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Subject: Hear hear!

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

Posted by: Spec_Ops_Assault
Can it not be made that you can see them if blacklisted, just not post or is that taking away from their punishment?


As Achronos has stated in one of the other four thousand blackilist topics, not being able to see the forums was an unexpected side-effect of banning someone.

I personnally dont see the point in wasting time to ensure that someone who has violated the code of conduct gets to see the forums while blacklisted.

  • 01.03.2007 2:21 PM PDT
Subject: Re-tooling the freedoms of blacklisted users?

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I work at Microsoft. I have nothing to do with Halo and nothing I say is "the official word".

I never really understood why they get blocked from viewing the forums and stats anyway, can't they just log out? Even unregistered users can look at the forums...

[Edited on 1/3/2007]

  • 01.03.2007 3:30 PM PDT
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My friend, you would not tell with ſuch high zeſt
To children ardent for ſome deſperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum eſt
Pro patria mori.

Would be nice to have a chapter option of auto-blacklisting those who've been banned from the main forums. For those of us with chapters that are more public service than others, it could certainly help cut down on a lot of moderating work.

  • 01.03.2007 4:03 PM PDT
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Read about the Forgotten Spartan I Program
Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

I have to agree with TGP, even though he has a serious lack of scruples. I think if anything, we should take out the inability to view the forums. The object of blacklisting a member is to punish them for an infraction in the forums. Not the PM system, not his groups, not the news section.

To make a Recon-ish analogy; If a man stole a fox, keeping him from reading the newspaper would not be a punishment suitable to the crime. Stopping said person from talking to his family wouldn't really help either. Making him return the fox, or pay for it, and maybe some community service would help. An added note, Banning someone from the US because they have a DUI in Canada also makes little sense. Though this analogy is slightly less effective than the first, I hope you catch my drift, or at least got a view of it while it floated by.

You have no scruples.

  • 01.03.2007 4:58 PM PDT
Subject: Enslave all blacklisted users!!!!

WTF is an 'altercation'?
I could have sword it was called a alteration.

  • 01.03.2007 5:56 PM PDT
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I'll turn the screws of vengeance and bury you with honesty
I'll make all your dreams come to life, then slay them as quickly as they came

That is ridiculous. If anything, they should get more freedoms. They should be able to view the forums, just not post.

  • 01.03.2007 6:43 PM PDT
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Make a 3 day wait when joining bungie? it would be kind of unfair to new comers. but idk. its a hard issue to discuss.

  • 01.03.2007 8:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Muno
That is ridiculous. If anything, they should get more freedoms. They should be able to view the forums, just not post.
The one thing we don't need is to make our tools more ineffective.

  • 01.03.2007 8:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sir Fragula
Would be nice to have a chapter option of auto-blacklisting those who've been banned from the main forums. For those of us with chapters that are more public service than others, it could certainly help cut down on a lot of moderating work.


There's an idea. I think that's probably the best compromise between being banned from groups vs. not being banned from groups.

  • 01.03.2007 9:09 PM PDT
Subject: Enslave all blacklisted users!!!!
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Read about the Forgotten Spartan I Program
Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

Posted by: Pezza
Posted by: Muno
That is ridiculous. If anything, they should get more freedoms. They should be able to view the forums, just not post.
The one thing we don't need is to make our tools more ineffective.


In no way would that make the tools more ineffective. It would actually be more like having all the mods circle the user and go "na na na na- you can't post in the forums!"

Much more so than the current situation.

  • 01.04.2007 3:36 AM PDT

I think that if you're dumb enough to break a rule and get blacklisted on this site, you should be restricted from all of its features.

  • 01.04.2007 4:22 AM PDT

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It amazes me that someone actually thinks there are organized groups of individuals out there whose sole objective is to spam the Bnet forums.

Spamming is not organized crime. They don't have groups, they don't work together, they don't "communicate" (or even have a need to), and it certainly isn't their all-consuming life goal. And even if they did organize, they wouldn't be using the resources of the site they are spamming.

Spamming is random. Some idiot has nothing better to do and decides to spam for fun. Maybe he'll do it a few times. Maybe he'll do it for a couple hours. Hell, maybe he'll even devote a whole day to attempted spammings. But it's not an objective, not a priority, not a quest. Spammers do it for fun, get bored, move on.

It's like public restroom graffiti. Do you honestly think there are organized teams of people working together to write "suk my dik" and "phil wuz here" in bathroom stalls all over the place?

And as many have stated before, black-listed users can simply sign out of Bnet and gain access to the whole site again, save posting on the forums and using the H2 stats system.
What can they do to stop this? Ban IP addresses? Not hard to get around. Some people have static, or simply use a proxy. Even the real computer-dumb people can simply go to another computer at a friends house, library, or school.

There is only so much you can do about spammers. And to be honest, I don't think it's all that big of a threat here on Bnet. I've seen far, far worse on many other sites.

  • 01.04.2007 6:15 AM PDT
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My friend, you would not tell with ſuch high zeſt
To children ardent for ſome deſperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum eſt
Pro patria mori.

It amazes me that someone actually thinks there are organized groups of individuals out there whose sole objective is to spam the Bnet forums.

Spamming is not organized crime. They don't have groups, they don't work together, they don't "communicate" (or even have a need to), and it certainly isn't their all-consuming life goal.


Let me assure you that you're wrong on this count, having had much first hand experience of organised spamming.

  • 01.04.2007 7:20 AM PDT
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It amazes me that someone actually thinks there are organized groups of individuals out there whose sole objective is to spam the Bnet forums.
You underestimate the stupidity of humanity. A good example of organized spamming would be the "group wars" that had been going on a few months back.

  • 01.04.2007 7:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: JobeTheConqueror
It amazes me that someone actually thinks there are organized groups of individuals out there whose sole objective is to spam the Bnet forums.

Spamming is not organized crime. They don't have groups, they don't work together, they don't "communicate" (or even have a need to), and it certainly isn't their all-consuming life goal.

There are. And they do.

[Edited on 1/4/2007]

  • 01.04.2007 8:04 AM PDT
Subject: Re-tooling the freedoms of blacklisted users?

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Posted by: Sir Fragula
Would be nice to have a chapter option of auto-blacklisting those who've been banned from the main forums. For those of us with chapters that are more public service than others, it could certainly help cut down on a lot of moderating work.


There's an idea. I think that's probably the best compromise between being banned from groups vs. not being banned from groups.

i agree, it beats my idea by far. that option would help a lot i suppose.

  • 01.05.2007 4:05 AM PDT
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I disagree with you completely. Blacklisted members should be able to post on any group they want, Bungie moderators are the moderators of their groups, (The public forums,) they should not be able to ban blacklisted members from the site entirely.

  • 01.06.2007 5:44 PM PDT

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If you've been blacklisted it's because you deserved it, so your groups and private message should both be disabled. But not allowing them to even read on Bungie while not signed in, thats not worth the work nor time.

  • 01.06.2007 6:00 PM PDT
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TKD your kinda of a dick *hehe, dick, I said dick, hehe*. As long as blacklisted users arent screwing up your experience in the forums, why the hell should it concern you what else they can do. There are two things I needs to say to say

1. Sometimes good members get a 7-day timeout because they did something kinda dumb. Why should they not be able to access there group?

2. I bet if you got blacklisted you wouldn't want that happening to you. In response you may say "Im not gonna get blacklisted." However you dont know that. A stupid friend you had over your house could make a really stupid thread while you were logged on, or mabye you just felt really silly one night. How would you like it to not be able to do jack squat on B.net unless you signed off, for a week?

Thats the way I see it.

Oh, And I didnt mention, this sat first, they are called "Forum Ninjas" not, "Bungie.net Ninjas."

[Edited on 1/6/2007]

  • 01.06.2007 8:51 PM PDT
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I think it's fine the way it is. I've been Blacklisted myself and I don't think it's a good idea for those that are not to able to access groups and PMs. They may have something they need to communicate to another group member. A black list like that could indirectly affect those that have done no wrong.

What probably needs to happen with Bungie Blacklisting is that the individual when permanently blacklisted needs to be IP banned. Although if they do that I will be as well as I've been perma banned before.

[Edited on 1/6/2007]

  • 01.06.2007 9:07 PM PDT

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