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Posted by: No Refunds
Posted by: Demigod333
We ban for swearing is does any part of our clan look religious? Stop making ASSumptions.

Banning for swearing usualy comes from some kind of moral belief (Like I don't believe in moral beliefs), which usualy come from religion. And there's a difference between saying:

"Damn it! I died! Basterd shot me"

and

"You -blam!- -blam!- face I'll eat your -blam!- because you -blam!- -blam!- me up -blam!- face. You -blam!-. -blam!- -blam!- whore, go to -blam!- hell and -blam!- rot."

I believe in absolutley no censorship, but respect the rules of those who PAY for me to have the privilage to PLAY on their servers. I don't go into someone's home and spew swear words in front of their kids just because they might have an "R" rated movie playing in their living room. Would they be inconsistent for having such rules in their house? Yes. But consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds– and it's their house.

  • 12.20.2006 8:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: MikeM709
The RP clan on the other hand, I go there when I'm not on our clan server, they jump on you for even one swear. within half a second of someone swearing, everybody in the clan says "No Swearing".


Exactly! That way, nobody can say they weren't aware of the rule. Even non-members have started jumping on it. I don't usually tell people this, but we're secretly training everyone for low reaction times so they can win on game shows that have buzzers. :)

We actually experimented a lot before arriving at our current server policies. In the beginning, we issued at least 2 warnings, followed by one or more kicks and later a ban. Everyone who needed more than one warning abused the policy. Eventually, I started to skip the kicks because I noticed that anyone who was kicked ultimately came back to cause even more trouble. After several months, we shortened the policy to 1 warning followed by a ban. People still continued to abuse the policy, so we changed it to a max of 1 warning followed by a ban. Any player present at the time a warning is issued is assumed to have seen it. Of course, since most warnings are issued by several people in the server, even people with text lag can see the warnings.

Posted by: ConMan577
And yes, I also enjoy being able to play a game without getting into an argument with some big headed player, about the most kills, or the weapon I'm using, ect ... Swearing every now and then, should be ok, as long as its not like an F-Bomb, or something like that.


Oh, we make fun of heavy weapon noobs. Nothin' wrong with that! ;)

Unfortunately, when we used to let things slide, too many people would abuse the rule or try to start debates about what amount of swearing should be considered acceptable, or they'd gripe, "Why was my friend banned when so-and-so wasn't?" Also, it doesn't take much to set off a lot of players, and a single well-timed cuss word is all it takes to start a flamewar.

We want everyone in our server to be treated with respect, and we have found that one way of encouraging that is to disallow the kinds of things that get under people's skin--cussing, corpse raping/teabagging, corpse beating, and plain old harassment, to name a few. By sticking to a few simple rules, it takes most of the subjective burden off of our admins and allows them to spend their time enjoying the game instead of spending all their time babysitting.

Posted by: No Refunds
Banning for swearing usualy comes from some kind of moral belief (Like I don't believe in moral beliefs), which usualy come from religion.


Technically, by saying you don't believe in moral beliefs, you're saying that you don't think that moral beliefs exist, or that nobody else has moral beliefs. By acknowledging the existence of moral beliefs in religion, you're actually contradicting yourself. So I'm going to say that you not only believe in moral beliefs, but you even have some yourself.

Do you think it's wrong to kill people--in real life? :P If so, then it's probably safe to say that you do have some sort of moral belief. If not, when was the last time you approached a completely random person and killed him or her? If you never have killed anyone, what's stopping you? Certainly anyone could watch enough CSI to learn how to get away with random killings.

For RP, it all comes down to respect. Whether you're swearing at other players or wasting the admins' time by arguing about the server rules in-game, you're showing disrespect for someone. If you think the belief that people should be treated with respect is purely a religious one, then I suppose you might be right that our no cussing rule is based on our religious beliefs.

If that explanation of our no-pottymouthage rule isn't good enough, then you can chalk it up to our own selfish motives: we would rather spend 3.2 seconds notifying players about the rule and 1.7 seconds enforcing it than waste all our time arguing about whether someone is crossing the line or arguing about why one person was banned and another one wasn't.

When one player is disrespecting the rules, there's always another one waiting in line to get in.

Raptor

  • 12.20.2006 10:48 PM PDT
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True and I don't personally have a probem with the first one because I curse like a sailor. However, the 2nd one can be an immediate kicking offense in my book, there is no need to curse like that, it is a game after all.

Besides there is nothing wrong with wanting to have good, clean fun. You don't have to cus all the time. I mean its not like it makes you look any cooler, or any older, or any more mature; I just do it out of habit and from where I grew up, I can't control myself sometimes. However, that doesn't mean that I like it. I am a religious person(lol you would never know.) not a MAJOR fanatic, but I do believe in things. I may not have the best morals but my goal is to try and teach people that you don't always have to conform to other things; For instance if 10 smoke weed that doesn't mean you have to but some people do it anyway.

That is my biggest goal for the MAW, that is my purpose. I am training the officers in that clan more about life than I am the game. I want to make a positive impact on not only their lives but on everyone's life in that clan. I've been attempting to pass on little bits of knowledge using halo themes to do it. I do this to educate them. I occasionly slip these in and they sometimes don't even know it. When I wasn't able to continue teaching martial arts at my school, I had to find other methods to teach people. I wish only good things for the people in the MAW and I will teach them everything I know to try and make them better people. Most of them have no idea I even did some of this stuff because I kept it to the officers but before the forums went down I was about to post things for them to see.

I wish only great things for those fine young people, and teach them I will. I am their Grand Vizier, their 2nd in command, their leader and I try my BEST to act like it, doesn't always mean I succed but i want them to learn from my mistakes and not make them. I fail so they can learn from me even though most of them don't even know it. I fail so they don't have to. This is what I do, it is the way I am. I am that kind of a person, and I am glad I am. Hopefully soon I can start imparting some true wisdom to them and help them be successful in their lives.

This is one reason why I call myself the Demigod, not just for my skill but for what I do. I guarentee you will be stresed to find someone in the Halo clan world who will do what I do.

  • 12.20.2006 11:10 PM PDT
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I have a single question, though...
What's your policy on self-censorship? For instance, if someone were to say "F--k" or "(Bleep)" (Yes, I know, uncommon, but there's a few people who might do it.), would they earn a banning, a warning, or just be left alone? Obviously, if they were saying it right and left as much as they could, they'd be booted/banned in no-time. But, what is your policy on the occasional self-censoring?
Yes, I am aware that I may be somewhat alone in self-censorship, oh-bloody-well.

  • 12.20.2006 11:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tedi Slayer
I have a single question, though...
What's your policy on self-censorship? For instance, if someone were to say "F--k" or "(Bleep)" ... would they earn a banning, a warning, or just be left alone?


It's true that this is pretty rare. Usually we'll issue a warning if it's the first one, but anything after that is at the admin's discretion.

In most cases I've seen, people have used self-censorship as a way of trying to circumvent the no-pottymouthage rule and direct a nasty comment toward someone, which defies the spirit of the rule in the first place. In those cases I've let someone else take that player's place in the server.

Raptor

  • 12.20.2006 11:27 PM PDT

Posted by: RP_Raptor
Posted by: thePheonix9
good to hear RP. Love your servers, good gametypes and no -blams-.


Thanks! (And thanks to everyone else who has posted kind comments, as well.)

Although that plasma pistol spawn weapon with no spawn grenades on damnation was a mistake.

Yeah, about that...we also recognized the problem and removed Damnation from the rotation quite some time ago. Just yesterday we re-added the map but we're now using a custom gametype called Team Slayer Pro-human. I haven't actually had a chance to play it yet, but it's supposed to spawn you with the Pro weapon set (pistol, AR, 2 grenades), and only human weapons are available (we're hoping that will cut down on the lag on that map).

Still, theres the all needler one which rocks. you gotta tell me how to set that up.

That was Team King on Wizard. That's also been out of the rotation for several months. I think you need to stop by again and take a spin in our shiny new mapcycle. ;)

Raptor



lol, ill be sure too, ive been having lots of hw and playing wii which is incredible, maybe ill check it out tonight.

  • 12.21.2006 12:58 PM PDT
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When I say I don't have moral beliefs I mean I really don't care what people think about me. Everyone lies and no one in this world is going to cover your ass when they have the chance to cover theirs. What I'm saying is don't give people to much credit, humanity is overated...

I also do have a problem when somone says this:

"You -blam!- -blam!- face I'll eat your -blam!- because you -blam!- -blam!- me up -blam!- face. You -blam!-. -blam!- -blam!- whore, go to -blam!- hell and -blam!- rot."

But if you kick or ban someone for saying a little thing like saying -blam!- when they die thats just idiotic. I see the point that swearing is imature, but it's just a word. It's not doing any physicle damage, and it's a simple human reaction to get angry and do bad things when they're angry. When you get a 2% on a test you don't say:

"Oh no....I got a bad grade..."

You say:

"Crap! My parents are going to kill me, damn it I should't have been out smoking pot last night, should've been home studying!"

My point is swearing is a simple human reaction, and though you should control yourself and not just go crazy saying -blam!-, it's not like we all don't do it. You have your own rules, but just be aware that people swear, it's inevidable...

  • 12.21.2006 4:38 PM PDT
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lol im teh last 1

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Posted by: Demigod333
I wish only great things for those fine young people, and teach them I will. I am their Grand Vizier, their 2nd in command, their leader and I try my BEST to act like it, doesn't always mean I succed but i want them to learn from my mistakes and not make them. I fail so they can learn from me even though most of them don't even know it. I fail so they don't have to. This is what I do, it is the way I am. I am that kind of a person, and I am glad I am. Hopefully soon I can start imparting some true wisdom to them and help them be successful in their lives.

This is one reason why I call myself the Demigod, not just for my skill but for what I do. I guarentee you will be stresed to find someone in the Halo clan world who will do what I do.

I thought that you failed just because you suxxorz....








jk :P

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  • 12.21.2006 8:54 PM PDT
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Dude, as much as it's a rated M game, it's still their server. You have to abide to their rules, and if you don't, then leave. I do agree that it is a rated M game, and since there are no filters, you should expect M-rated language. That doesn't mean that people have to swear in a game, though, just because it's rated M. Where on the ESRB rating do you see content for language abuse?

  • 12.22.2006 8:49 AM PDT
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As an ex-RP member, I have to say that Raptor isnt lying, there were more than 7000+ bans in the main RP server last time I checked the banlist back when I was still in RP. Whilst most of them did deserve their fate, alot of good players happen to get accidentally thrown in the mix from time to time. I unbanned a few MAW guys that were on autobans in the weeks prior to my leaving of RP. RP usually unbans most close friends every so often so if you do get autobanned, just send a PM to Raptor here, or at www.redphoenixclan.com/forum

Personally, I still get shocked at remembering how many people were on that damn thing, but it was from over 2 years of the server being up.

Crazy stuff.

  • 12.22.2006 10:37 AM PDT

The thing I hate the most is when i say one word of profanity and the admin bans me a half second later, while the person who just TK'd me and stole the flag I carried goes unscathed.

  • 12.23.2006 12:35 AM PDT
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Uh, back on topic, I think...
GameSpy runs the master server, which ALL players MUST use to connect to ANY game. Even X-Fire uses it. Ask them for the data.
Oh, and Punk, you need http:// at the start of a tagged link on B.net. Like this:
[url]http://www.link.org[/url ], minus the space of course.

  • 12.23.2006 3:59 AM PDT
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Uh, question!

Has RP ever settled for a kick instead of a ban?

  • 12.23.2006 10:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cannon_Fodder
The thing I hate the most is when i say one word of profanity and the admin bans me a half second later, while the person who just TK'd me and stole the flag I carried goes unscathed.


How would you know he got away with it if you were banned? :P Whenever we see someone who obviously TKs for the flag, we ban the player immediately.

Posted by: Oni Ryu
Has RP ever settled for a kick instead of a ban?


Yes. Originally it was 2 warnings prior to a kick or ban, and either 1 or 2 kicks before a ban, depending on severity of the infraction. In the worst-case scenario (for the admin) you would have seen at least 2 warnings, a kick, 2 more warnings, a second kick, another 2 warnings, and finally a ban. Some of the more lenient guys even issued more warnings and more kicks. Unfortunately, most people simply didn't get the message until we adopted a more decisive policy.

Our admins were wasting all their time babysitting and didn't get to enjoy the game at all. Occasionally they got sucked into annoying debates about the server rules, and quite often the troublemakers simply tried to see exactly what they could get away with.

Anyone who can find our server again should also be able to find our website with a little help from Google and post on our forums. We have absolutely no problem unbanning players who put in legitimate unban requests. If more than a couple days pass and yours gets lost in the flood of forum activity, please don't hesitate to post again.

Raptor


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  • 12.24.2006 11:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: RP_Raptor
Anyone who can find our server again should also be able to find our website with a little help from Google and post on our forums.

And make sure that, if you do visit these said forums, that you don't say ANYTHING about the obvious flaws of the RP Halo clan or their forums. This includes (but definitely not limited to) pointing out the immature attitudes of RP members, criticizing lame server gametypes, responding to Karma's arrogant (yet rarely backed-up) statements, appealing to a false hackusation ban executed by King, supporting KNFr in any way, or even something as small as suggesting they check the size of their 500x500px avatars. If one single incident occurs, all you'll find on your return trip is a ban notice, and you can be sure King will not have told his fellow clanmates of your unexpected depature.

Also, for Halo players looking for clan membership to RP, don't join RP and then quit at a later date, or King will deem you an "enemy of the clan" and ban you from the forums and server.

  • 12.25.2006 12:05 AM PDT
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And there it is! You were doing so well, too.... I was beginning to wonder why you were being so uncharacteristically polite, since your posts on our forums have been anything but. I hope you finally feel better letting all that pent up bitterness out.

I could respond to each one of your claims (none of which are even relevant to the post you replied to in the first place), but I've already addressed most of these multiple times on our forums. The others I wouldn't even dignify with a response because, to be honest, they are baseless claims intended to make me angry. Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not.

To summarize for the rest of the people reading this thread: don't worry, Oni Ryu/Dusk simply has a personal problem with King (and apparently Karma) and has only heard most of these things second- or thirdhand from the other 2-4 people who also have personal problems with King. As I've mentioned numerous times before, it all comes down to respect.

Merry Christmas, everybody!
Raptor


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  • 12.25.2006 12:55 AM PDT
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Ok, then, I'll say something more relevant to the topic.

RP is a joke. Your banlist proves it.

Posted by: RP_Raptor
The others I wouldn't even dignify with a response because, to be honest, they are baseless claims intended to make me angry.

Baseless? ...Well crap, I guess you're right! There's absolutely no evidence for me to go on. I guess it's because all the threads containing such were deleted, and all persons responsible were banned.

Posted by: RP_Raptor
To summarize for the rest of the people reading this thread: don't worry, Oni Ryu/Dusk simply has a personal problem with King (and apparently Karma) and has only heard most of these things second- or thirdhand from the other 2-4 people who also have personal problems with King. As I've mentioned numerous times before, it all comes down to respect.

It all does come down to respect. Take a clan with a message of fellowship and maturity, pledging to uphold the highest standards of civility as long as the RP tags are worn. Then, throw in a bunch of people that fall far too short to deliver such standards. RP claims to be one thing, and does another. But don't point it out! Instant ban to any that do. King, Stealth, and Raptor hate to be reminded of how badly their clan is run.

Also, upon receiving your ban, you can be sure that RP will talk about you in the safety of their forums to their hearts content, because yeah, it all comes down to respect. But! Do NOT call them out on this on another forum, because they'll find it and remind you that somehow you're not allowed to talk about RP, but they can dis you with no limit. As it clearly states in their clan philosophy, "Simply put, we feel all players (Red Phoenix or Red Phoenix) are human beings and have feelings and moral values. So we try as much as possible to treat other players with the respect and kindness they deserve (the key word is deserve to have the RP tags, and nobody else)."

And God forbid you snipe King out of a hog, too. KNFr H2O did it, and received a ban for aimbotting. Seems logical, though. Only an aimbot could pull that off. Kinda makes you wonder how many of those 8,252 were banned for "botting". ;)

  • 12.25.2006 3:09 AM PDT
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wow. still amazing how it got past 8000+

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  • 12.25.2006 3:38 PM PDT
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Hey, what's the IP for your server? I've been looking for a decent one for a while.

  • 12.26.2006 5:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Oni Ryu
RP is a joke. Your banlist proves it.


LOL :D This guy isn't worth my time, but apparently I'm worth his--even on Christmas. ;)

Anyone who wants to see what RP is like is more than welcome to stop by our server or forums and find out for themselves (then again, most probably already have).

Raptor

  • 12.26.2006 6:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: punkbassist8916
wow. still amazing how it got past 8000+


Remember, the vast majority of those are single autobans, many of which I'm sure were completely accidental.

Posted by: Playah 1
Hey, what's the IP for your server? I've been looking for a decent one for a while.


Here's our server info:

Red Phoenix Clan - Clean - Be Nice!
(though currently it's called Red Phoenix Clan - Merry Christmas!)
69.65.31.148

  • 12.26.2006 6:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: RP_Raptor
Remember, the vast majority of those are single autobans, many of which I'm sure were completely accidental.

If memory serves right, default autoban is lifted after 5 minutes. Why would a clan tweak their server's autoban settings like that?

  • 12.26.2006 8:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Oni Ryu
If memory serves right, default autoban is lifted after 5 minutes. Why would a clan tweak their server's autoban settings like that?


Your memory serves you right. If you want your question answered, please either come out and say exactly what you intend to say, or learn how to read a banlist.

Raptor

  • 12.26.2006 8:24 PM PDT
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Ok, then, I'll come out and say it.

Why are you guys taking away the 5-minute ban lifting? You do realize that if they come in and keep going, the ban gets longer, right? Why couldn't you just stick with that autoban method? Do you really like to see people perma-banned accidentally from your server? Has King's power trip spread to the rest of you? Do you guys pride yourselves in having the most pathetic banlist in Halo history?

And what about the other 1,000+ bans? How many of them were undeserved? How many times have you or your clanmates banned someone you THOUGHT was botting just because they raped you guys on your home turf? Let's not forget that KING is the epitome of that logic.

Answer that and stay fashionable.

PS: I just heard that Stalker has only recently heard of why I disappeared from the RP forums. Now he finally knows, after how many months of nobody telling him? Apparently, "he couldnt believe it". One more example of how the clan is corrupt and run in so many wrong ways. You'd think the leadership would at least inform its clan of who they ban from their own forums.

  • 12.27.2006 12:00 AM PDT