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Subject: How did Bungie.net get into it with Ideal Science?
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  • 12.16.2006 11:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hysterical Joker / The Jester
For the record, i'd piss my self silly if there was an Armatik action figure.

"Lazy -zapp!-, what the hell are you doing playing with me? Get to work lazy ass."


http://www.GamesInAction.com

Its available at the Ideal Science website, Games in Action uses it, and if its available publicly (though you have to pay ofcourse), then I don't see any issues you would have, unless you customized it to the extent of directly copying the images straight from Bungie.net.

  • 12.16.2006 11:25 AM PDT

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Their was a time when this was under a post. Simpler times; no Halo 3 Forum and no search. Simpler times. Happy about search though.

I wonder if they have a free one...

  • 12.16.2006 12:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tinman123
I wonder if they have a free one...


Click the button directly under my message user link.

  • 12.16.2006 12:14 PM PDT

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Their was a time when this was under a post. Simpler times; no Halo 3 Forum and no search. Simpler times. Happy about search though.

Nothing free...

  • 12.16.2006 12:23 PM PDT
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What are we talking about?

  • 12.16.2006 12:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hysterical Joker / The Jester
For the record, i'd piss my self silly if there was an Armatik action figure.

"Lazy -zapp!-, what the hell are you doing playing with me? Get to work lazy ass."


http://www.GamesInAction.com

We're talking about the forum board software from Ideal Science that Bungie.net uses right here.

The cheapest one is $300, though personally I wouldn't recommend this software because when it isn't customized by your own programmers (or yourself), it really sucks. Not meant really for fansites IMHO.

  • 12.16.2006 12:57 PM PDT
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Yes, Games In Action has a good amount of experience with some of the problems this board can cook up for you, but it is indeed one of the most powerful board systems I have ever seen. It might just take some getting used to, but if its just for a simple fan site I would stick with Invision Power Board or phpBB

[Edited on 12/16/2006]

  • 12.16.2006 1:46 PM PDT
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I would recommend IdealBB for high volume sites that don't go feature crazy, like Bungie. Really, if you can get your hands on the full source code, it's extremely powerfull and flexible.

From what Achronos has posted about this forum, I can tell you that the forum software you can buy is based off of this forum. At least I think that is?

  • 12.16.2006 4:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
We're a case study!


Who exactly is "we"?

  • 12.16.2006 10:49 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

Posted by: trekkie
Posted by: Recon Number 54
We're a case study!


Who exactly is "we"?

*Fight...urge to..say...your mom...*

I think he means the forums in their entirety, and all the users that navigate them. So, us, I guess.

  • 12.16.2006 11:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: trekkie
Posted by: Recon Number 54
We're a case study!


Who exactly is "we"?

*Fight...urge to..say...your mom...*

I think he means the forums in their entirety, and all the users that navigate them. So, us, I guess.

Exactly.

Now get ready for your probing.

  • 12.16.2006 11:05 PM PDT

Posted by: Darth01
Posted by: evilcam
Posted by: trekkie
Posted by: Recon Number 54
We're a case study!


Who exactly is "we"?

*Fight...urge to..say...your mom...*

I think he means the forums in their entirety, and all the users that navigate them. So, us, I guess.

Exactly.

Now get ready for your probing.


Your probing your mom?

good luck with that..

  • 12.16.2006 11:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
Posted by: Darth01
Posted by: evilcam
Posted by: trekkie
Posted by: Recon Number 54
We're a case study!


Who exactly is "we"?

*Fight...urge to..say...your mom...*

I think he means the forums in their entirety, and all the users that navigate them. So, us, I guess.

Exactly.

Now get ready for your probing.


Your probing your mom?

good luck with that..

You would know, wouldn't you?

  • 12.16.2006 11:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Darth01
Posted by: goldhawk
Posted by: Darth01
Posted by: evilcam
Posted by: trekkie
Posted by: Recon Number 54
We're a case study!


Who exactly is "we"?

*Fight...urge to..say...your mom...*

I think he means the forums in their entirety, and all the users that navigate them. So, us, I guess.

Exactly.

Now get ready for your probing.


Your probing your mom?

good luck with that..

You would know, wouldn't you?

All aboard (your mom)! Next stop: a less intelligent thread (if there is one).

  • 12.17.2006 2:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hysterical Joker / The Jester
For the record, i'd piss my self silly if there was an Armatik action figure.

"Lazy -zapp!-, what the hell are you doing playing with me? Get to work lazy ass."


http://www.GamesInAction.com

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  • 12.17.2006 5:17 AM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
We're a case study!

Wait, what? They're using this website as a guinea pig/advertisement to test out how well their boards work/get more clientele? ...I feel used!

Oh... and mass spam FTL!

  • 12.17.2006 7:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hysterical Joker / The Jester
For the record, i'd piss my self silly if there was an Armatik action figure.

"Lazy -zapp!-, what the hell are you doing playing with me? Get to work lazy ass."


http://www.GamesInAction.com

Much better explanation.

  • 12.17.2006 8:55 AM PDT

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  • 12.17.2006 9:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: Teh Flood Ruler
What's the story? Are they in kahootz wit dem? Can I use this product, or will I get in trouble?

They stood on a chair.

[Edited on 12/20/2006]

  • 12.20.2006 9:43 AM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Specifically, we are the largest installation of their software in existence. Hence, a case study saying "look how it supports them, so we can probably support you" is beneficial for them.

As for our business relationship, that started during the planning for the conversion from the old perl based bungie.net to one to support Halo 2. After a few experiments, I had decided that we should simply start over, and build on the much more robust .NET framework. Unfortunately, at the time, we only had one web dev (me), and there was simply no way we could finish everything in time. You may remember that we actually didn't port the groups over until a few months after the rest of the site became part of the new hotness. Anyway, we decided that high-capacity forum software is a solved problem that other companies are very good at, so we started soliciting quotes from various companies (Ideal Science included) for software that would meet our needs. In our case, those needs were full source code, many multiple forums, highly scalable, high performance, and use SQL Server and ASP.NET as its core technology.

As we evaluated products, we found that not many met this standard. ASP.NET being required meant we couldn't use many of the existing packages, which is why Ideal Science's quote was interesting. Their ASP board was great, but unusable by us. However, the offered very attractive terms and a seat at the development and design table for their new ASP.NET software. That pretty much beat out everyone else, because we could direct the development to making the best forum for our needs without having to fit our needs into someone else's design. It also helped that they were very professional and the relationship worked really well.

The result was this forum software, which I have subsequently heavily modified for various reasons. They then took the code and built out their stand alone forum product and sell it. The resulting software is not for the faint at heart - it is designed to be really powerful and is not for people who aren't software engineers. But if you are, you'll really like how you can pretty much change everything about it if you need to (that was the point).

Posted by: Recon Number 54
If you don't mind, allow me to spin your observation.

They are following the growth and experiences of this site in order to document how their product performs in a real-world environment. We're an excellent subject for a case study due to the fact that this site's traffic and growth are significant, well documented, and since Bungie is a Microsoft subsidiary, infrastructure can be scaled to meet that growth with very little lag between "growth in traffic" and "infrastructure expands to respond".

This hardware and network flexibility will allow the ongoing data collection to show how the software performs with very little skewing due to other considerations or factors.

You're not being used, you are part of the future!

  • 12.20.2006 11:30 AM PDT

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