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Posted by: Oni Ryu
Ok, then, I'll come out and say it.

Why are you guys taking away the 5-minute ban lifting?


We didn't. A ban is not removed from the list when it expires. If it were, the server wouldn't be able to tell when someone has been autobanned for the second, third, or fourth time. After too many autobans, the server issues a permanent ban.

You do realize that if they come in and keep going, the ban gets longer, right? Why couldn't you just stick with that autoban method?


We understand exactly how the autoban mechanism works. If you have any questions about it which I have not answered above, please let me know.

Do you really like to see people perma-banned accidentally from your server?


No, but if someone continually gets autobanned and they haven't done anything to help themselves (e.g., come to our forums and explained the problem), we are stuck assuming they are just like the hundreds or thousands of players who get their kicks out of TKing intentionally.

Has King's power trip spread to the rest of you? Do you guys pride yourselves in having the most pathetic banlist in Halo history?


Not gonna waste my time on these two. You didn't understand how autoban works, so it's possible you just don't understand certain other complexities, as well. Go take up your King issue with him.

And what about the other 1,000+ bans? How many of them were undeserved?

None, as far as I know. I assume there are a few in particular that you're talking about; and as much as I hate to say it, those guys are completely lacking in maturity. One glance at their own forums should be explanation enough of why we don't appreciate their company.

How many times have you or your clanmates banned someone you THOUGHT was botting just because they raped you guys on your home turf?


We don't do that. The only time we ban for botting is when we are able to record video of the botter. We have a thread on our forums dedicated the subject.

Let's not forget that KING is the epitome of that logic.


He doesn't have RCON on the Halo server, and never has had it for as long as he's had the game.

You seem to have a particular agenda here. I'm more than happy to answer your questions, and I'm not opposed to engaging in an intelligent argument. But I have better things to do than respond to your mindless rants.

Raptor


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  • 12.27.2006 10:35 AM PDT
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We didn't. A ban is not removed from the list when it expires. If it were, the server wouldn't be able to tell when someone has been autobanned for the second, third, or fourth time. After too many autobans, the server issues a permanent ban.
So you're saying that people that get autobanned are on your banlist, but are still able to come back? How does that make sense?

Not gonna waste my time on these two. You didn't understand how autoban works, so it's possible you just don't understand certain other complexities, as well. Go take up your King issue with him.
I can't, seeing as how MY IP IS BANNED FROM THE FORUMS. I took it up with him a long time ago. He didn't say anything in his defense, but rather banned me and hoped I'd stop pointing out how much of a totalitarian power-crazed leader he is. He ran away from me. Tough leader, eh?

None, as far as I know. I assume there are a few in particular that you're talking about; and as much as I hate to say it, those guys are completely lacking in maturity. One glance at their own forums should be explanation enough of why we don't appreciate their company.
The thing about that is, yeah, their forums are kinda odd. But, whenever someone comes into their forums and bashes them, KNFr pwns them verbally just as easily as KNFr pwns them in Halo; Neither of which any RP is apparently capable of doing.

And if you don't want immaturity on your forums, why is Karma still there? All he can do is cuss like a drunken sailor and call people -blam!-.

The only time we ban for botting is when we are able to record video of the botter. We have a thread on our forums dedicated the subject.
(X£)DusK: Hey, are you banned from RP's server?
KNFr¬H²Ø: more than likely
KNFr¬H²Ø: :D
(X£)DusK: lol Why?
KNFr¬H²Ø: b/c i hit too hard
(X£)DusK: rofl

He (King) doesn't have RCON on the Halo server, and never has had it for as long as he's had the game.
Then who banned the KNFr that "botted" King out of his warthog?

  • 12.27.2006 12:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Oni Ryu
We didn't. A ban is not removed from the list when it expires. If it were, the server wouldn't be able to tell when someone has been autobanned for the second, third, or fourth time. After too many autobans, the server issues a permanent ban.
So you're saying that people that get autobanned are on your banlist, but are still able to come back? How does that make sense?


Exactly. One glance at a banlist will reveal that there are several columns in a comma-separated list. The rightmost column lists the expiration date and time for the most recent ban issued to a CD key hash. The column immediately to the left of that shows the number of bans issued to that CD key hash.

Not gonna waste my time on these two. You didn't understand how autoban works, so it's possible you just don't understand certain other complexities, as well. Go take up your King issue with him.
I can't, seeing as how MY IP IS BANNED FROM THE FORUMS. I took it up with him a long time ago. He didn't say anything in his defense, but rather banned me and hoped I'd stop pointing out how much of a totalitarian power-crazed leader he is. He ran away from me. Tough leader, eh?


Name-calling doesn't get you too far in the real world. Imagine what would happen if people treated you the same way on the Internet.

None, as far as I know. I assume there are a few in particular that you're talking about; and as much as I hate to say it, those guys are completely lacking in maturity. One glance at their own forums should be explanation enough of why we don't appreciate their company.
The thing about that is, yeah, their forums are kinda odd. But, whenever someone comes into their forums and bashes them, KNFr pwns them verbally just as easily as KNFr pwns them in Halo; Neither of which any RP is apparently capable of doing.


I suppose "odd" is one word for it, though not the one I would choose. When someone comes to our forums and bashes us, I prefer to resort to more grown-up measures than name-calling and cussing people out. I wouldn't stand for someone to walk up to me and relieve himself on my shoes in real life, and I see no reason to tolerate it anywhere else--particularly not when there's a very simple solution. Mind you, I tried to be nice for probably longer than they deserved on our forums, and even went to the trouble of posting on theirs. They didn't have the courtesy to even try arguing intelligently or admitting their own faults, and after it had been out of hand for a while, King stepped in. I didn't particularly agree with the timing or the exact method, but in the end it seems both sides got what they wanted--not having to put up with each other.

And if you don't want immaturity on your forums, why is Karma still there? All he can do is cuss like a drunken sailor and call people -blam!-.

I don't recall him acting that way in our server even before he joined us; and as far as I know, he hasn't done it since joining RP. You seem to have beefs with a lot of people. Why can't you all just get along? ;)

The only time we ban for botting is when we are able to record video of the botter. We have a thread on our forums dedicated the subject.
(X£)DusK: Hey, are you banned from RP's server?
KNFr¬H²Ø: more than likely
KNFr¬H²Ø: :D
(X£)DusK: lol Why?
KNFr¬H²Ø: b/c i hit too hard
(X£)DusK: rofl

He (King) doesn't have RCON on the Halo server, and never has had it for as long as he's had the game.
Then who banned the KNFr that "botted" King out of his warthog?


I don't know, but it certainly wasn't King. And you know how those guys act; most likely he was booted for a different reason. I haven't bothered checking whether he's actually banned, and I'm not certain whether it would do any good since I don't know when this supposedly happened or whether he was using an alias. In my book, "more than likely" isn't the same as "yes." As far we know based on what you've said so far, he left the game because he felt he'd succeeded in thoroughly thrashing King in Halo (which isn't hard to do, as I'm sure King would admit himself, since he's only recently begun playing Halo).

Raptor


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  • 12.27.2006 12:37 PM PDT
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Name-calling doesn't get you too far in the real world. Imagine what would happen if people treated you the same way on the Internet.
Nice, nice. I see you sigged it too. The problem with that is, I wasn't going for generic name-calling. I was simply describing what kind of leader he is. He knows he's extremely flawed in many of his decisions, and his only defense is the fact that his clan offers a welfare service to its members. Maybe he should just stay off the Halo field and spend more time on MonsterJobs. At least then he'd be making more sense.

I don't recall him acting that way in our server even before he joined us; and as far as I know, he hasn't done it since joining RP. You seem to have beefs with a lot of people. Why can't you all just get along? ;)
What!!??? Aw man he is -blam!-. He did challenge me to a 1 v 1, but then I told him I was RPC Sonic, and he changed his tune. He's nothing but a troll. Where is the post? I want to respond.

EDIT: and he isn't worth wasting time on either. And he is a liar. He quit.

And you attack ME for name-calling. I guess that whole "RP above any other" bullcrap still stands, even among the clan's few polite members. Your clan's philosophy contradicts itself. Maybe King should update it. ;)

And BTW, I would've responded to that thread, but I'm banned. So tell Karma that I don't care who he is, be it RP-Karma, the noob with lame homo-blam!--based insults, or RPC~Sonic, the noob that tries to shoot me with an AR from 500 yards away; If he's going to talk crap and refuse to back it up, he shouldn't talk crap at all. Also, tell him I'm still ready for a 1vs1 whenever he's willing to back up all the crap he's talked recently.

  • 12.27.2006 11:47 PM PDT
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I see what Karma meant when he called you a troll. I read the Bungie forum rules the other day, and I'm not supposed to feed you. Sorry.

Raptor

  • 12.28.2006 12:35 AM PDT
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Figured. I throw in a few attacks on the low integrity of your clan, your leader's diplomacy ethics, and point out the evident contradictions of everything your clan claims to stand for, and you give up and run away. Just like King.

Anywho, back on topic. 10,000 bans. Anyone else have a server with a banlist that sad?

EDIT: And for anyone who wants to see King's general power-crazy attitude in action, check this thread out. Rhetoric just informed me of this. A really good guy (Dapp) decided to leave RP for reasons of his own. As you can clearly see, he left on very friendly terms, trying to maintain the numerous friendships he has built in the clan. He is now banned from the forums. Just because he left the clan to progress in his Halo career. He did absolutley nothing wrong, yet received a ban. This is the true face of the RP clan, A failing Halo clan that can do nothing but turn their backs on everyone but their own. No wonder RP's server has such a long banlist; That's all they know how to do.

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  • 12.28.2006 1:47 AM PDT
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Raptor, I sent you a message about the recent stuff that King has been doing, but anyways, to sum it up...KING has a big problem with anyone who decides to leave his clan on their own.

Like, for example: Me, Vishal, Whome and Unique, which all four of us were the few of RP's best, decided to leave and seek out new clans to join. Next day, KING bans all four of us, labeling us traitors and supporting outsiders over RP. WTF is that crap? So, we have friends in KNFr or other clans and we have similar opinions, but they arent the same opinions held by RP, therefore we are supporting outsiders.

And more recent...another friend, Dapp, also left RP. Anyone care to take a guess as to what happened to him on the RP forums? Yup, he got labeled a traitor and was banned.

Despotism ftw.

  • 12.28.2006 2:01 AM PDT
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I'll take care of it.

I would also like to add that it would be really nice if you guys used private messages or e-mails to discuss current events which are not directly releated to the original topic. (Originally I simply asked what kinds of interesting statistical studies could be done on a series of banlists.) There's no need to replicate our correspondence on every single communication medium we use.

Raptor


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  • 12.28.2006 6:22 AM PDT
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http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=9561241&vi ewreplies=true

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  • 12.28.2006 7:25 AM PDT
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I would appreciate it if you would make your own thread and edit your post to link to it instead of "hijacking" this one just as I'm trying to get it back on topic again.

Thanks,
Raptor

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Posted by: ConMan577
Honestly, banning for swearing is really dumb. Its an M rated game. Why not ban for killing as well?
I can understand if there are insults getting slung around, but someone saying damn or hell shouldn't be a big deal. And please don't try to use a "family orientated" excuse. If a parent is letting a 12 year old play an M rated game, I doubt that they really care about swearing in the game. If you can't take the swearing, go to some E rated game. But even then, I've heard swearing in them.
And if you couldn't tell, this is a topic that annoys me, that people think swearing is worse than the game they play.


You are 100% right.

  • 12.28.2006 8:58 AM PDT
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The RP clan is merely entering a time of depression, or if it continues like you say, than perhaps this is the end of it's story. However, I am not there to see it so I can't make an accurate prediction. Besides power corrupts, you can't expect that no one is immune from it. All who have power seek to not only use it but gain more. This happened in the AO, this is apparently happening in the RP, based upon their words, this will happen in TUI, HMC, and even The MAW. It is an inevitable trial.

On the same token do not be so quick to deal out judgement on leaders, for they have the most stress of all. If you look in your history book you will that every president that WENT into office with colored hair, ALWAYS came out with gray hair, EVERY SINGLE ONE. Does that tell you something about stress?

All clans will witness a power struggle, even if small, it will happen. You must be ready for it, and we will see how RP weathers the storm.

As for him banning people after they leave, this is paranoi at its best. He doesn't want the ones that left pulling the ones still in the clan. Do you see now? He is pretecting is clans best interest. It is low down, but apparent. Honestly his dealings are a little more extremem version of mine, and mine have not failed me yet.

"Do not be so quick to deal out Death and Judgement, for many who live deserve death, and many who died deserve life. Can you give it to them Frodo?" -Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.

  • 12.28.2006 10:14 AM PDT
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I appreciate your perspective, Demigod. I wouldn't say this is a time of depression so much as that there have been a couple of incidents which certain people outside of RP keep dredging back up.

King and I agree on many things, but we also respectfully disagree on others, and each of us knows when to let the other take over on a given issue. The problem comes when people who don't have the vaguest clue about a situation try to "fix" things by parroting whatever it is that their friends' friends are saying. All this does is cause unnecessary drama and relight old fires, bringing even more uninformed people into the loop. It's quite enough to deal with these things the first time around, but it's even more disappointing when an issue is otherwise closed and someone reignites it.

Raptor

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As for him banning people after they leave, this is paranoi at its best. He doesn't want the ones that left pulling the ones still in the clan. Do you see now? He is pretecting is clans best interest. It is low down, but apparent. Honestly his dealings are a little more extremem version of mine, and mine have not failed me yet.
So you're saying that King is just trying to stop people from leaving RP and finding a better clan? Kinda pathetic. "Oh crap, they might follow (insert player name here) out! I can't allow an inter-clan fellowship between players to continue! I better ban him so I can keep what players I have left! And I won't tell anybody either! Flawless!"

  • 12.28.2006 10:38 AM PDT

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I have not waded through the whole 3 pages of this topic, but it's way off track. I play on RP quite a bit, and I like their server.

I like servers that don't tolerate crap. I'm glad their ban list is as long as it is.

  • 12.28.2006 7:41 PM PDT
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Well, Raptor, what DusK said is the way I see it. When me, Vishal, Unique and Whome left, immediately afterwards, we all found that we were banned for no reason. Now, just recently, it has happened with Dapp.

This is a warning: If King continues running RP like this, it WILL die out or become the most hated clan in HPC (besides [SR] of course :P)

  • 12.29.2006 1:22 AM PDT
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As hated as SR??? BAH!!!!

LOL IMPOSSIBLE, THEY ARE A MOCKERY!!!! A stain, a blemish, a pathetic, worthless, unethical, completely useless -blam!- stain on society. They make me shiver. They make REAL halo players and clans look bad.

I can't believe he has the -blam!- balls to call himself a god damn clan leader, teaching people to act and feel that way! To feel hated and to never aspire, SON OF A -blam!-!! He makes my blood boil for what he does to the people in his clan...FOOL!

I would murder the leader of that clan if given the chance, or at least smack the living -blam!- out of him. Sorry but I don't like to hide what I mean to say, that is how I feel.


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  • 12.29.2006 1:34 AM PDT
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THEY ARE A MOCKERY!!!! A stain, a blemish, a pathetic, worthless, unethical, completely useless -blam!- stain on society. They make me shiver. They make REAL halo players and clans look bad.
Yeah, they're the most worthless clan ever concieved.

And [SR]'s pretty bad too. ;)

  • 12.29.2006 1:55 AM PDT
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lol, Heres many shining examples of the [SR] clans -blam!-ness.


KNFr-H2O finding the [SR] clans portals

KNFr-Starz getting banned from the server by [SR] Rapier

Me, Rhetoric, getting banned by the homo-blam!- leader of [SR], Tegma.

  • 12.29.2006 3:48 AM PDT
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10000 bans is pathetic tbfh.

  • 12.29.2006 10:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: SimonJester753
I have not waded through the whole 3 pages of this topic, but it's way off track. I play on RP quite a bit, and I like their server.

I like servers that don't tolerate crap. I'm glad their ban list is as long as it is.


Thanks! We like you too.

Raptor

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Posted by: punkbassist8916
lol, Heres many shining examples of the [SR] clans -blam!-ness.


KNFr-H2O finding the [SR] clans portals

KNFr-Starz getting banned from the server by [SR] Rapier

Me, Rhetoric, getting banned by the -blam!--blam!- leader of [SR], Tegma.


Off-topic:

Matt, maybe it's best to make a post(or find one) dedicated to [SR]. I agree that what they do is pretty sad(and definitely thread-worthy, if you have the time).

Dusk, what's with the vendetta towards RP? What did we ever do to you? I'm not talking about just King, I'm including everyone. You trash talk RP because you have an issue with King... how does this make any sense? The same goes with Karma; he did something you didn't like, so you rant about the whole clan. If you have an issue with him, do what you can to get a hold of him and make your arguments on that front. If he won't give you an audience, then it's best to let it go. All you're doing is straining yourself and giving yourself a bad reputation along with RP. I'll bet if you spent half as much time practicing Halo as you do bashing clans, you'd be even better than you are now(which is already pretty impressive). Besides, this isn't the place for this discussion. The thread is meant to discuss the banlist, not the clan that has the banlist. How about keeping it to PM's or making another thread? Perhaps someone should invite King to come to the Maw and speak for himself rather than having everyone hear about him second-hand.

I apologize for this off-topic paragraph: as far as H20 being banned, it wasn't for botting. It's more likely from the verbal abuse of RP as a whole. Despite H2O being somewhat of a friend, I know that he earned that ban(if it actually occured; I have yet to see for myself any proof).

Let's at least try to keep it civil. Personal attacks and bashing aren't going to solve Oni/Dusk's issue. This is a debate for another place and another time. Please reply to the off-topic parts of my post in a Private Message or in a new thread.

On-topic:

Autobans remain on the list to make sure that the player is remembered in case they are TKing intentionally and need to be banned again whether through an autoban or RCON use. Why shouldn't they stay on the banlist, even for an autoban that has expired? If they didn't, the autoban couldn't keep track of serious TKer's and permanently ban them after a set number of autobans. Our autoban has also been fixed; the banlist isn't filling up as fast as it used to because the autoban has been toned down some.

Bans for aimbotting are very rare because definite proof is required before action is taken. Nobody has been banned that didn't earn it.

  • 12.29.2006 4:08 PM PDT
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I'll just put it basically.

I bash King because was a prick to not only me, but many former RPers.

I bash the clan because they stand behind him. Only ONE member of their clan hasn't so far, and it's a person I actually respect a lot; RP-Platypus.

  • 12.29.2006 9:31 PM PDT
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Who art thou, JesusCtheSpartan? lol.

Anyways, I'm done with RP, and I have no intentions of joining back. Sure, I still pop in the server from time to time but thats as far as it goes. Whether or not KING gets some sense to stop banning people who leave RP on their own will from the forums is entirely his deal. Its his clan so if it dies, it dies. Life goes on. Like KW just died, and life is still moving ahead....

  • 12.29.2006 9:54 PM PDT
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That's a good idea, Rhet. Maybe I should start ignoring those I have no respect for. I think I'll just sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch RP die.

I'm not changing my sig, though. It pwns. XDDD

  • 12.29.2006 11:00 PM PDT