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Subject: Will super bounces and or button combos be in Halo 2 for vista?
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Will super bounces and or button combos be in Halo 2 for vista?

I personally agree with IIDWells55XII and his post about button combos. Even though I agree with them in halo 2 because it is something that actually requires skill if bungie ports this aspect to the pc many people will probably program a single buttons to do a perfect double shot thus making the game unfair.

What do you think?

  • 01.10.2007 10:14 PM PDT
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So you had to make a whole new thread instead of just posting in the one that already discusses this?

  • 01.10.2007 10:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
So you had to make a whole new thread instead of just posting in the one that already discusses this?

Sorry what thread discusses this?
I felt IIDWells55XII was limited to button combos and I felt that super bounces are just as important if not more important concerning wether or not it is in the game.

  • 01.10.2007 11:24 PM PDT

When you do exploit glitches, it gives you an unfair advantage over non-glitchers, hence, the skill argument is not valid.

  • 01.10.2007 11:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: RidiculousX
When you do exploit glitches, it gives you an unfair advantage over non-glitchers, hence, the skill argument is not valid.

It is not an unfair advantage because everyone is capable of doing them but they take practice to do and therefore they can be considered a skill unlike modding and stand bying which do give you an unfair advantage.

  • 01.10.2007 11:36 PM PDT
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It's still a damn glitch. It was never supposed to be part of the gameplay at all. The rule of, "everyone does it so it's ok," doesn't work here.

  • 01.11.2007 2:39 AM PDT
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so then backpack reloading, melee reloading and pretty much half of the things we class as stuff that takes a touch of skill in halo 1 are also unskilled and unfair? Such as clicking with the pistol instead of holding the trigger.

  • 01.11.2007 5:43 AM PDT
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I've never backpack reloaded, or melee reloaded. And I do just fine. And yes, it is a glitch and it is unfair.

  • 01.11.2007 9:40 AM PDT
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superbounces were so fun to do in custom matches like snipers on lockout, zombie on foundation. i think its fun to do in customs, I must admit though that i did it in matchmaking. I thought it was somethin really fun to do and find with other xbl friends. i hope they leave it in. it was cool explorin the outside maps.

  • 01.11.2007 10:29 AM PDT
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It is not an unfair advantage because everyone is capable of doing them ...


stop right there honey bunch. not everyone can do them; PAL 360's have to be set in a certain mode (PAL-60) for superbounces to be made possible. Thing is, sweetcakes, some TVs dont work if the xbox is set to PAL-60 mode. Sorry to burst your bubble.

  • 01.11.2007 11:00 AM PDT
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Honey bunch? Sweetcakes? Those are two terms I'd never expect to hear on these forums...

The most likely scenario if glitches/button combos make it into H2V, is that the server operators who don't want them will just boot whoever uses them.

  • 01.11.2007 11:20 AM PDT
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so are there going to be bungie servers?

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Posted by: The_pwner
Will super bounces and or button combos be in Halo 2 for vista?

I personally agree with IIDWells55XII and his post about button combos. Even though I agree with them in halo 2 because it is something that actually requires skill if bungie ports this aspect to the pc many people will probably program a single buttons to do a perfect double shot thus making the game unfair.

What do you think?

Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
So you had to make a whole new thread instead of just posting in the one that already discusses this?

Posted by: The_pwner
Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
So you had to make a whole new thread instead of just posting in the one that already discusses this?

Sorry what thread discusses this?
I felt IIDWells55XII was limited to button combos and I felt that super bounces are just as important if not more important concerning wether or not it is in the game.

It's ironic. You mentioned Wells's thread at the very beginning, and in your second post you asked which thread discussed this topic when you mentioned it yourself. Don't do this again, please. Don't make a new thread to discuss a topic when there is already one made for said topic.

Let me explain to you the difference between Halo and Halo 2's button glitches.

Halo 2's button glitches do take skill to a certain degree, but it's still a damned glitch, like Agamemnon said. It's still a glitch that wasn't supposed to be in the game. I find that if people have to learn how to exploit all the bugs in a game just to keep up with the pace of other players, that's what I call a reason to stop playing the game. And there is no superbouncing in the first game, while there is in Halo 2, which can make a battle unfair.

In the first game however, I'm not going to say that the backpack reload is hard to do or that it takes skill. I'm going to admit to all of you that it is extremely simple to pull off a backpack/melee reload. You don't have to exploit these glitches, and I respect you if you choose not to, but I use them all the time. It is unfair. Let me say that again, it is unfair, and I suppose, even in fact, wrong, to do it. But there is a difference, and let me tell you why:

Compare the double melee in the first game to the BXR in Halo 2. They are both button glitches performed at close-range, and if executed well, is an instant-kill move. The difference, however, is that the BXR has less of a drawback than the double melee.

A BXR is not that hard to do, there are no drawbacks, nothing that will backfire if you execute it perfectly.

A double melee involves throwing a grenade to cancel a melee animation. This is a (pardon the pun) double-edged sword which can help you finish off your enemy if your melees do not deal enough damage, or it can end up blowing you up (whether or not before or after you kill your enemy).

I may be contradicting myself here, but I don't see button glitches any less unfair than Halo 2's glitches.

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Posted by: The_pwner
It is not an unfair advantage because everyone is capable of doing them but they take practice to do and therefore they can be considered a skill unlike modding and stand bying which do give you an unfair advantage.


well every one can modd so i guess thats fair right?

[Edited on 1/12/2007]

  • 01.12.2007 8:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: RidiculousX
When you do exploit glitches, it gives you an unfair advantage over non-glitchers, hence, the skill argument is not valid.

It is not an unfair advantage because everyone is capable of doing them but they take practice to do and therefore they can be considered a skill unlike modding and stand bying which do give you an unfair advantage.


Other than the fact that Modding in the context that i understand you, and stand by-ing are both Xbox related.

Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.

  • 01.12.2007 8:53 AM PDT

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If your asking if H2V will have glitches, I sure hope not.

  • 01.12.2007 11:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Posted by: The_pwner
Posted by: RidiculousX
When you do exploit glitches, it gives you an unfair advantage over non-glitchers, hence, the skill argument is not valid.

It is not an unfair advantage because everyone is capable of doing them but they take practice to do and therefore they can be considered a skill unlike modding and stand bying which do give you an unfair advantage.


Other than the fact that Modding in the context that i understand you, and stand by-ing are both Xbox related.

Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.
Thank you.

Oh, and I guess just because everybody's Xbox is connected to a modem, it's not unfair if people decide to stand-by by pressing the button on the modem. After all, anybody can do it!

  • 01.12.2007 1:48 PM PDT
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Sometimes it surprises me how ignorant some people are. PC mods have been like that since WAY WAY back before Xfire, and even GameSpy. Back in the days when MSN's Zone service was actually decent, and MPlayer was a strong community. Back even before Internet gaming in it's present form existed. Imagine trying to find a game through a serial connection...

[Edited on 1/12/2007]

  • 01.12.2007 2:04 PM PDT
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"Hey, if people on the Xbox cheat using mods, then I guess the term is also used in the same way on PCs and all other platforms as well!"

"Hey, if my Xbox can fly, eat a pizza, and play the guitar, doesn't that mean computers can too?"

  • 01.12.2007 2:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Master Kim
"Hey, if people on the Xbox cheat using mods, then I guess the term is also used in the same way on PCs and all other platforms as well!"

"Hey, if my Xbox can fly, eat a pizza, and play the guitar, doesn't that mean computers can too?"


Those are some prime examples of ignorance alright. Too bad more people weren't like this:

"Hey, is modding for a PC the same as modding an Xbox? I dunno, I better research that..."

I feel rather belligerent today. I kind of wish someone would try to break into my house so I have an excuse to beat the living hell out of someone.

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  • 01.12.2007 3:23 PM PDT

I wonder if the Wolf thinks the Moon listens when he howls at it.

Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Sometimes it surprises me how ignorant some people are. PC mods have been like that since WAY WAY back before Xfire, and even GameSpy. Back in the days when MSN's Zone service was actually decent, and MPlayer was a strong community. Back even before Internet gaming in it's present form existed. Imagine trying to find a game through a serial connection...
lol mplayer i remember playing Heavy Gear 2 online untill 6 oclock in the mornin but now its like it enver existed....

  • 01.12.2007 8:32 PM PDT
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Fair is defined as not exhibiting any bias, and therefore being impartial. People cannot say button combos are unfair when it they are available for everyone to use. But someone can say that it makes the game not fun and a reason to stop playing.
I would also like to point out that Bungie has legitimized button combos. If you do not believe me watch the MLG (Major League Gaming) in which the best Halo 2 players in the world compete for cash prizes and guess what they all use button combos. Since the show airs on TV MLG had to get Bungies permission to show Halo 2 and they had to allow button combos. In my opinion they add depth to the game and if they did not exist I probably would not have started playing Halo 2 again recently.
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Posted by: RidiculousX
When you do exploit glitches, it gives you an unfair advantage over non-glitchers, hence, the skill argument is not valid.

It is not an unfair advantage because everyone is capable of doing them but they take practice to do and therefore they can be considered a skill unlike modding and stand bying which do give you an unfair advantage.


Other than the fact that Modding in the context that i understand you, and stand by-ing are both Xbox related.

Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.
Thank you.

Oh, and I guess just because everybody's Xbox is connected to a modem, it's not unfair if people decide to stand-by by pressing the button on the modem. After all, anybody can do it!

Stand-bying is unfair because only the host is capable of doing it. If everyone could do it, the game would be fair but it would not be fun (at least in my opinion).
Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.

First off someone does not mod on the pc, they hack. In my experience, at least from playing counter strike, when I am playing a game with a hacker the server and the rest of the people playing do not have to have the same hacks running for someone’s hack to work.
Posted by: weninja21ninja21
ll every one can modd so i guess thats fair right?

NO it does not require any skill to use mods. Skill is defined as something that requires training and experience to do well. Button combos take hours of practice to use effectively while playing in a competitive situation (training and experience).

[Edited on 1/12/2007]

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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.

First off someone does not mod on the pc, they hack. In my experience, at least from playing counter strike, when I am playing a game with a hacker the server and the rest of the people playing do not have to have the same hacks running for someone’s hack to work.
Dude, you missed his point completely. He was saying how different the terms mods and cheating/hacking are from the Xbox and on the PC, and how it isn't called modding on the PC because that means all the players in the same game have to have that mod and the server must be compatible, as Obi Wan said. He was elaborating that the correct term was cheating or hacking.

Modding is expanding game content to further the game experience. Cheating or hacking is expanding game content to gain an unfair advantage over others.

  • 01.13.2007 5:48 AM PDT
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This is a dumb thread.

There should be no glitchs period. Even though backpack re-loading is convient and so is meele re0loading its not need.

Super bouncers are just -blam!-.. and things like BXR show your lack of skill becuase its bacically a cheat.

Thread Closed.

  • 01.13.2007 7:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: The_pwner
Fair is defined as not exhibiting any bias, and therefore being impartial. People cannot say button combos are unfair when it they are available for everyone to use. But someone can say that it makes the game not fun and a reason to stop playing.
I would also like to point out that Bungie has legitimized button combos. If you do not believe me watch the MLG (Major League Gaming) in which the best Halo 2 players in the world compete for cash prizes and guess what they all use button combos. Since the show airs on TV MLG had to get Bungies permission to show Halo 2 and they had to allow button combos. In my opinion they add depth to the game and if they did not exist I probably would not have started playing Halo 2 again recently.
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Posted by: RidiculousX
When you do exploit glitches, it gives you an unfair advantage over non-glitchers, hence, the skill argument is not valid.

It is not an unfair advantage because everyone is capable of doing them but they take practice to do and therefore they can be considered a skill unlike modding and stand bying which do give you an unfair advantage.


Other than the fact that Modding in the context that i understand you, and stand by-ing are both Xbox related.

Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.
Thank you.

Oh, and I guess just because everybody's Xbox is connected to a modem, it's not unfair if people decide to stand-by by pressing the button on the modem. After all, anybody can do it!

Stand-bying is unfair because only the host is capable of doing it. If everyone could do it, the game would be fair but it would not be fun (at least in my opinion).
Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.

First off someone does not mod on the pc, they hack. In my experience, at least from playing counter strike, when I am playing a game with a hacker the server and the rest of the people playing do not have to have the same hacks running for someone’s hack to work.
Posted by: weninja21ninja21
ll every one can modd so i guess thats fair right?

NO it does not require any skill to use mods. Skill is defined as something that requires training and experience to do well. Button combos take hours of practice to use effectively while playing in a competitive situation (training and experience).


So your point is, that if by some chance, a pro MLG player cheated on a match, the judges overlooked it, and he got away with it, does that mean cheating is now legal? Just because someone has a bigger title than someone else (ex: an NBA star > college basketball star), does not mean whatever they do is always the right thing.

And besides, MLG is an insult to sports everywhere. They actually made gaming a sport, so fat, lazy retards who still gets their 67 year old moms to wipe their ass for them after #2, can participate in a "non-physical sport".

  • 01.13.2007 9:04 AM PDT

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