself man, I can't wait to be in the Russian levels. Well I finally got to it, and man, it was extremely fun, the bullets hailing down on you, me not even have a rifle to shoot with, and mortars going off everywhere. It was as if I was actually there, and sometimes I sort of regret the feeling of me actually being there...

...going back to subject while still continuing the story...

I got to the Red Square pillar, where a fellow "comrade" wielding a PPSh Sub-MachineGun met me. He was telling me to find a place to flank the German machine ugn nest, but before I followed his order, I just coincidently looked back at the sight behind me. I literally stood (or sat on my computer chair) in dramatic shock by what was going on. Fellow Russian soldiers being blown up by tank shells and artillery rounds. Being rippled to pieces by MG42 machine gun fire. At least 80% of them didn't even have a rifle, and not to metion a decent helmet. I know it was just a game, and it didn't even have blood, but with that sad, but courage-wielding theme song humming throughout the game, I admit I dropped at least one or two tears.

  • 12.11.2006 3:28 PM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

I have two things to say:

First, people who are stupid enough to believe that thinking happy thoughts will cure all the nasty things in the universe shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Second, people who claim that video games can be used to train killers probably haven't spent much time with real guns lately.

  • 12.11.2006 3:40 PM PDT

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