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Subject: Will super bounces and or button combos be in Halo 2 for vista?
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Posted by: The_pwner
Fair is defined as not exhibiting any bias, and therefore being impartial. People cannot say button combos are unfair when it they are available for everyone to use. But someone can say that it makes the game not fun and a reason to stop playing.
I would also like to point out that Bungie has legitimized button combos. If you do not believe me watch the MLG (Major League Gaming) in which the best Halo 2 players in the world compete for cash prizes and guess what they all use button combos. Since the show airs on TV MLG had to get Bungies permission to show Halo 2 and they had to allow button combos. In my opinion they add depth to the game and if they did not exist I probably would not have started playing Halo 2 again recently.
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When you do exploit glitches, it gives you an unfair advantage over non-glitchers, hence, the skill argument is not valid.

It is not an unfair advantage because everyone is capable of doing them but they take practice to do and therefore they can be considered a skill unlike modding and stand bying which do give you an unfair advantage.


Other than the fact that Modding in the context that i understand you, and stand by-ing are both Xbox related.

Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.
Thank you.

Oh, and I guess just because everybody's Xbox is connected to a modem, it's not unfair if people decide to stand-by by pressing the button on the modem. After all, anybody can do it!

Stand-bying is unfair because only the host is capable of doing it. If everyone could do it, the game would be fair but it would not be fun (at least in my opinion).
Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.

First off someone does not mod on the pc, they hack. In my experience, at least from playing counter strike, when I am playing a game with a hacker the server and the rest of the people playing do not have to have the same hacks running for someone’s hack to work.
Posted by: weninja21ninja21
ll every one can modd so i guess thats fair right?

NO it does not require any skill to use mods. Skill is defined as something that requires training and experience to do well. Button combos take hours of practice to use effectively while playing in a competitive situation (training and experience).


That is very ignorant, do you now how much time and effort it takes to mod a game into a completely different thing. And also the example you gave.
COUNTER STRIKE IS A MOD IF HALF-LIFE.
So your calling the person who edited Half-Life's code to make the game a different experience is a hacker.
Being called a hacker is a complement to people on PC, I'm learning how to do memory hacks so I can different applications for programs, I'm learning how to make Dev trainers and also applying non-preset mods in game, such as biped swapping in game. I want to see you learn the entire BASIC language used to make those applications and say it doesn't take skill. It takes huge amounts of time to create offset lists of all the values halo has that you can use without corrupting it. Learning the programming languages takes weeks and sometimes months for people to grasp and can take even longer to learn all their applications.

Most of the people you call hacking in Counter Strike don't make their own programs to do things, they just leech off other people work so they can have an unfair advantage. Also button glitches take very little skill when some one is using a third-party controller with things like turbo mode and macro features. You don't even need to try to fire quickly with magnums or be able to do the combo, you just need to do it quickly a single time. At least get your facts straight next time you make a bad rant about something you don't know, glitches are bad they shouldn't be included in game. In games where their aren't glitches people just use things like gameshark to change a value so they won't lose.
In the first week I get Halo 2 Vista I will make an application that will allow me to swap into third person or be in the chase cam while you are still allowed. Most modders and hackers use their abilities for good and not evil, computer companies have people try to hack their programs when they are making a release candidate for a program, such as with Vista right now.
Now go away and don't come back to the Maw until you can make an unbiased post against people you don't know and about things that not everyone believes in right, MLG is only allowed to button glitch because they are not on XBOX LIVE, Bungie only has control over people in what they do in the area Bungie controls, Bungie does not control LAN, modding is allowed on LAN and that doesn't make it legal any where else on Halo 2.

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Posted by: The_pwner
Fair is defined as not exhibiting any bias, and therefore being impartial. People cannot say button combos are unfair when it they are available for everyone to use. But someone can say that it makes the game not fun and a reason to stop playing.
I would also like to point out that Bungie has legitimized button combos. If you do not believe me watch the MLG (Major League Gaming) in which the best Halo 2 players in the world compete for cash prizes and guess what they all use button combos. Since the show airs on TV MLG had to get Bungies permission to show Halo 2 and they had to allow button combos. In my opinion they add depth to the game and if they did not exist I probably would not have started playing Halo 2 again recently.
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Posted by: The_pwner
Posted by: RidiculousX
When you do exploit glitches, it gives you an unfair advantage over non-glitchers, hence, the skill argument is not valid.

It is not an unfair advantage because everyone is capable of doing them but they take practice to do and therefore they can be considered a skill unlike modding and stand bying which do give you an unfair advantage.


Other than the fact that Modding in the context that i understand you, and stand by-ing are both Xbox related.

Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.
Thank you.

Oh, and I guess just because everybody's Xbox is connected to a modem, it's not unfair if people decide to stand-by by pressing the button on the modem. After all, anybody can do it!

Stand-bying is unfair because only the host is capable of doing it. If everyone could do it, the game would be fair but it would not be fun (at least in my opinion).
Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Modding for PC is quite different than modding an xbox. If someone has a mod for a PC game that works in multiplayer, the server has to be compatable with it, and everyone on the server has to have that mod.

First off someone does not mod on the pc, they hack. In my experience, at least from playing counter strike, when I am playing a game with a hacker the server and the rest of the people playing do not have to have the same hacks running for someone’s hack to work.
Posted by: weninja21ninja21
ll every one can modd so i guess thats fair right?

NO it does not require any skill to use mods. Skill is defined as something that requires training and experience to do well. Button combos take hours of practice to use effectively while playing in a competitive situation (training and experience).


So your point is, that if by some chance, a pro MLG player cheated on a match, the judges overlooked it, and he got away with it, does that mean cheating is now legal? Just because someone has a bigger title than someone else (ex: an NBA star > college basketball star), does not mean whatever they do is always the right thing.

And besides, MLG is an insult to sports everywhere. They actually made gaming a sport, so fat, lazy retards who still gets their 67 year old moms to wipe their ass for them after #2, can participate in a "non-physical sport".
I would never, ever consider button glitching or superbouncing, or exploiting any bug in a game cheating. I might consider it to be unsportsmanlike, cheap, unfair, or a violation of unwritten rule depending on the severity or circumstances on which the glitch is and how it is being used, however. That is mostly the case with glitch exploiting here.

Oh, and by the way, Ipjuunin, your ignorance astounds me. If you had any idea of wtf you were talking about, you would realize that MLG is the furthest thing from your basement-loser-gamer stereotype. Your disrespect disgusts me.

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HEY LET'S RIDE THE QUOTE TRAIN!

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No, I think this time we should break down the quote pyramids.

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Subject: Will super bounces and/or button combos be in Halo 2 for Vista? Hel...
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There should be some glitches left in Halo 2, but nothing that can play a true role in combat, such as dead bodies getting stuck halfway into objects and terrain when they are beaten especially hard into them (Like with Sputnik active, I got a whole bunch of funny-as-Hell dead body poses out of that.). And the tank launch glitch, as that's nearly impossible with someone fighting you and can play absolutely no role in combat except for a painfully obvious trap. That doesn't even kill people, only takes off their shields.
"Hey, look! There's a tank on top of a flipped one! I'll go grab the one on top because I'm too lazy to flip the one under it."
The orbiting rocket glitch would be incredibly annoying if it occurred, but the chances of that happening are a million to one, and if the person driving the vehicle moved an inch, kaboom. I am on everyone else's side when I say that glitches that can give an unfair advantage should be taken out, even if it is miniscule or hard to pull off.

Posted by: Master Kim
No, I think this time we should break down the quote pyramids.

Agreed.

[Edited on 1/14/2007]

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I agree. I think the physics should be kept realistic: Nobody wants to see bodies falling through the floor warping off the edges of cliffs for no reason when the connection gets hectic.

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I think that button combos would be kind of stupid. I mean lets refer to halo 1 for pc and xbox. Melee for PC is kind of unresponsive. But melee for halo on the xbox is just a s responsive as halo 2 for xbox and thats pretty responsive so inturn you can do button combos such as BXR. But for Pc and can only guess that H2V will have the same unresponsive controls. So i think that button combos will just not be possible in H2v. Just like they weren't possible in Halo 1 for the PC.

  • 01.20.2007 11:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nessy
so then backpack reloading, melee reloading and pretty much half of the things we class as stuff that takes a touch of skill in halo 1 are also unskilled and unfair? Such as clicking with the pistol instead of holding the trigger.

That's correct, Nessy. Just because I'm a member at H2S doesn't mean I hold Halo 1 as the baby Jesus of FPS games. You'll find that I'm one of the few who complains both about Halo 1 and Halo 2 and how the pistol isn't the "ultimate equalizer."

  • 01.20.2007 12:00 PM PDT

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