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Posted by: fragrate
Brutes ruined Halo 2, just cut them off Halo 3. Either that or i really hope they turn out the way you guys say they are going to. Still, nothing can be the same as going against the Elites...

Anyway, is there work being done on the Marines? The Marines in both Halo 1 and 2 were as dumb as a rock, I tell you even a 12 year old kid would kill more Elites using a rifle than those guys, please, they are Marines, make them act like Marines.

Oh, and No more Arbiter please!!! I want to play as the Master Chief. Sure, have the Arbiter in the game but not playable... I'd rather play as the MC through going through the library then the stupid Arbiter. lol


I don't think Brutes ruined Halo 2. But I don't think they added much to the game. They pretty much created the conflict that will lead up to Halo 3. Thats really all Halo 2 was. A prelude. Personally, I thought the storyline could've had a little more flavour. It felt a little repetitive and I didn't feel like there was anything else going on around me, plot wise.

I agree, there should be much work done on the marines for Halo 3. If the marines had something similiar to the "Brute Pack" they spoke of in the documentary, it might give the illusion that the marines work as a squad, rather than standalone soldiers.

Yes. No more arbiter please. While I know it may have been necessary to further the Covenant conflict, it took away from the struggle of the humans and the MC, who we really want to play.



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  • 12.20.2006 11:34 PM PDT
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Well, after thinking about the brute dilemma I have decided on what I would prefer their behavior to resemble. You can’t just make them a warrior like an elite but with stronger melee. Instead, brutes should be predatory creators that use their environment with cunning animalistic ingenuity. Instead of them bouncing off walls when they get angry, they should try to find some way to cleverly move in for the kill, possibly by sneaking up on you.

Lets face it, who would you rather be in a fight with a man hunting you in the forest with a rifle, a panther silently tracking you and watching for a time to kill you, or a Dallas Cowboys linebacker. The linebacker is tough for a regular citizen, but not a gun-carrying super-marine. However, the panther, which to me is what a brute should be like, could get the drop on the chief and use its strength and animal ferocity to rip him apart. The man with the rifle, like an elite, is a foe that will require excellent mental combat to defeat, possibly forcing the chief into the role of a panther.

I know brutes need to use weapons and vehicles, but I rather see a few uber brutes dodging in and out of the shadows, triangulating my position, and cornering me, than a mass of brutes coming at me in the open firing plasma pistols. In-depth guerrilla warfare may not be the brute’s thing, and I know Bungie’s AI programmers are already pushing themselves to create something fun that works within the game engine. I am excited to see how brute intelligence has benefited from their hard work.

  • 12.21.2006 12:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: VashNKnives
I know brutes need to use weapons and vehicles, but I rather see a few uber brutes dodging in and out of the shadows, triangulating my position, and cornering me, than a mass of brutes coming at me in the open firing plasma pistols. In-depth guerrilla warfare may not be the brute’s thing, and I know Bungie’s AI programmers are already pushing themselves to create something fun that works within the game engine. I am excited to see how brute intelligence has benefited from their hard work.

Awesome idea man, have them use the active camoflage, I really did expect that to be used for that purpose on me in the previous halo games. I used it exactly like you speak of a couple of times in halo 1 and 2. I never understood why they only ever had an elite with it standing out in the open waiting for me to kill him as I'd pretty much have to not trip over him to miss him.

  • 12.21.2006 2:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: SPARTAN 685
Move over Energy Sword, I can't wait to use the Brute BANHAMMER! Fighting a dual sword elite would be sweet too...



now here is some1 bungie should listen 2

  • 12.21.2006 3:26 AM PDT
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The elites have Ranks, so how does the ranking system work among the brutes ?

  • 12.21.2006 3:55 AM PDT

A witty signature you say ! ? well at the moment i have nothing witty that springs to mind, so sory..................nope still nothing.......

wow, just saw the vid on youtube, love the new animations and the jenerial 'beating the crap outa marines' be interesting to see were you take this bungie ! and the brute models ,while still pre alpha look great. invironments look like there coming along nicely two, so keep up the good work ! theres definatly some new mombasa settings in the works.

  • 12.21.2006 3:57 AM PDT
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i didnt like the brutes. regardless to say, i didnt hate them, nor did i think they ruined halo 2. however, i still think they suck unholy things. i love the ELITES. they rock.
Frankie, will bungie be doing VIDOCs on other halo charactors, like the ELITES (which i love).
i loved the VIDOC, it ruled, along with everything else bungie givs us, but i was only disapointed cos i hate the brutes, so it didnt appeal to me! loved the footage tho!

Elites RULE
i want the arbiters love children! just like tucker!
Sleepy

  • 12.21.2006 4:06 AM PDT

How do ppl feel about the Arbiter being back in the game, for those who didnt see him in the video here are the screens.

http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/img_4135427. html

http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/img_4135392. html

and also the four grenades in the corner.

  • 12.21.2006 4:08 AM PDT

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I agree, there should be much work done on the marines for Halo 3. If the marines had something similiar to the "Brute Pack" they spoke of in the documentary, it might give the illusion that the marines work as a squad, rather than standalone soldiers.



i agree the m,arines need a touch up of ai as well as graphics i can slways remember a elite throwing a plasma grenade in halo 2 and the marines standing there ignoring it and continueing to fight also i do thinks they need to work as a team covering each other etc

ps i wanna fly a pelican even if its not in campaign jus please let me fly 1

  • 12.21.2006 4:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Avatar1976
Posted by: VashNKnives
I know brutes need to use weapons and vehicles, but I rather see a few uber brutes dodging in and out of the shadows, triangulating my position, and cornering me, than a mass of brutes coming at me in the open firing plasma pistols. In-depth guerrilla warfare may not be the brute’s thing, and I know Bungie’s AI programmers are already pushing themselves to create something fun that works within the game engine. I am excited to see how brute intelligence has benefited from their hard work.

Awesome idea man, have them use the active camoflage, I really did expect that to be used for that purpose on me in the previous halo games. I used it exactly like you speak of a couple of times in halo 1 and 2. I never understood why they only ever had an elite with it standing out in the open waiting for me to kill him as I'd pretty much have to not trip over him to miss him.


fantastic ideas and brutes should climb trees like apes and jump down on unsuspecting marines

  • 12.21.2006 4:13 AM PDT
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OMG!!!! Shotgun rapes!!!!! I can't believe we got to see the SMG even, I'm glad to see it's still in the game. I can wait to see the AR though... I can't wait until the next update. Great job to everyone at Bungie keep up the good work!

  • 12.21.2006 4:46 AM PDT
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When you watch this(i recommend good old Youtube)then look carefully at the Brute Spikers,impressive,no?also when it gets to the part about the different Brute classes pay attention and you will see the Brute Chieftan firing a Plasma Cannon(the ones the green Grunts set up and use)in his hands!Also i cant see anything about a grenade bar so how come somone said about it in the update?

  • 12.21.2006 4:55 AM PDT

DEEP NNN = Depends

Clan 2old2pwn on 2old2play.

Don't let yesterday use up too much of today.

Sorry to stray from the topic but all these questions about playing as a Brute has me worried about what is more important to me.

I truly appreciated playing in the role as the Arbiter. Finding out they were a noble race of warriors who were deluded by the Prophets made the character seem more real to me.

I wonder if a lot of people didn't take the time to stop and listen to the the other Elites comments. That really sold me on the character. Most people just run through the battle sequences and don't stop to smell the roses.

My questions are, will I get to play as the Arbiter or Elite again and will there be even more in game dialogue between the Arbiter and other Elites?

  • 12.21.2006 6:40 AM PDT

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question for frankie

what weapons from the trailer will be usable ie the gravity, hammer portable plasma turret, etc.? or will they just be covie weapons cos that sucks we need to be able to drive every vehicle use every weapon kill every foe in halo 3 no limits no boundaries pull out all of the stops on this one bungie

  • 12.21.2006 6:47 AM PDT

DEEP NNN = Depends

Clan 2old2pwn on 2old2play.

Don't let yesterday use up too much of today.

Sure, this is just a video game but I don't see how the current Covenant civilizations could create and support the technology they use. They have huge four fingered appendages that can barely press a button let alone pull their own fly down to water the flowers.

Shouldn't there be a Covenant civilization of technologists and tradesmen that create everything they use? Why don't you show a few of them here and there?

  • 12.21.2006 6:49 AM PDT

Have that!!

*perfection medal*

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Thanks loads guys, the gameplay and graphics look fantastic!! I think I cried when i saw it :-) Can't wait for the game

  • 12.21.2006 7:24 AM PDT

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Question for Frankie

When I saw the vidoc I saw an elite duel welding swords and killing a Brute that had a hammer. Is this a little bit of foreshadowing, or was this just to get people's hopes up? My guess is that the sword won't be duel weldable in the final game.

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  • 12.21.2006 7:47 AM PDT
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I just got the title: Et tu brute... like Brutus.

  • 12.21.2006 7:48 AM PDT
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Frankie,

I want to smash someone with a gravity hammer!!! Make it happen, I beg you!!! I noticed a green splat whenever the shotty belched out a cloud of death in the face of one of those hairy bastards...did you guys decide to give the Brutes some Vulcan blood? I am all for a rainbow of carnage when I blast, so if the green makes it into the final cut of the game, I'm all for it. Thus far, it looks incredible. The plasma/ spiker shots in HD damn near burned out my retinas on my 1080p DLP. I can't wait!!!!


"This ring isn't a cudgel, you barbarian, it's something else... something much more important."

  • 12.21.2006 8:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: DEEP NNN
Sorry to stray from the topic but all these questions about playing as a Brute has me worried about what is more important to me.


Ummm, I thought that bungie said in the update that the Brutes were not going to be playable characters??

  • 12.21.2006 8:05 AM PDT
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Hey frankie, gr8 job man, and all the guys (and ladies. we're not sexist here!) at bungie. convey my thanks if you please. anyways, near the end of the VIdoc we see a brute chieftain, i think he has deep red armour on with a plasma sword. so my question is this. have you alterted the design of the sword, or is there a brute version, like their version of the ghost. because instead of the sides being curved, they were triangular and came to a point. it also looked shorter but that may be because of the build of the brutes. or is it just because this is months old and its not fully ready and its just my mucked up eyes lol.

btw.. i can't wait to tear into those furry gits with my shotgun. OOOOOOOOH MOMMA!!!!!!

  • 12.21.2006 8:12 AM PDT

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Since the brutes are getting an armour upgrade, will any other characters get the same treatment (ie The Arbiter, Marines etc)?

  • 12.21.2006 8:13 AM PDT

A witty signature you say ! ? well at the moment i have nothing witty that springs to mind, so sory..................nope still nothing.......

This is my second post of the day. I dont know if anybody noticed but the sceen were there is a bungh of bruts crowded round an enemy and are basicly puching the s**t out of it, if you look ver cloasly the enemy will appear just above the crowd of bruts, i'm allmost a hundred percent sure it's the arbiter ( it's definatly an elite) i'm guessing though hes just placeholder for other enimies. just fought people might be interested.

  • 12.21.2006 8:23 AM PDT
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Are the grunts sort of scattered on to both sides of the covenant split? because in game play in halo 2 once the brutes had started betraying the elites some grunts helped you out but in the Documentary their are grunts helping the brutes. Also I saw a model in the game of an elite dual wielding swords is this gonna be in campaign only or Multiplayer (your probably gonna tell me maybe anyway). Finally when it shows brutes being shot at by a shotgun is the green their blood? cos it looks as if its coming out the shotgun its difficult to tell.

  • 12.21.2006 8:35 AM PDT