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Subject: The Chronicles of a Forum-copper.

Posted by: xTr1GGeR HaPPYx
Posted by: Savag3Shadow
And by the way, I've been here as long as anyone else has, yet what recognition and respect do I get? I post on a regular basis, but no, nothing for me.
Do you feel special knowing that you have been here since 3/4/'06? What respect do you want? Do you feel that because you're posting in an 'important' thread, that you truly do deserve some sort of recognition? I really do hope that you were joking.


Ok, I won't get pissed because you--and probably a lot of other people don't know (and don't even look 99% of the time), but I've been on bungie.net, although not on this account 100% of the time, obviously, for 4(?) years. Before the New Hawtness, etc.
My name was still the same, although with an "e" instead of a "3".

But, that is beside the point, since when do you dole out respect simply based upon time of membership? Complete idiots and flamers could have been here for years and years, but does that mean that they deserve respect? I've posted here (meaningfully, not in a conversational manner, and not spam) just as much as a lot of other members, but I don't get responded to, etc.

[Edited on 12/16/2006]

  • 12.16.2006 8:01 AM PDT

You say tomato; I say potato.

The only mod to ever ban me has left. Goodbye Shishka! I will miss you.

  • 12.16.2006 8:12 AM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Posted by: Savag3Shadow
Posted by: xTr1GGeR HaPPYx
Posted by: Savag3Shadow
And by the way, I've been here as long as anyone else has, yet what recognition and respect do I get? I post on a regular basis, but no, nothing for me.
Do you feel special knowing that you have been here since 3/4/'06? What respect do you want? Do you feel that because you're posting in an 'important' thread, that you truly do deserve some sort of recognition? I really do hope that you were joking.


Ok, I won't get pissed because you--and probably a lot of other people don't know (and don't even look 99% of the time), but I've been on bungie.net, although not on this account 100% of the time, obviously, for 4(?) years. Before the New Hawtness, etc.
My name was still the same, although with an "e" instead of a "3".

But, that is beside the point, since when do you dole out respect simply based upon time of membership? Complete idiots and flamers could have been here for years and years, but does that mean that they deserve respect? I've posted here (meaningfully, not in a conversational manner, and not spam) just as much as a lot of other members, but I don't get responded to, etc.



The ammount of time you have been a member of bungie means nothing.

Alot of members have been here longer then some of the mods.

  • 12.16.2006 1:06 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Posted by: Savag3Shadow
That's basically what I stated in the second paragraph of my post...



I plead ignorance,

and apologize.

  • 12.16.2006 2:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: xTr1GGeR HaPPYx
I find it horrible how some people lash out at those few good members who do come onto these forums and help out truly because they want to. For being discriminated because they are that one student who gives the teacher the apple.


I have always had a problem with the thought that altruism is non-existent.

But who are the good people? Do we separate them by their actions? Our opinions of them? Is Iceman one of the members who is secretly trying to gain recognition, or is he trying to help out for the sake of helping out (replace "Iceman" with any other Forum Cop's name)? It's obvious you like the people who are truly helpful, and don't care all that much for the people who are trying to become moderators, but how do you, or I, or anyone else, distinguish between them?

  • 12.17.2006 6:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: xTr1GGeR HaPPYx

If you read my entire post, you're a champion.

Woohoo I'm a champion. Go Me.

  • 12.17.2006 6:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Mabian
I have always had a problem with the thought that altruism is non-existent.

But who are the good people? Do we separate them by their actions? Our opinions of them? Is Iceman one of the members who is secretly trying to gain recognition, or is he trying to help out for the sake of helping out (replace "Iceman" with any other Forum Cop's name)? It's obvious you like the people who are truly helpful, and don't care all that much for the people who are trying to become moderators, but how do you, or I, or anyone else, distinguish between them?

That's the kicker now, isn't it? That's where it comes down to personal opinion and the way you interpret how a person acts and behaves on these boards, isn't it?
Posted by: Spage
Posted by: xTr1GGeR HaPPYx

If you read my entire post, you're a champion.

Woohoo I'm a champion. Go Me.
o_O

[Edited on 12/17/2006]

  • 12.17.2006 6:24 PM PDT
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Oh...and to actually be meaningful... I say let them eat cake. If the "cops" feel like trying to help out, then let them. They know the "risks", and they will look like -blam!-s to most if they treat another member like dirt.

If they think they will become a moderator then they are sorely mistaken, because its my guess that we won't have a massive influx of Moderators for a long time. If we do, then we will have at most 3. 3 new moderators maximum. I can think of more than 3 members that would possibly be nominated, especially over any "forum cop" that I have seen posted. I'm sure all of you know someone. That doesn't mean that those posted aren't good enough, but that there are alot of options.

The best way to become a moderator is by not trying to become moderator. And out of all the websites I have ever seen, this would be the hardest and toughest to both become and be a Moderator.

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  • 12.17.2006 6:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: xTr1GGeR HaPPYx
That's the kicker now, isn't it? That's where it comes down to personal opinion and the way you interpret how a person acts and behaves on these boards, isn't it?


The kicker saddens me...people could be perfectly nice, and they're being attacked and ridiculed, while other people who are trying to be cool are being defended. It may not necessarily be happening, but the possibility saddens me.

And Spage, you realize that the aristocracy of France lost their heads because the common people we allowed to eat cake, right? Maybe cake isn't a good idea.

  • 12.17.2006 6:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mabian
The kicker saddens me...people could be perfectly nice, and they're being attacked and ridiculed, while other people who are trying to be cool are being defended.

Mehhhhhhh.

I think it is a bit inhuman to *only* help, which is what makes people (like me) suspicious about forum-cops' motivation.

But to the point now, the truly helpful members shouldn't really care whether the moderators and other members think they're suck-ups or not. Hell, they couldn't care less about being liked, they're just trying to help, yes?

Therefore, don't let the 'kicker' upset you. If someone chooses to be too helpful, they'll look like they're in it for "ban powahz! rawr!", but that's just the "downside" they have to take.

So, essentially, there's no need to defend Iceman (or others). Just let people hate and not trust him/them. I'm not going to lie, I think Ice is more than odd. Hopefully he doesn't care. Hopefully he doesn't post counter-arguments which prove my point (which is what led me to my assumption).

Just as an example, Ice in particular, here is the sort of thing I'm talking about...

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
I don't say 'Put this Here' or 'Locked,' which is what people think of when they hear the term nowadays.

From time to time I just like to give some advice, and interact with you guys.

You have no need to justify anything if you're simply trying to be helpful. Posts like these are redundant. Just do your "thing", screw everyone who doesn't like it (including me). You don't need to boast about things you've done. It comes off sounding sanctimonious (I'm trying hard not to sound like a hypocrite with such harsh criticism but I think you'll see it as constructive if you're genuine, yes?). If you stop twisting the topic into a chance to boast, and instead, post not what you've done, but your thoughts regarding the matter, then maybe you would seem less like a suck-up or a ladder-climber.

Anyway, enough about that, I assume, the fact of the matter is, the best way to ensure you're not ridiculed (i.e. people know you're not trying to be a suck-up) is by acting like a complete dick 24/7. Unfortunately, this means that being trusted and being liked is not synonymous; so I guess we're all screwed either way, huh?

I'm a bit tired, I'm probably not making sense, but I mainly wanted to chime in the whole idea of: (to summarise) "Let cops do what they want, but don't feel bad if they're rediculed; if their intent is innocent, they shouldn't mind". I also wanted to use the word "dick" at least once because it's fun to swear on the forums.

P.S. Edited multiple times to add extra points and get my point across more, because it's hard to explain. My spelling also sucks. Sorry for long post.

[Edited on 12/18/2006]

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Posted by: Pezza
I agree with Trigger. Forum cops are good to have around some times, snipped because it's such a long post


I agree, some times, the forum cops are handy. Usually, I can spot the problems within moments, and it only takes moments to fix it. However, we have quite a few forums, and I don't moderate each one as much as the other. So every now and then, I just don't notice the flames.
Or if someone posts in the wrong forum, there is nothing wrong with telling a member that he misplaced it. Just tell the member, that next time he should post it in the appropriate forum, and now should wait for a mod to move the Current one.
Option number two is to directly contact a mod and ask him to move it.

However, there are two things that bother me:
1) People who post things such as "locked!" or "You'll be banned!". You took the time to post that, why not take the time to report it instead?
2) People to are complaining that the mods haven't done there jobs. They show a few examples of people that should have been banned, but weren't. Great, so bother to quote those people, tell me that I should have banned them and that I didn't do my "job". Why didn't you just contact a moderator?!

We can't see everything, and we do need help from the community every now and then. That's what makes this a community. A little effort to help out every now and then isn't a bad thing. Perhaps we shouldn't see everything in black white. There is a large gray area, and let's not forget about the greens and reds. Whether you're a forum cop or not, just make sure you aren't an ass.

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Posted by: ash55

So, essentially, there's no need to defend Iceman (or others). Just let people hate and not trust him/them. I'm not going to lie, I think Ice is more than odd. Hopefully he doesn't care. Hopefully he doesn't post counter-arguments which prove my point (like he usually does - for example - read his first post on this thread; if he 'cops' to be helpful, not to be popular, why post about it, as if it's some grand story?).
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Yeah, I know, I'm a bit eccentric ^_^

Anyway, it's fine if you question my motives, I don't mind. What matters is what I think of myself.

Though sometimes I think you guys take this thing a little too far......it's a video game forum, right? And it's cool to become attached to the community and all, but the only thing I see this as is just more pointless drama.

I know I'm not a suck up, I'm not here for "mod points" or anything of that nature. I'm just here to talk to you guys and learn about Bungie/Halo.

So think what you want of me, that's the way it works, right? I have my assumptions of others on this forum, and I'm sure you guys have your assumptions of me.

But you know what the glory of it all is? The world keeps spinning.

You have no need to justify anything if you're simply trying to be helpful. Posts like these are redundant. Just do your "thing", screw everyone who doesn't like it (including me). You don't need to boast about things you've done. It comes off sounding sanctimonious (I'm trying hard not to sound like a hypocrite with such harsh criticism but I think you'll see it as constructive if you're geunine, yes?). If you stop twisting the topic into a chance to boast, and instead, post not what you've done, but your thoughts regarding the matter, then maybe you would seem less like a suck-up or a ladder-climber.



I don't see how it's "boasting" if I say I like to give a little advice from time to time. This is the stuff I'm talking about- you guys take this forum drama too seriously. It's like whatever someone says is twisted into "elitism" or "ego" whathaveyou.

If you think I'm boasting, then fine. I know what I am, and I don't really care what someone on an internet forum has to say about me, or interpret about me.

I just don't understand why you guys care so much about what other people do. There are plenty of stuff that annoy me on the forums as well, but I just see it as the way someone expresses themselves.

You want to call it ladder climbing? Fine. I just call it intereacting with people.

[Edited on 12/18/2006]

  • 12.18.2006 1:59 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Just out of curiosity Iceman,

What do you think of the people who say you should be a mod when those disscussions happen?


I have seen "vote for Iceman" posts hidden in a fiew threads.


EDIT- Never Mind, you answered it already.

[Edited on 12/18/2006]

  • 12.18.2006 2:19 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

Hey, big surprise here, but people are different and egos/personalities are going to clash. Its going to be true in any community you go into. Do we really need to fill The Septagon with threads about "this" type of member or "that" type of member?

Is it so hard for everyone when they come across a member they dislike, to act like theyre older than 12? Spread yourselves out a little, you have the rest of your lives to deal with people you dont like, dont waste all that hatred here in a place that no one is forcing you to come to.

  • 12.18.2006 2:35 PM PDT

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Ice. My point was about about how you don't need to justify anything to me or anyone. It was a post of constructive criticism and I'm not singling you out on this.

I suppose it was a kind of "trap" now I think of it. If you don't post, you can't get your say in. If you do get your say in, you prove my point. But that's just it! You didn't need to post to get your say in! It worked out like an unintentional test to see if you understood what I was trying to get across.

I think I failed in making my opinion clear (you completely missed my point) and are now just repeating the same stuff I quoted previously. It's not about drama, this 'opera' of 'forum-copping' is something that recent members seemed to have started. I mean... seriously, read the thread title... "Chronicles of a Forum Cop". 'Nuff said. I don't really like posting in The Septagon, I prefer to avoid all of the annoying problems and character-based 'opinions' like mine, but I will definately throw in my two pence if I think it's applicable. Hopefully it will solve some problems and I can selfishly enjoy the forum more.

Anyhow, using your post as an example was just an after-thought so that I can get across my general thoughts more accurately. I'm not trying to shine a spotlight on you, no matter how much I assume you enjoy that. I have nothing more to say but I shall be back when I have some more chump change to throw into the discussion.

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Posted by: ash55
I think it is a bit inhuman to *only* help, which is what makes people (like me) suspicious about forum-cops' motivation.


Of course it's a bit odd, but my problem is that so many people equate Forum Cops (or whatever you would like to call the helpful people) with wanna-be mods. Since the reward exists, those who are good are seeking the reward.

But to the point now, the truly helpful members shouldn't really care whether the moderators and other members think they're suck-ups or not. Hell, they couldn't care less about being liked, they're just trying to help, yes?

I've recently learned that people who are helpful when they don't have to be would definitely like being thanked. But what helpful people really hate is when people misinterpret their actions and accuse that person of being selfish. Think about the love for the community one must have in order to put up with the insults, not get rewarded (and rarely thanked), and still put in time to help when they don't have to.

And that is why the kicker upsets me.

You have no need to justify anything if you're simply trying to be helpful.

I would say it's wrong for people to believe a lie. So if people think any Forum Cop is trying to become a moderator, then that Forum Cop should be able to justify his actions. If people still believe that person is selfish, and if they are in fact wrong, then at that point it's their fault.

I'm a bit tired, I'm probably not making sense, but I mainly wanted to chime in the whole idea of: (to summarise) "Let cops do what they want, but don't feel bad if they're rediculed; if their intent is innocent, they shouldn't mind". I also wanted to use the word "dick" at least once because it's fun to swear on the forums.

You make perfect sense...at least so far as I could understand. What I don't like about that summary, however, is that it seems to be an idea that it's just fine for people to ridicule others because that person is being helpful.

  • 12.18.2006 2:46 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

However, it seems that people who try to offer some "constructive criticism" like you (Ash) just did are called forum cops. If you say, "oh, hey, matchmaking comments go in Optimatch." People start calling you a forum cop! I couldn't care less if people call me that, I've been called a "cop" almost all my life, I'm more than accustomed to it. People do things for their own reasons, but as far as I'm concerned, as long as people are being helpful and constructive, then who care's what their motives are? Just post like you always would, and it doesn't quite matter what anyone else says. One last thought, everyone on a forum has an opinion, so don't take it personal if they have a different opinion than you. As I've always said: Everyone has a RIGHT to their WRONG opinion

~B.B.

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Posted by: twinkiemaker
Hey, big surprise here, but people are different and egos/personalities are going to clash. Its going to be true in any community you go into. Do we really need to fill The Septagon with threads about "this" type of member or "that" type of member?


Err.....The Septagon has been like that for quite some time.

-LF

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Posted by: ash55
I'm not trying to shine a spotlight on you, no matter how much I assume you enjoy that.


Well you just baited me into replying again :-/

I understand the rest of what you're saying, but I'd just like to clarify that bit- I don't like the attention. So you can end that assumption right now, please.

When FightingRaven PM'ed me saying he made this thread and used me as part of it, I immidiately thought "Here we go again."

Seriously, I don't like it, I never liked it, and I sure as heck aren't enjoying this "Spotlight."

Please- don't make assumptions about people until you know them. Because if you actually did know me, you'd know that I'm already considering options as how to end this stupid "attention."

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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Posted by: ash55
I'm not trying to shine a spotlight on you, no matter how much I assume you enjoy that.


Well you just baited me into replying again :-/

I understand the rest of what you're saying, but I'd just like to clarify that bit- I don't like the attention. So you can end that assumption right now, please.

When FightingRaven PM'ed me saying he made this thread and used me as part of it, I immidiately thought "Here we go again."

Seriously, I don't like it, I never liked it, and I sure as heck aren't enjoying this "Spotlight."

Please- don't make assumptions about people until you know them. Because if you actually did know me, you'd know that I'm already considering options as how to end this stupid "attention."


It's a part of the personality you chose. You chose to be the type of member you are, you get the whole package, if you want it all or not. If you don't like it, change. Be an anti-Iceman, and you'll get anti-spotlight. But of course, everyone will be like "OMG HIS ACCOUNTZ GOT HAX, THATZ NOTS HIMZ!" So you pretty much dug a hole to deep on this one. Not my fault you pleased too many people.

*thumbs up*

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  • 12.18.2006 4:19 PM PDT

He watches every Hodgetwin video they put up...on ALL their channels. He calls them the Hodge Triplets, and considers himself the 3rd triplet. He's started talking and acting like them now. Every other line out of his mouth "Thaaas some BULLLLLL**** maaayne" or "Gotta make dem gainzzzz". He calls his biceps "gains". When he eats post-workout, he talks to his biceps, "Don't worry gains, I'm feeding you. Daddys gonna feed you, gainz *kisses biceps*".

Wait, why the hell is Iceman such a celebrity? I just thought he was another kewl dood that hung out on the forums (and posted an unusual amount). Someone PM me if you have the answer. Or post it here, if you feel like it.

Anyway, forum coppers must give up. It is a pointless existence they live. Seriously, these guys need to let the stinkin' mods do their jobs, they're capable enough.

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  • 12.18.2006 5:43 PM PDT

MBT
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once this random hot girl walked up to me and asked me to put my hands on her boobs. that was a cool day.


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O_O you looked at your friends balls when "he" sat on your head O_o

i dunno, i dont have a problem with forum cops, as long as they arent arseholes. if they want to help because they want to become a moderator, hey, why are u complainging? you still get hel[... i dont rly care about recognition and all. w/e

  • 12.18.2006 6:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Uberdawg
Anyway, forum coppers must give up. It is a pointless existence they live. Seriously, these guys need to let the stinkin' mods do their jobs, they're capable enough.


So people should not help other people? It's pointless to help the community?

Are we talking about the same kind of people?

  • 12.18.2006 7:16 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Who wants to be a forum FBI agent with me?

We can be forum cops, but even better.

That way people will make threads about us and how much we suck for doing our part.

  • 12.18.2006 7:21 PM PDT