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Your wrong Tmone because the forerunners built halo to destroy all living things in the universe starving the flood they wouldn't send people to earth because halo would eventually destroy earth. I think the artifacts and stone on Sigma Octanus IV are somehow linked to a way to finding earth its a crazy concept but possible.

  • 06.01.2004 4:55 PM PDT
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But your theory makes sense also. You have some good ideas.

P.S. I can kick all your asses in halo.

[Edited on 6/1/2004 4:57:50 PM]

  • 06.01.2004 4:57 PM PDT
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hey tmone17 its a game do u think some loser would spend all that time thinking about a story that complicated.. u know people have lives!

  • 06.01.2004 5:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: aol30
hey tmone17 its a game do u think some loser would spend all that time thinking about a story that complicated.. u know people have lives!


Yea some people have lives and jobs, like the poeple who work at bungie, it thier job to make great games. The even said in one of their developers interviews " Yea i dont know if were crazy or we just like great storys, but we definatly went to great lenghts to make sure we had one." So yes they would. And you should kindly get a life, one not involving halo or these forums. Thank you. And He distinkly said "But once the others follow suit, This GALAXY will be quite devoid of life. But you already knew that, i mean how coouldnt you." And if i remember correctly it tokk them 20 somthing hours to get back from halo to reach at lightspeed. Thats a damned for journy, Match that with the fact that earth is even farther, With the same atmosphere and gravity, Id say it was far enough away to work in my thery. Thats all for now.

  • 06.01.2004 7:20 PM PDT
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  • 06.02.2004 4:35 PM PDT
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I have a theory! Dr. Halsey says that freethinking AIs think themselves to death after 7 years or so. that proves that the forerunners can't exactly be ancien! unless, of course they figured out how to extend AI life. 343GS clearly has to be a freethinker. The Forerunners cannot possibly be ancestors to humanity. The Covies worship forerunners like gods, and if humans were genetically identical to fore runners, why would the covies say "Your destruction is the will of the gods, and we are their instruments." I dunno, i'm probly waaaaaaaay off base here.

  • 06.02.2004 6:06 PM PDT
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I have a theory! Dr. Halsey says that freethinking AIs think themselves to death after 7 years or so. that proves that the forerunners can't exactly be ancien! unless, of course they figured out how to extend AI life. 343GS clearly has to be a freethinker. The Forerunners cannot possibly be ancestors to humanity. The Covies worship forerunners like gods, and if humans were genetically identical to fore runners, why would the covies say "Your destruction is the will of the gods, and we are their instruments." I dunno, i'm probly waaaaaaaay off base here.

Well the forerunners most likely have evolved past the point of using just 10% of thier brains, and have probally worked out the inner workings of the human mind. Since the ai's were made from copying neural electric pathways of the mind, And do not require the knowledge of how the brain works to know it works, Very possibly the figured out exactly what would do this to the ai's. Or maybye just the increased brain functionallity Help in added life spans. Most likely the former. And if you read any of this stuff here, The mass of the covenant dont really need to know whats goin on. Prophets claming to be the decendants of their gods are not questioned, and what they say goes. If aliens came to a planet of little technoloogy and claimed to be from the gods, Would this less intelligent race whos saw these Creatures accend from the heavens, To show them what they never seen before. Do you think theyed thell them there full of -blam!-? No. Niether do i.

  • 06.02.2004 7:15 PM PDT
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Wow, that was really thought out. I was origionally going with the theory that Forrunners were covenent a LONG! time ago. I am ashamed to have been so. But Jeez all your gramaticle not-caring really made it a toughy. I guess I never acctually gave the monitor much thought, (just shot him on occasion and loathed him with a passion).

  • 06.02.2004 7:44 PM PDT
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thanks. i guess.

  • 06.08.2004 7:57 PM PDT
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maybe master chief went back in time

  • 06.09.2004 1:03 AM PDT
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has anyone considered the possibility that after the destruction of halo we see 343 flying off in space, a few hours before in the maw level he is obtaining all of the data and info from the PoA, does anyone think it possible that in the time inbetween halo and halo 2 that the covenant found him floating in space and ripped him to pieces and thus found out where earth was from the data he had obtained while hackin into the PoA?

just a thought.....

i think that the forerunners were really intellegent ancestors of humans that created and experimented with life because of they were reaching their technological peak (like the chozo in metroid prime if you have read all the chozo lore) thus they created the human race by sending bacteria or "life" to earth and also experimented with the flood, building the ring worlds as GIANT labratories to contain and examine the flood and to act as countermeasures should the flood ever escape
i also think that the prohets (the oldest and wisest of the covenant coalition) were jelous of their superiority and thus set out (with the help of the other covenant) to use the forerunner technology and destroy their creations aka humans

i dunno, summat like that anyway

-Tomcat-

  • 06.09.2004 5:52 AM PDT
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Ok here it is, i came to these conclusions just as i finished the First Strike book. It took a while but i finally hashed it out. HERE IT IS

Humans are the fourrunner. Reasons: In the book the fall of reach, Halsey hacks into the ONI database, more specifically a doctor Ackersons account, whom is against her spartan program. And in his files there is something that he knows about under the mountain bae of reach. This thing is a crystal ball. This ball warps spac and time, this ball warps slipspace and you can peer into other slipspaces with it. Halsey and her spartans find this ball. So why do the covys want this ball so bad, think about the speed and accurace they can jump systems in if they had it. So who wouldn't want it.Halsey gives an expenation on how the ball does what it does but its reall wierd.

Know you ask, how did this crystal get on reach? I have an answer for that. "Humans".!!! Ok think of this ball as a time machine, which it sorta is, humans in the future built the ring worlds. Ill answer why they built them a little later on. The only thing i dont understand about the rings are the flood. And 343 was obviously created to watch over the systems and their environments. The reason GUilty Spark calls chief the reclaimer is because in the futre there are spartans as well, albeit they look a little different. And i know there are spartans in the future b/c mendez was going off to train more of them, so who knows how many batches of spartans there are going to be created.
Then we humans used this time bending space bending ball to come back to the present years and we burried it deep inside of the reach complex, so know one could find it.

What about the funny looking writing everwhere on halo-> well that comes from an future human dialect. In First Strike cortona is placed in a database on a covy cruiser, soon after, she is trying to fiqure out how to understand the covenat writing, when she realizes that the covenat writing is just the same as the writing on halo just with a few dots or lines here and there. The writing found on halo can also be found on Sigma Octanus four. And this writing led halsey and her spartans to this ball, deep under the base mountain on reach, the writing was on the walls. The writing on Sigma octanus was found in another cyrstal that the covenat were using and sending its message to one of their ships in space just above the planet, the chief witnessed this. And cortona also realized that the writing on this crystal found on sigma octanus contained coordinates to reach, which is where the wierd ball was located. So humans from the future brought the ball back placed it under the base mountain on reach, using the futures writing and wrote on the walls how to find it, then they (humans from the future) went to sigma octanus and put these coordinates (WHICH WERE IN THIS FUTURE WAY OF WRITING) to find the ball on reach in a crystal and put it in a museum. Also while the covys were at sigma octanus they were guarding this museum very heavily. What you have to understand is that the covenat are followers not leaders, so im thinkin they came across this writing and modified it so they could use it. Thats why they can understand the severity and be able to lock doors and stuff on Halo.


It also could be that the humans from the future are actually pirates that survived the human covy war, these pirates were mentioned in the First strike book, they live in another system inside of an asteroid belt, and the future humans built these halo structures so that the human race could use it against the covenat before they wiped out humanity.

Also while i was typing this out i got another idea in my head, its sorta the same but backwards, instead of the humans being the forruners it would be the covenat. So in this idea the covenat in the future have this ball to zip around space extra quickly. They build these rings, and yes this funny writing is the covenats, but in the past, they did not get all the human colonies destroyed, and the humans are really kickin some covy butt, so the covys for safe keeping hide this ball in reaches base complex, and they write about this, thats where the profits come from, they are from the past and cant get the ball b/c its on a human inhabitet world, so how do you get it, you kill every one of the humans, so they dont iterfere.And the prophets are controlling all of the covys actions cause they konw what to do, since the prophets are the ones who came from the future and hid the ball for later use. So this time the covys are making sure they kill every human, so they dont get in the way again, like in the future. That would explain all the writing looking like covenat writing, and thats how they know where everything is, meaning sigma octanus and the base on reach, they knew to look there, cause there the ones who hid it there, and the great ones that the covys keep talkin about are actually the covenats in the future. Which are sorta like gods to them.

One of the people who gets off of halo blows up this space ball, and its floating in space,and another thing, at the very end of First strike something wierd happens, the covenat start looking for this ball somewhere out there in space and at the end of the book a brute comes and talks to a prophet, well the prophet opens the little box containg three little pieces of this magic ball the instant he opens the box, everything in the room starts to shift and the prophet has to stabilize himself, but its not that that has me thinking, what he says next intriques me, he says, He looks at the bruit and says "It may yet be enough for our purpses...and one more relic from the Great Ones, as precious as they are, will soon make no difference to us." "Make sure those pilots who survived are well rewarded. Then execute them all. Quietly. Quickly." Know why in the hell would you want to kill your pilots, hes talkin about the ones that flew the missions to find these pieces.
Then he says "Soon the great journey shall begin, and let nothing in this universe impede our progress"

So there you have it. my theory, im sure theres something im forgettin but you get the idea.

  • 06.09.2004 9:27 AM PDT
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The covenants dialect resembles that of the ones used on halo because there immitative not innovative,the prophets most likely learned this from or studying the forerunners. Its immplicable to think the covies could be forerunners, because There not intelligent enough to create things like halo. They dont even understand how there own weapons work, let alone have the ability to create worlds. They just absorb technology from conquered worlds. The moniter even refers to an unarmored marine as reclaimer, so that name has little or nothing to do with the spartans. He even refers to the covies as the "other races" as though he has no knowledge of thier excistance, or who they are. He reconizes humans, and their appearance/ bio signs. That artifact bends time andd space as sort of a means of fate. Cortana said we had to be there at this exact time.... and the crystal made it so. The reason the prophet said what he did was because They know the location of earth. They no longer have to find thier advasarys homeworld. Those piolets were killed because the prophets are afraid of knowledge, They know alot, and want to keep it all to them selfs, and dont want any of thier followers to wise up to whats going on. idk wtf the great journy is, maybye some kinda cult thing, just dont drink the punch dude.

  • 06.09.2004 11:40 AM PDT
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Ahem. To whom it may concern, Ugh i frogot...

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That would explain a lot including why they wouldn't make the monitor an organism because of the first time the flood got out of control. Tmone is correct.

[Edited on 6/13/2004 1:14:23 AM]

  • 06.13.2004 1:13 AM PDT
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Geezus.. i just saw this but up top where it says library it gives a good intake as to what the library level is all about. So maybye if we mapped the dna of the flood we would see that we are the forerunner, makes a little sense. And by we i mean Human kind in the halo universe.

  • 06.13.2004 11:10 AM PDT
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ok remember he said that before Mc was there there was a marine that got halfway through and the monitor at first thought the marine was the reclaimer so i think the montitor is looking for people that are skilled fighters becuase he doesnt remember what the reclaimer looked like but the monitor remembers other things like what the reclaimer said and that he was a skilled warrior

  • 06.13.2004 4:03 PM PDT
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or maybe the forerunners exist in the future and send things back in time but they temselves do not go back. they send halo the bacteria to earth from the future to the past. they might have taken things from the past as well like Mcs armor went to the library(in the past of course) and took the core thingy and put it back(they studied it or something) and the real MC came and since MC looked the same as the forerunner teh monitor thought he was the reclaimer

This is getting confusing lets just wait for more halo books

  • 06.13.2004 4:16 PM PDT
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They didnt use the mc armor, The moniter says theres a class nine version of the mc's (class 2). And i think the moniter is simply reconizing dna or somthing simillar to it, Thats why he reconizes the marine and the armor clad chief as the reclaimer, He eho is there to reclaim the ring for his species.

  • 06.13.2004 5:40 PM PDT

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Will someone please explain to me what 420 has to do with anything?

  • 06.13.2004 6:52 PM PDT
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dominus plus joined on 4/20 and as fpr what 420 is you should either read the first page or look online, caus as i siad before that isnt what this topic is about.

  • 06.13.2004 7:10 PM PDT
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I think your on to something Tamone17, because that would explain alot. and like u said maybe the profits were aroud during the 4runers and they were enimys, so later when the 4runneres were gone they told there troops to destroy humans (since i think now that the 4runners were human ancesters) beause of there religion, but infact because they dont like the 4runners who were human!!!!!

[Edited on 6/14/2004 12:24:24 PM]

  • 06.14.2004 12:21 PM PDT
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every species evolves, right? So we humans could, quite possibly, evolve into the Forerunners that existed before. Maybe they had created the Flood, and found that they couldnt erase them at that time, so they sent their DNA to Earth so that one day that DNA would evolve into what they currently were and undo what they had done by destroying the Flood. The Forerunners may have then spent every last member of their race building the Halo rings and securing the Flood so they didnt destroy the DNA they had sent before it evolved.

I also think that the prophets may have been the origional race on which the covenant was built. They could have had something against the Forerunners. (maybe its was because they were so technologically advanced?) So now that they know that the humans are the pre- evolution of the Forerunners they are seeking to destroy every human so that they shall be the superior race in the universe.

That's just what I got from what has been said and what I have been thinking about personally. You started a great topic tmone17.

  • 06.14.2004 7:12 PM PDT
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Well you know what your all WRONG! I know the whole shennanigan and kaboozle! I was there 15,000 years ago! My mother was chinese and my father was a elite. This therfore made me a Grunt. My grandpappy was 343 Google Spark. He told me about the ancinet ring world known as Halo. "It was created by those who are dead" he told me, "And the dead shall keep it" I was puzzled by this so I did some reaserch and I found out that this had something to do with Anakin SkyWalker and Jar Jar -Blam- face. I flew to Naboo where he told me that Mexican dog feces was how the forerunners were made. Forerunners created Halo with microscopic photon energy rays made by my Grandpappy. While constructing they ran into a man called the Architect. He made the systemic anomaly known as the Matrix. They forerunners and the Architect both created Halo and a lot of others. Then I ate a bean Chimmichanga with asparagus. I had explosive diahheria and a ulcer. I mated with a Brute and out popped my son tbone. This concludes my theory that I smoke pot. Thank you for reading this bull--blam!-

  • 06.14.2004 8:15 PM PDT
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Umm thanks alot, but why would we evolve backwards? Why would the forerunner send a potentially lower species to do there dirty work, Sheeiiit if the forerunner couldnt stop the flood with thier technology why would they send and unevolved version of them selfs to do it, I think most likely it was just thier own dna for the fall of thier empire was at hand, fearfull they were going to fall forever. idk tho.
lo -blam!--ing l

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