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Subject: More Than Just Spartans Versus Elites?
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Poll: Multiplayer: More Choices than Spartans and Elites?  [closed]
Yes:  48%
(46 Votes)
Ehh.. Maybe:  22%
(21 Votes)
No:  29%
(28 Votes)
Total Votes: 95

Several people have brought up the idea of using additional characters in multiplayer games (including Marines, ODSTs, Brutes, etc). While I welcome the addition of the Elite with open arms, I (as usual) am a bit concerned with the idea of adding more choices. While the original 007 was/is arguably one of the best FPS, I can't help but think that the addition of more characters would end up feeling, well, like a 007 game. Also, it seems to me, that adding more characters, would simply strip the emphasis, persona and importance from the Spartans and Elites. If you ask me, it's perfect. It's all about balance! ;)

But that's just my opinion, what do you guys think?

  • 05.25.2004 10:21 PM PDT
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I Dont Think There Should Be More Charactors Because Spartans And Elites Are The Only Ones With Shields. A Grunt Would Be Funny...And You Can Hear Him Wheezing And Panting.

[Edited on 5/26/2004 3:04:31 AM]

  • 05.26.2004 3:03 AM PDT
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Yes, I agree with DarkMage but it would be nice to have more that two teams. I don't know how it would work but you could have green vs red vs blue vs black or something similar (only problem is that people would feel like the enemy was ganging up on them)

  • 05.26.2004 4:00 AM PDT
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The whole idea of different characters I find a little bit too far. Yes it would be fun to be a different character but maybe Bungie picked Elites for a reason. Elites are a similar size to Spartans, both have shields and move at a similar speed. Using different characters will create handicaps (which could be a good thing).

New players could be the stronger elite or spartan while better players could take the role of a grunt, or jackel.

  • 05.26.2004 4:23 AM PDT
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It would be cool,but i don't think Bungie will include any more MP characters,because of all those HUD's,they would need plenty of programming and animation and sounds to all of them if additional characters like:Jackals,Grunts,ODST,Marines,Brutes,Hunters,will be in the game. But maybe bungie will surprise us :)

  • 05.26.2004 4:31 AM PDT
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ODST vs Elites would be perfect!

  • 05.26.2004 4:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Blue Rap7or
ODST vs Elites would be perfect!


No not really. They aren't even close to being the same abilities. In The Fall of Reach, When Master Cheif was just out of being biologically augmented, he killed three ODST's with ease. And thats without the MJOLNIR suit. And Elites have the same strength of Spartans.

[Edited on 5/26/2004 6:47:37 AM]

  • 05.26.2004 6:42 AM PDT
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The only cool way of having other MP characters would be if the Spartan players can have CPU Marines or ODST's with them and the Elite players can have CPU grunts or jackals with them. Then they can go off and cause distractions or (with the better AI) even help you.

  • 05.26.2004 6:45 AM PDT
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Have these units for a nice balanced game.

Elites
Jackals
Grunts

Spartans
ODSTs
Marines

And in some game types have a limit on how many Elites/Spartans you can have each team. Possibly even adjust health levels (meaning make all units Legendary strength) and team size limits to make the game more fair. Wouldn't be that hard and it would be extremely fun/ challenging.

  • 05.26.2004 6:45 AM PDT
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Like i said in my first post i wouldn't care if i died a lot, i just want to be a Grunt in some,not all of the multi-player action. Sure i would die more often, sure i would have less health, but it would be fun to run around like a pansy, get a few kills and run away.

Jackals would be cool also, the shields they have would play a very important strategy for the player to make use of. Could you imagine a team of jackals? They would cover each-other use their shields in a combined effort, it could be very scarry indeed to see that happen.

The brutes and hunters would kick a lot of ass in multi-player also. They would have more health and no shields. No big deal really, that is all you have to do to balance them out. Oh yeah they would have kick ass melee damage.

So lets see here, Grunts can use any weapon, have little health, carry grednades, are small and fast.

Jackals have about the same health as Grunts, carry shields, use one handed weapons, and probably can't use grenades if they have both the shield and weapon active(like dual wielding)

I think elites and spartans should be a little different, maybe make elites stronger than the spartans, but make the spartans just a little faster. I don't want them to be indestinguishable(SP) in mulit-player. I've always felt differences in skins should equate to differences in play.

[Edited on 5/26/2004 7:04:40 AM]

  • 05.26.2004 7:03 AM PDT

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The only cool way of having other MP characters would be if the Spartan players can have CPU Marines or ODST's with them and the Elite players can have CPU grunts or jackals with them. Then they can go off and cause distractions or (with the better AI) even help you.

I think that would be the best way to do it. Plus playing with AI bots would be fun as hell. However, Grunts and Jackals are weaker than marines and ODSTs so they would have to be more numerous.

  • 05.26.2004 7:15 AM PDT
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I wouldn't want more than Elites And MCs. As much as it would be cool. it wouldn't be Halo. Pitting MC vs. his arch enemy is cool though. But if you read Truly Cunning Creative Cartographers thread you will see my sweet idea for bots, it's on the first page.

  • 05.26.2004 7:20 AM PDT
Subject: More Than Just Spartans Versus Elites?
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moved to another thread.

[Edited on 5/26/2004 8:22:59 AM]

  • 05.26.2004 7:27 AM PDT
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p1acebo, I must respectfully disagree with you 100%, okay, well maybe 85%:) because I think that it would be awesome to have a ton of different multiplayer characters 'IF' and only if our pals at bungie could find a way to give everyone shields and find some sort of balance (which they are actually very good at doing). and don't worry it won't be anything like Goldeneye, (even though goldeneye isn't a bad game to be like)...and lastly, don't you get tired of playing the same ol' M.C. vs. M.C. Multiplayer battles? Elites are awesome, and playing them will be a blast, but it would be nice to use other peeps (like in time splitters 2). Oh well, there are my 2 cents...I'll see you on the battlefield my brothers, good hunting.

  • 06.02.2004 10:16 AM PDT
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I would say having marines like johnson running around shouting his comments would be quite funny.

  • 06.02.2004 10:26 AM PDT
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ok
....No...just no, think about it do u want to spawn and die in an instant from a brute ripping out your skull then beating you to death with it (it can be done RvB). No you dont i think keeping it Elites and Spartans is perfect. we dont want to suggest something stupid like other players as jackals or something omg think before a sound even exhalts your mouth ok. Also i hope that The elites and spartans will have the exact same abilities and the exact same everything. i want to be killed by skill. not by a cheap advantage that the spartans/elites have ya know. Im just wondering if you can have the original spartan on spartan matches ya know different skins or elite on elite. I want this muliplayer to be balaced not bull -blam!- like splintercell :PT's online that sucks balllllllllls!

  • 06.02.2004 10:36 AM PDT

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An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

Each character could be balanced. It would take time and effort, but it could be done. You can never balance the external factors, like each players skill level.

And you can never get the -blam!- to play as anything other than a Spartan. Or could you?

  • 06.02.2004 10:47 AM PDT
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well if they are equal then it wont matter then thier just skins... its gonna go down to weather you prefer to defend or attack first, plus i wouldnt watn to wait for halo 2 anylonger just to play as a grunt. there cool and all but c'mon in 13 and ithink if i got into a fist fight with a grunt he would be dead.

[Edited on 6/2/2004 10:49:32 AM]

  • 06.02.2004 10:48 AM PDT
Subject: At the risk of sounding like a silly rabbit...
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What is an ODST? I probably know, but can't think of it,( So some nerd is gonna jump down my throat for not knowing) plus I hate using the short form of words all the time, our society it so lazy, techy, just add water, instant and microwave-ready now, go figure...and as for the original topic, having a lot of different character for use in mutiplayer would rock with the proper balance.

  • 06.02.2004 10:53 AM PDT
Subject: More Than Just Spartans Versus Elites?

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Posted by: Raidenoo9
well if they are equal then it wont matter then thier just skins... its gonna go down to weather you prefer to defend or attack first, plus i wouldnt watn to wait for halo 2 anylonger just to play as a grunt. there cool and all but c'mon in 13 and ithink if i got into a fist fight with a grunt he would be dead.


If you got into a fist fight with 8 Grunts, then you'd probably be dead. Do you get it now?

Something along the lines of Grunt = Marine and 8 Grunts = Spartan. At least in multiplayer when they're all controlled by human players. I'll never get to test it out, so I wouldn't know how it'd play out, but it could be done.

I just don't see how bungie could persuade the guys who don't like change to play as anything other than a Spartan.

I'd play as Grunt if I could track how many Spartans I've killed. Hell, I'd do it just for fun. I bet people would play as a Grunt if they had a decent Grunt scoreboard, or something that could distinguish yourself as a kick ass Grunt.

Meh, no ones going to want to play as a Grunt. Oh, well..

[Edited on 6/2/2004 11:04:59 AM]

  • 06.02.2004 11:03 AM PDT
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hey..i would play as a wibble just to taunt people w/ my high squeaky voice..and run away when it gets too hot

  • 06.02.2004 11:14 AM PDT
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i would do it just to taunt people w/ my horrible voice.. AHH elite is dead..run away!!!! Run AWAY!! bad cyborg...me first....etc

  • 06.02.2004 11:15 AM PDT
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this is the stupidest idea ever, why would you want to flood the multiplayer with choices nobody will use, being a jackal or grunt would be stupid as hell, as you would die in 1 shot from anything, the hunter would be crap because i hti on their orange spot kills them and they only carry a fuel rod gun, and the burtes only have 1 weapon, and they will probably die easy cuz they have no shield.
also the grunts would suck because all they can hold is a plasma pistol and needler, every other weapon is bigger than them.
keep it elite vs. spartan, keep them the exact same, with no extra vision crap or bullet time garbage, make the huds for each of them a bit defferant but thats it, make the shields and health the same, i dont want to be killed by some cheap crappy advantage.

It would be like "Would you want to play as a flood spore?" of course you wouldnt, same as the other flood, they all suck

[Edited on 6/2/2004 11:46:10 AM]

  • 06.02.2004 11:45 AM PDT
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Marines vs ODST's would work, when you do a "no shield" game you should be able to select them.

  • 06.02.2004 11:50 AM PDT

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