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  • 01.12.2007 10:47 PM PDT
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I thought the point of those threads was to eliminate spam from people creating more threads about it. In the three optimatch ones' cases, they are playlists that are not going to comeback. I fail to see a reason to discuss those when they are not going to comeback. Those threads are there more to funnel those into some place so that you don't have a hundred topics about the same subject.

Creating new miniforums for them would create more work for the moderaters also. They would have three new forums to deal with instead of three easily managed threads. Jeremiah's work would be quadrupled.

  • 01.12.2007 11:06 PM PDT
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I have two qualms with such a system.

1) Would not this mean that you have the same replies, but now they are spread out amongst a forum? So rather than 1 thread with 500 replies, you have 20 threads with 25 replies each. Wouldn't it be just as hard to get discussion done, because now you have to go to all of these different places and write multiple posts? Wouldn't this mean more work for the people who want to discuss the topics, because now they have to visit multiple threads and write multiple posts, and the moderators, because now they have another forum to look over?

2) How many different legitimate topics can go on in a single thread that vary so much yet remain within the bounds of the original topic? If someone has something say about Clanmatch, or some playlist, or anything of the like, but it diverges from the main topic so much that it would turn the entire discussion in the dedicated thread around, shouldn't that topic simply be given its own thread to be discussed? Simply put, what could be said that differs so much from, say, "I want Clanmatch brought back," that could warrant its own thread?

  • 01.12.2007 11:11 PM PDT
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I looked through a few pages of the Clanmatch thread. I saw very few novel ideas, a lot of petty arguments, and a lot of "I hate this" or "this sucks." And there were plenty of conversations going on between the members. Any ideas I saw were discussed, and then the conversations were dropped. The posts that were ignored were often generic ones, like "dude this sux cuz I love clanmatch" or "clanmatch is gone becuz less than 2% of ppl playd it." Is there really so much that a sub-forum can be justified?

  • 01.13.2007 12:00 AM PDT

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I thought the point of those threads was to eliminate spam from people creating more threads about it. In the three optimatch ones' cases, they are playlists that are not going to comeback. I fail to see a reason to discuss those when they are not going to comeback. Those threads are there more to funnel those into some place so that you don't have a hundred topics about the same subject.

Creating new miniforums for them would create more work for the moderaters also. They would have three new forums to deal with instead of three easily managed threads. Jeremiah's work would be quadrupled.


The reason they are condinsed into 3 threads is so that they wont clutter up optimatch. If they were made into sub-forums they wouldnt clutter optimatch and discussion would be more easily facilitated. I also see that spam in this forum wouldnt really be a problem because they wouldnt be heavily targeted and as such they wouldnt be a spam target. Also, they could appoint a few people to watch over this sub forum to help out the mods.


The three threads don't clutter optimatch at all, they are just in three, individual threads. And, it would still be spammed by the people who make idiotic posts, as Mabian stated. And, I highly doubt the mods would "appoint" people to watch over the thread, because, that is essentially what they want everyone to do. If you see a spammer or a bad thread anywhere, the moderators want us to PM them with a link to the thread. As not many people do it now, what makes you think it would be better your way?

  • 01.13.2007 4:36 AM PDT

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Ok. I understand now. But, I am going to assume that doing what you said would take up a lot of time of the web team. I may be wrong however. But, if it does take up a lot of time, it would be a pretty big waste of time, for there is no URGENT need for it.

  • 01.13.2007 2:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Logical Thinking
Mabian, I understand what you mean, but you must realize that the thread has been there for quite some time, as such there are very few new or original ideas being discussed. As such, most of the discussions in there are between the very small groups who check EVERY page, and the few people who happened to post in there and see an idea.


Now we may be experiencing a breakdown of communication, but isn't that a good thing? People are discussing what they see as important after taking careful time to understand what has been previously said. So doesn't that mean that people are discussing ideas in a respectful manner, like you want? Or are you saying that these discussions are weighted down by people stating their anger at the removal of the playlist.

As for the difficulties of moderating it, I think that threads that are simply about bringing back the exact same clanmatches without any variation should be limited to one main thread, but new ideas should be allowed to have their own thread. A small tolerance policy for people would quickly make this forum get in line and the problems would be far smaller then those found in other areas where more headway is given.

A fair idea. However, how about rather than letting every member with a plan shout his idea, you concentrate on 3 or 4 threads that are made by other members that each have a different idea contained therein. If the plan this particular member is giving happens to coincide very much with a previously made plan, you show said member to the thread, even if the plan doesn't perfectly coincide with the plan in the thread. Thus, the forum is kept clean, and people can give their ideas in different threads. If people have ideas that are only slightly different, they can discuss the ideas and try to come to an agreement. If their ideas vary so much that they do not fit in with the other ideas, then you let the thread stay, and you have a new dedicated thread. Did I get all that down correctly?

  • 01.13.2007 2:41 PM PDT

pillage is bad, his drama is sad. Who would be a drama queen, really get a life... Your wrists are all red, put down that knife. Now you are leaving... Good job BK, i see you can take a hint. hopefully you make this absence a permanent stint. I was just having fun, and you took it the wrong way... but god damm boy, you really did act g@y.

i agree. if i go into optimatch, i see many locked threads on the first page of the optimatch forum, and they are generally "bring back clanmatch/head to head" etc. making a sub forum would probablly elimate some of that spam

  • 01.13.2007 6:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Logical Thinking
I was saying that me and roman had a breakdown because he didnt understand what I was trying to say...


Re-read what you said, and then re-read my response. Hopefully you'll understand what I meant. I understood everything perfectly. Don't worry.

I figured this would just happen naturally, and that the people who were shouting out random garbage would simply have their threads fall back due to a lack of usage. You can go with that method of working it out, but I figure that much customization would make it to hard to work with and it might just stifle new and original ideas.

If we let all of the ideas get their own thread, then you just have multiple threads discussing the same general ideas, but with tiny variants. If something is truly new and original, wouldn't it be so different from everything else that it would warrant its own thread in the plan I gave anyways? And it wouldn't be much more work, because you simply lock threads and point the creator to the appropriate idea thread. Unless the idea is so different that it doesn't belong in those threads, in which case you just let it be.

This is generally what happens in the optimatch forum, so no problem at all here, there is simply quite a few variations on how to bring it back, how to correct the problems, etc.

Do the ideas vary enough that they deserve their own thread? I have read through 10 pages total in that thread, and through all of them I only found 4 people with a solution. And that solution was the same each time. I'm still not seeing any particularly novel ideas, let alone enough that would warrant the making of a sub-forum.

IDK if you would want this in a sub forum or not, but I would strongly suggest it in a sub forum, because 5 extra dedicated threads for clanmatch, a couple for swat, etc. would add up and become a problem.

More than a sub-forum for clanmatch, a sub-forum for Swat, etc.? Considering that there are so many locked threads, would there really be anything terribly important pushed down? Are there even that many varying ideas?

  • 01.13.2007 10:14 PM PDT

Fight hard, break bones >{o

how about when you find a good thread you just bookmark it. then you wont have to even visit the forum to search.

personally i think the public threads are just a waste, but occasionally really good ideas are made and they get stickied. so whats the problem?

  • 01.13.2007 11:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Logical Thinking
I am saying, allow ALL of these threads to be collected into one subforum. This would allow all of these smaller groups of ideas to be discussed, and their number would be significant enough to warrant a sub forum. The ideas for clanmatches alone vary pretty widely. Some people want majors and minors, some 1 of the two, some want a 4v4 only list with MLG only games, some want clanmatches to have varied numbers of allowable people, with each individuals wins and loses contributing to the overall rank of the clan. Some want new clans to only be able to start playing games a certain number of days after being made to stop people from just randomly making new clans for easy games. The list goes on and on.


1. Major, minor, or both?
2. MLG 4v4.
3. How many people should be allowed per clanmatch playlist?
4. Changing clan privileges.

Though I don't understand the thing about "individuals wins and losses contributing to the overall rank of the clan." But that's still only four or five ideas. And I could combine 1 and 3 into one big question that wouldn't take long to answer. Discussion can easily take place within a single thread. Plenty of discussion has taken place in the current Clanmatch thread, so why can't the topics be focused and spread out? Now you won't have people complaining about the removal of the playlist, nor will people be arguing over why it should have/should not have been removed. Plus there won't be any petty arguments. That's 90% of the replies in the Clanmatch thread, right? And now you only have the 10%, the people who have ideas and want to discuss them.

  • 01.13.2007 11:52 PM PDT

Fight hard, break bones >{o

whether or not i have any idea what the hell you guys are talking about, isnt this why Groups exist?

i know its hard to get a lot of people into a group and to keep it active, but wouldnt that allow you to keep out non-related threads and help discusions?

  • 01.14.2007 12:25 AM PDT

Posted by: Logical Thinking
Changes to MM is usually the goal of any discussion found in optimatch, and those changes dont occur based on discussions that N0F wouldnt be present in, due to the closed nature of groups
If you check Jeremiah's Group list, you will see he created a Group called "Optimatch". The conversation is much more civil there, and believe it or not, Jeremiah does read the threads.

In my opinion, there is no need to make a sub forum for a total of 7 threads. I think you're a bit too lazy to actually read through the most recent posts in a thread before actually typing up your own post.

Achronos and the Web team shouldn't have to do extra work on the Forums due to the laziness of people, who as you say don't check the recent posts. A person who is committed to a certain topic or thread will read through the posts, so when he posts, he doesn't seem like an idiot and bring up an idea which has already been accepted or declined.

People who don't follow the thread and don't read recent posts usually just make their one post before heading off onto another thread, completely forgetting about what they just did 5 minutes later.

There's my input.

  • 01.14.2007 3:01 AM PDT

Posted by: Logical Thinking
It, the last time I checked, wasnt an open group or was very inactive, I forget which.
The fact that it's still there should stand as proof that Jeremiah still has a use for it. The reason for it being closed is so it isn't over run with spammers and haters from the public version, allowing simpler conversation.

When there are about 40 posts a day it gets hard and very few people will join into the conversation, so new input is hard to find.So, there's 40 posts a day, yet very few people join in on the conversation? Er... alright.

They can check recent posts, but if you dont come on for 1 or 2 days, there will be 5 new pages and it is very difficult. Also, please stop using the word lazy as it improperly describes the situation. Anyways, I have already said that if it was a lot of work they shouldnt do it, but if it was a small ammount of work they should do it. Also, when you say that the idea has been accepted or declined you are wrong again. Swat is one of those topics... is it accepted or declined? Why read through 5 pages of 2 day old posts? Someone with any logic at all would simply go back and read the most recent posts, for example, the last one or two pages. Or at least skim through the most recent posts to at least get an idea of what people are conversing on.

On the topic of SWAT: SWAT is one of those playlists which is hated by many and is loved by many more. The thread dedicated to SWAT can be familiarised as a debate. When I said "accepted or declined" I was speaking simplistically. Remember, we're talking about the addition of a new sub form, not SWAT itself. Maybe I should have instead typed "he doesn't seem like an idiot and bring up an idea which has already been gone over".

OK, and that adds to the posts that clog the thread. The thread is so clogged that things no longer work.Well, thankyou for flaming my post. You are talented in subtlety.

  • 01.14.2007 10:13 AM PDT

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