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Subject: Halo 2 Pc should not only be for Vista
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Posted by: Rklz Warrior
He's probably right, it's probably going to be needing more powerful software to handle the upgrades from the Xbox version.


See, I did state before that it may be needing more powerful software to handle the amount of upgrades and possibly exclusive content that it has. I just don't want to fork out an extra $100 to upgrade to Vista. I'm cheap.

  • 01.03.2007 12:13 PM PDT
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Nobody in their right mind would think that Halo 2 is being used as an advertising tool to get people to buy Windows Vista. As mentioned by many others before, Microsoft does not need a game to promote their operating system. Besides, has anybody thought that maybe other games (not just Halo 2) that will come out on Vista might make people buy Vista, aside from improved security, a better user-interface, and overall a superior OS?

  • 01.03.2007 12:17 PM PDT

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Well, I honestly have to disagree. H2 could run fine on XP, but its being developed on vista for the better of the game. I wouldn't be buying vista if it werent for the editing kit in h2v, along with most of the CE comunity.

  • 01.03.2007 12:37 PM PDT
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I bet it could. I bet it could. But here's the thing: it doesn't freaking matter whether or not Halo 2 would work fine on an out-dated OS. Nobody is trying to make you buy Vista in order to play Halo 2, it just happened to be Vista-exclusive. Plus, isn't Vista itself a reason to buy the OS?

  • 01.03.2007 12:47 PM PDT
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Its a company, the company will do anything it can for money, you may think that vista having halo 2 on it would not make a difference to sales, but clearly it would, otherwise they would make more money by making it available on 2 OS.

It is not that they have made it so that halo 2 can only run on vista, they don't care about the gamers experience, otherwise halo 2 would have had alot of changes to it, and be alot more complete.

  • 01.03.2007 1:45 PM PDT

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Well, it doesnt matter if they fix the tag and ballance bugs, the comunity can do it themselves.

  • 01.03.2007 2:13 PM PDT
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I hope all of you dont go and buy Vista right off the back, you know they always have bugs when they are first launched. Also the Bungie guys know all they halo fans are gonna wanna play Halo 2 for PC so what better way for them to sell Vista than forcing them to buy it jsut so they can play H2 for the PC. Its a good market strategy...i guess.

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  • 01.03.2007 2:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Master Kim
I bet it could. I bet it could. But here's the thing: it doesn't freaking matter whether or not Halo 2 would work fine on an out-dated OS. Nobody is trying to make you buy Vista in order to play Halo 2, it just happened to be Vista-exclusive. Plus, isn't Vista itself a reason to buy the OS?


No major offense, and I know I blanked out earlier on my aimbot post, but you're blanking out too.

Why else would the -blam!- make it Vista-exclusive? Microsoft got sued by the government a while back by making all it's software only work for their OS. They gained a monopoly on the market, the US got mad. So they're flirting with the line. Do you know how many copies of Halo 2 sold the day it came out? It's popular.

Oh by the way, in case you didn't know, Vista is a HUGE jump from previous OSes. It's 64 bit, and there are all new liscence restrictions. Microsoft is attempting to get as many people as possible to buy Vista.

Let's take what we have now:
-Vista is a cool operating system.
-Vista can get expensive, and has some potential marketing flaws.
-Microsoft has to sell Vista or have their profits backfire and loose money.
-Microsoft doesn't like to loose money.
-Microsoft makes Halo 2 Vista-exclusive to ENCOURAGE, NOT FULLY SUPPORT, sales of Vista.

Also, take a look at Xbox 360. They sold it at a price that made them loose money. Why? Because they KNOW people will buy it. How? Gears of War and Halo 3. No one, business wise, is going to update for something that they totally don't need. Many people think to same way, except the hard core gamers. Generally, people aren't fans of going out and dropping $100-$300 dollars for a new OS that's buggy. It's even one of Bungie's mottos: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." They need it to sell, so they make things Vista-exclusive.

I don't have an xbox, I'm going to go get Halo 2 Vista and buy the $100 update. Why? Because I like Halo 2. I also need it because I'm a game programmer, and I have to build for new technology.

If you still disagree with me, you fail.

Think some before you post next time, and I will too.

[Edited on 1/3/2007]

  • 01.03.2007 3:53 PM PDT
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Maybe you are forgetting that it wasn't Microsoft's decision? Bungie made the choice so we could have the fullest experience. It also gives them the chance to make the game better, as they will know what the minimum specs any Vista user could possibly have.

End of discussion.

  • 01.03.2007 3:57 PM PDT
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Have you ever programmed a game?

No.

Let me explain something here for those of you who don't quite get it.

An xbox is basically a PC with a modified version of Windows 2000 on it. Halo and Halo 2 both run on it. Obviousely, the xbox can support both. The xbox contains a 733 mhz processor, 64 MB of RAM, and a nVidia card specifically made for it.

Now, look at the Halo PC requirements. Fairly similar aren't they? 733 mhz processor, a bit more RAM, a video card. Oh, look at that! It runs on Windows XP too! Great, now I can enjoy Halo PC.

They even ported it to Mac.

Then we hear Halo 2 PC is coming out! Yay! Oh wait, it's Vista only. Pooey, why would the do that? Could it be that Halo 2 needs features that Vista has? NO STUPID! It runs on an Xbox, it can run on XP! We already saw that with Halo PC.

Additional features? They don't need Vista for additional features. Think about it, look at the screenshots. The only thing there changing is changing the multiplayer, because PC can't use live.

One last edit: Don't forget who publishes the game. Sure, Bungie can make choices, under Microsoft's restrictions. Even then, it could be a way to "smooth" it over to make it look like we're not getting forced.

[Edited on 1/3/2007]

  • 01.03.2007 4:07 PM PDT
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You're rather ignorant for a programmer...

Posted by: dbzprogrammer01
An xbox is basically a PC with a modified version of Windows 2000 on it. Halo and Halo 2 both run on it. Obviousely, the xbox can support both. The xbox contains a 733 mhz processor, 64 MB of RAM, and a nVidia card specifically made for it.


Really I did not know that...*koff*

Posted by: dbzprogrammer01
Now, look at the Halo PC requirements. Fairly similar aren't they? 733 mhz processor, a bit more RAM, a video card. Oh, look at that! It runs on Windows XP too! Great, now I can enjoy Halo PC.


While you are correct in pointing out that an Xbox is basically PC components wrapped in a clunky black box, you failed to point out the fact that an Xbox is optimized for gaming, meaning that ALL the system resources go towards rendering the game. I'm sure you realize the implications to that statement, an Xbox game will run nicer and look better than if it were installed on a PC of comparable specifications.

Posted by: dbzprogrammer01
Then we hear Halo 2 PC is coming out! Yay! Oh wait, it's Vista only. Pooey, why would the do that? Could it be that Halo 2 needs features that Vista has? NO STUPID! It runs on an Xbox, it can run on XP! We already saw that with Halo PC.


Yeah, I'm sure Bungie won't mind pushing the release date back another year so that can go back and re-port the game for the crying little children who want Halo2XP. Sure, Bungie could make a load of cash if they made it cross-compatable. But did you ever, just once, stop to think that maybe this time Bungie's trying to release a very polished and well made PC game instead of a half-assed port like HaloPC? Ever consider that maybe Halo2Vista will use some of Vista's unique features to bring a higher quality gaming experience?

  • 01.03.2007 4:56 PM PDT
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What They will do:
Make Halo 2 for Vista only

What you can do about it
Nothing

End of Story

[Edited on 1/3/2007]

  • 01.03.2007 4:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: trekkie
What They will do:
Make Halo 2 for Vista only

What you can do about it
Nothing

End of Story


QFGDMFT!

  • 01.03.2007 5:06 PM PDT
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I understand that it's only Vista. Great, we can rant though.

I'm getting Vista myself, sorry for all of you who aren't. Life sucks, I'm just providing evidence that it's Vista-exclusive to encourage Vista sales through gamers.

As for unique features, you can do just about anything on XP that you can do in Vista game wise. The major difference is that one's using Direct X 10 and one's not. The graphics pipeline now includes a geometry shader. Oh boy, big deal. Yes, it's got other crap in there too, great. You can still get the same result.

Btw, I'm an OpenGL guy, I just read on this because I want to play Halo 2 Vista. I also wanted to get some proof that it's a marketing scam so when someone asks they can get a true answer and not some over-zelous Halo fan saying that Bungie isn't influenced by Microsoft.

More edit:

Take a look at the screen shots they provide. Nothing special. The main difference is the addition of maps and changing of the network system. I go back to my original point. If they can port the original Halo to a Mac, then they can sure as hell port Halo 2 to XP.

[Edited on 1/3/2007]

  • 01.03.2007 7:37 PM PDT
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i think its their decison and im not arguing about it.

  • 01.03.2007 7:40 PM PDT
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If anything, it'd run faster under XP. Vista is a nice OS, but from my experience with RC2, It is extremely bloated, and uses much more system resources. This results in just about every game I try running slower. Maybe things have changed with the RTM build, I'm not sure, I'll find out if I end up getting a TechNet Plus subscription.

  • 01.03.2007 9:33 PM PDT
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I'm sure Vista will be better optimized in the final release version. If you'll recall, XP was a system hog when it first came out. But computer technology developed fast enough that not many people encountered issues with it. And have you tried turning off some of the more graphically intense features of Vista? I've got a seperate gaming account on my computer than has all the visual extras turned off, so I get a marginal boost in performance.

Now if you'll excuse me, my Cappucino is ready...

  • 01.03.2007 10:28 PM PDT
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I've been keeping count of these threads...I think I'm clocking like 28 now.

BTW the thing trekkie said, and Obi_Wan quoted...QFTGDMFT!! OMFG OWNT BECAUSE IT WAS SO TRUE!

  • 01.04.2007 1:07 AM PDT
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Yeah, the trekkster really hit the nail on the head with that one. I think that should be the official Maw stance reply when it comes to threads such as these.

Besides, isn't it a little late for bellyaching with the game about to be released within the next few weeks?

  • 01.04.2007 2:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: dbzprogrammer01
Oh by the way, in case you didn't know, Vista is a HUGE jump from previous OSes. It's 64 bit, and there are all new liscence restrictions. Microsoft is attempting to get as many people as possible to buy Vista.

Um, in fact, I did know. That's why I'm saying, Vista itself should be a reason to buy it.

Posted by: dbzprogrammer01
I don't have an xbox, I'm going to go get Halo 2 Vista and buy the $100 update. Why? Because I like Halo 2. I also need it because I'm a game programmer, and I have to build for new technology.
Hey man, it doesn't matter to me because I'm going to get Vista and Halo 2 anyway myself. And I already have a 360. :)

Posted by: dbzprogrammer01
Btw, I'm an OpenGL guy, I just read on this because I want to play Halo 2 Vista. I also wanted to get some proof that it's a marketing scam so when someone asks they can get a true answer and not some over-zelous Halo fan saying that Bungie isn't influenced by Microsoft.
This is where I agree with you. I want to play Halo 2 Vista as well. But it isn't a marketing scam. And for the record, I'm not "some over-zelous Halo fan saying that Bungie isn't influenced by Microsoft." What I am is a PC gamer. And trust me, no self-respecting PC gamer is going to let a two-year-old port of a game from a console to influence their decision of buying a new operating system. If, at the very least, it's the next-generation of DX10 games that are Vista-exclusive, such as Crysis, that are going to influence your average gamer to upgrade to Vista.

  • 01.04.2007 5:18 AM PDT
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Crysis is going to WTFPWN Halo 2 right into the ground.

  • 01.04.2007 10:14 AM PDT
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Screw XP. C-64! C-64!

  • 01.04.2007 10:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Crysis is going to WTFPWN Halo 2 right into the ground.

Agreed. If any one game is going to make people buy Windows Vista, it sure as hell isn't going to be Halo 2 but Crysis!

  • 01.04.2007 1:00 PM PDT
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Some people bought an Xbox just to play Halo. =\ That's all I've got left to say.

  • 01.04.2007 1:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: dbzprogrammer01
Some people bought an Xbox just to play Halo. =\ That's all I've got left to say.

Yes, they did. But people will not buy Windows Vista just to play Halo 2. Plus, people need to have decent computers to run Halo 2 (well) in the first place, so that alone will cost hundreds or thousands of dollars. In total, one will probably end up spending thousands of dollars for a decent PC and a copy of Windows Vista alone. Whereas buying an Xbox just to play Halo was much more simpler and cheaper.

And games aren't the only reason people are getting Vista, let alone Halo 2, Windows Vista is significantly superior to previous operating systems by Microsoft. That alone is worth buying it I think.

  • 01.04.2007 1:32 PM PDT

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