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QFGDMFT!

I'd also like to point out that people who claim that video games can be used to train killers probably lack the intelligence required for a game of Pong.

  • 12.11.2006 3:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
I've been playing video games since I was four years old. I've been playing violent video games since Doom, Duke Nukem, Goldeneye, etc. And so far I haven't gone out and shot anyone.


Doom... Duke Nukem.... good times!

But yeah, I've been playing violent video games since I was about four as well, and they haven't desensitized me a bit. Everytime I hear about someone getting raped or murdered on the news it makes me feel sick. Just hearing about it man.

I find the people (guys at least) who are the most aggressive and/or violent aren't the ones who are playing video games, its the ones who are playing football lol. Half joking of course, though I remember, back in high school, those preppy football players were always the ones getting into fights about stupid blam like who's slutty girlfriend is hotter.

In any case, it all comes down to one thing: if you have the ability in you to murder someone for reasons other than protecting yourself or loved ones, there is something seriously wrong with you.

[Edited on 12/11/2006]

  • 12.11.2006 3:57 PM PDT
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I think that Violent video games don't cause those things, they help people keep those urges in check. Like when you have a really bad day at school and just want to sit around. A nice game of CTF on the winning team always helps cheer me up. Plus there is always just sniping bots in UT. Its really fun just getting to let out some pent up anger that you build up. It is sort of like when you watch a movie that makes you really angry and you just want to kill the villain. It helps so much to just let it out. Its very unfortunate when you run into some one who's had a bad day in real life and their all stressed out. But once they get to vent a little in any thing. Sports, music, anything; it helps them. The violence in video games isn't what causes those things. I think that the lack of gore in some games makes people think that doing the things is less bad. While when you see all the gore it can make you sick and never want to see it for real. I don't ever want to see some of the things from video games in real life. Like a person being cut in half with a chainsaw, but I don't feel that way about unrealistic things like some weapons in Halo or UT.
Violence in video games isn't a problem I think. The violence helps show how bad things are in the world and how sad war actually is.

  • 12.11.2006 4:06 PM PDT
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I was just thinking, some of the ancient South American and Mexican tribes would, instead of warring all the time, play a game to settle whatever they would war over. It was a very painful game, but nobody got killed.

  • 12.11.2006 4:18 PM PDT
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Wow. I wrote this thread and left it for two days, and when I come back, I'm amazed. I'm seriously thinking of using some of the arguments in here to have another debate with my parents over getting Half-Life 2.

On a slightly less teary-eyed note:

Posted by: BobBQ
I have two things to say:

First, people who are stupid enough to believe that thinking happy thoughts will cure all the nasty things in the universe shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Second, people who claim that video games can be used to train killers probably haven't spent much time with real guns lately.

OH YEAH!!!

The mods agree with us!!! They may be a little trigger happy on the blacklist button, but they're still all children at heart.

  • 12.11.2006 8:48 PM PDT
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And it's your connection that's slower than turtle sex.

In........................................................Out .

Posted by: BobBQ
Second, people who claim that video games can be used to train killers probably haven't spent much time with real guns lately.


Exactly, Jack thompson and other anti gamers really need to research weapons better before assuming video games of bieng murder simulators, the fact that Masterchief can hold a sniper completely still while standing is nothing short of amazing, in real life, there would be a constant sway, and as I said, recoil will always get the better of people in real life, and the gunner would not be used to the deafening boom a gun makes in real life.

  • 12.12.2006 2:44 AM PDT
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Dude, videogames might be violent, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go outside of my house after a marathon session on my Nintendo and start jumping on turtles and use their shells to kill people.

In all seriousness, I do believe violent videogames can make kids more aggressive. I suppose it does contribute to school shootings, but I don't think it's a deciding factor. You have to think about other media - music, videos, television, books, and the content of one's character. And if parents disapprove of violent videogames, why the hell are they letting their children play it?

  • 12.12.2006 11:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: ChAiRMaNWoW
While playing "ultra-violent"video games, do you think that you "feel an uncontrollable urge to go on a shooting rampage"? Yes, that is a direct quote from the article.


Well you kinda used that quote out of context but I get what you mean. I would say it is different for every person. Not everyones brain functions the same and not everyone has the same level of self control.

  • 12.12.2006 12:08 PM PDT

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This is the Demigod's simple guide to using violence, Thank You and Please come again and Ring the bell if your MEAL OF VIOLENCE WAS THE LEET!!1!!!111one!!three111Q!!

Who cares what Jack Thompson thinks? He's a homophobe and a racist.

  • 12.12.2006 12:10 PM PDT

Never argue with idiots. They force you down to their level, then win because of experience.

Shadowrun=Halo 1>Halo 3>Halo 2>Gears of War>Nothing.

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Don't be a scrub. Play to win.

I actually wrote a paper for school on this subject. I'd post it, but unfortunetly my dad recently 'cleaned out the computer', and basically backed up everything, erased the hard-drive, and is under the process of reinstalling everything :(.

Basically my key points:

1) If video games caused this much violence, wouldn't it be more common, as video games become more common?
2) Crime has actually been decreasing among youth.

For more about violence in video games, read this article (also a good website about game design. Good for arguing against the morons who think SMG start is right for Halo 2)

http://www.sirlin.net/archive/violence-in-video-games/

  • 12.12.2006 2:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr Orzhov
Good for arguing against the morons who think SMG start is right for Halo 2

I don't think that the SMG start is right for Halo 2, or balanced. I just think that Halo 2 should remain untouched. Nothing should ever be removed or changed, except added. Even so, it must be carefully done.

  • 12.12.2006 5:53 PM PDT
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Hey Kim! Welcome back from purgatory!

Well guys I think that we have made some very good points here. I think that we should also take this topic into the other forums and see what type of reply we get there. Though I have a feeling that the quality of posts will decrease the further from the Maw you get....

  • 12.12.2006 6:01 PM PDT
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Hey Kim! Welcome back from purgatory!

I'm glad to be back as well. Floating in a vast unimaginably blank void of cosmic dust and echoes can get quite boring after seven days.

Posted by: MikeM709
Well guys I think that we have made some very good points here. I think that we should also take this topic into the other forums and see what type of reply we get there. Though I have a feeling that the quality of posts will decrease the further from the Maw you get....

Only in the Maw would an intelligent discussion like this unfold.

  • 12.12.2006 6:09 PM PDT

Remember "The Maw"

After reading everything that everyone posted, including outside articles, i've come to a few conclusions.

I will agree with the Sirlin.net article about competition. Competition does occur in every day life, so, why is it viewed different in video games? Well, my answer to that is because people just don't understand it. I don't know how to explain it, but it seems like people who do not play video games will never understand it's mode of entertainment. To a gamer, a video game is just like a movie for a movie-goer. The movie gower to the Saw 3 film was glued to the screen just waiting to see if the woman will get her rib cage pulled apart, or will she burn her hand in acid to get the key to her safety? It's the same for a game. The gamer is glued to the controller, waiting to see what the next challenge for them will be. Will they have to face spawning flood in an enclosed room with only a few ammo and nobody to help? It's just a different mode of entertainment. So, going back to the competition detail of the article, it is simply a thrill for some, and for others it's a constant battle for that number 1 spot on the charts (kw.com for example).

And just like movies and books, there are many types. For those who like strategy, they may like RTS games like Age of Empires, or Star Craft. For others, RPGs suits them better. And it happens for some that "violent" games just seem to be their type.

So, in the end, i think that the main problem right now is simply that violent games are not properly understood by people, but that's just my oppinion, btw. If you think about it, games with high graphics quality capabilities haven't been around for very long. So, it doesn't really surprise me that people may view it as a bad thing at first. When the TV first came out, not everyone had one, so it seems logical to expect that people did not understand it as they do now.

As for that mubo-jumbo about video games causing those weird CAT scans and stuff, well, i will agree with the fact that it has more to do with how the person was brought up. Everyone is different in the way they look, feel, act, and how they are psychologically constructed. What i am getting from what those scientists are saying is that if i play too many "violent" video games, the next time i go to school i will go on a shooting rampage believing that i am in F.E.A.R or GoW.

So, that's all i have as my opinion on things :)
~Ramster

P.S. Welcome back Kim

  • 12.12.2006 6:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: ramster
For those who like strategy, they may like RTS games like Age of Empires, or Star Craft.

RTS > FPS.

Posted by: ramster
the next time i go to school i will go on a shooting rampage believing that i am in F.E.A.R or GoW.

F.E.A.R. PC > F.E.A.R. Xbox 360.

Introducing, School Shooting Spree™, the new-age simulator that makes you think you're playing Gears of War killing underground monsters when you're actually shooting your defenseless peers! Chainsaw-bayonet sold separately.

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P.S. Welcome back Kim

Thanks, good to talk to you again.

[Edited on 12/13/2006]

  • 12.12.2006 6:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Master Kim
Dude, videogames might be violent, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go outside of my house after a marathon session on my Nintendo and start jumping on turtles and use their shells to kill people.

In all seriousness, I do believe violent videogames can make kids more aggressive. I suppose it does contribute to school shootings, but I don't think it's a deciding factor. You have to think about other media - music, videos, television, books, and the content of one's character. And if parents disapprove of violent videogames, why the hell are they letting their children play it?


I doubt suspects of school shootings read many books. People generally subconsciously realize that they are really only interfacing with a program displaying 2 dimensional images representing a 3 dimensional environment, and isn't reality. That didn't sound exactly how I wanted it.

  • 12.12.2006 6:44 PM PDT

I say its up to the parents to teach the kids its not real, and to realize what their kids should and shouldn't play.

  • 12.12.2006 6:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: LongMasterWolf
I say its up to the parents to teach the kids its not real, and to realize what their kids should and shouldn't play.


Its the parents fault! Parents should spank their children!

  • 12.12.2006 7:02 PM PDT
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Ever since the first human beings came into existence there has been violence. That's just the way the world is. However, it's up to you to be violent or not.

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Posted by: BobBQ
Second, people who claim that video games can be used to train killers probably haven't spent much time with real guns lately.


Actually, the seven point check for jams in America's Army is pretty accurate...

  • 12.13.2006 6:02 AM PDT

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When I "kill" someone in Halo, I realize that I'm not killing them, even in the context of the game I'm not, they respawn, so I'm just relocating them.

Why don't they think playing chess will lead to toppling monarchies?

  • 12.13.2006 10:34 AM PDT
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I repeat, sing along with me, I run the streets the streets don't run me.

What bastard scientists come up with this crap? They can't tell how we feel. I have played violent stuff for a long time yet I don't go on great rampages in malls, kill people, and -blam!- like that. Who does! Maybe the people who take it really seriously do.

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Posted by: Lemons
What bastard scientists come up with this crap? They can't tell how we feel. I have played violent stuff for a long time yet I don't go on great rampages in malls, kill people, and -blam!- like that. Who does! Maybe the people who take it really seriously do.

I agree. There's nothing I enjoy like fragging t3h n4z15 in Call of Duty, or blowing away the torsos of the Flood-infected creatures apart into pieces, but many people would say that I'm a kind, friendly, respectable person.

It's not we're "OMG VIOLENCE FTW!@!1!!!1!Shift+One!1!!Eleven!1!!!! IMMA GO KEEL MY FREINDS IN SKEWL!!!!1!!!"

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Actually, the seven point check for jams in America's Army is pretty accurate...

On a side note, America's Army owns. And it's free.

  • 12.13.2006 12:09 PM PDT
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The trouble is, not everyone's going to react in the same way to computer games - and since practially hundreds of thousands play them some might indeed go crazy and shoot the place up. It's just a matter of statistics, and the scientists are checking to see if there IS a valid link. You can't just say 'Oh, I'm not going to go on a shooting spree due to computer games, therefore no-one else is either'. That's what the tests are there for.

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Posted by: Reaver225
Actually, the seven point check for jams in America's Army is pretty accurate...

On a side note, America's Army owns. And it's free.


Remember kids! Never stick your fingers in the chamber to clear a jam!

Really, don't, you'll end up with half a finger less.

  • 12.13.2006 12:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Reaver225
The trouble is, not everyone's going to react in the same way to computer games - and since practially hundreds of thousands play them some might indeed go crazy and shoot the place up. It's just a matter of statistics, and the scientists are checking to see if there IS a valid link. You can't just say 'Oh, I'm not going to go on a shooting spree due to computer games, therefore no-one else is either'. That's what the tests are there for.

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Posted by: Reaver225
Actually, the seven point check for jams in America's Army is pretty accurate...

On a side note, America's Army owns. And it's free.


Remember kids! Never stick your fingers in the chamber to clear a jam!

Really, don't, you'll end up with half a finger less.


The kids that go on shooting sprees so it not for video games but for social opression and the cold hard rejection of reality. They either are rejected at school for being really weird ex. Picks his ass, or talks like a fool on the internet Ex. OMG OMG OMG OMG !!!111!!!1!111! Like DOods j00 hve 2 listien to mes!1!!!!!11!! I like OMG OMG OMG won on Xbox Live OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!111!! And the n00b like, like got angry at mes!!11! OMG OMG OMG!!11!!! So I like tea-bagged him!!1! OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG !!!11! LOLZ LOLZ LOLZ ROLF ROLF LMAO LMFAO OMG OMG OMG !!!!!!!1! They get nowhere in life because they try to act cool, fail at it, and they either turn into a) unsucessfull nerds b) emo cutters or c) go on a violent rampage. For support, they take up violent video games. It either symbolizes the pain they are going through or what they would like to do. Its not the video games but the background life they lead. Take Columbine for an example. The kids played really violent video games but did you see their background life? The shooters were disliked by most of the student body, eventually leading them to delusions of grandeur; eventually to insanity all vented out through a crazy not cool shootout and suicide. As I say and will say, video games do not cause violence in children as the crap headed bastard scientists say.

  • 12.13.2006 2:08 PM PDT

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