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Bungie the MA5C is art in the making. The awesome balance of it there was nothing like pumping your enimeies full of lead...but it got old after 40rounds and they still aint down. With this you give us respectable power that can destroy with a reasonable number of rounds. I cant wait til I can use it.

  • 01.18.2007 7:13 AM PDT
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Yah assault Rifle... but where did 60 rounds per round*cough* .

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  • 01.18.2007 7:28 AM PDT
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i really do love these little mini updates, most have been more interesting than the actual weekly updates.

sweet job bungie. love'n it. keep them coming with the different weapons, maybe next a covenant or brute one???

  • 01.18.2007 7:30 AM PDT

For every action, there is an equal and opposite airstrike.

The combos listed are pretty effective to say the least.

Actually, a team leader should force each and every subordinate to carry an AR with them at all times, they won't be caught out then when the enemy takes advantage of the lack of a spam attack from you.

  • 01.18.2007 8:17 AM PDT

For every action, there is an equal and opposite airstrike.

Posted by: Lt Razak
Yah assault Rifle... but where did 60 rounds per round*cough* .


Bullets are twice as big.

That's where they went.

  • 01.18.2007 8:18 AM PDT

Well, that's shown me the more inconspicuous differences between both rifles. I am so glad that the Assault Rifle is back in business, I missed that baby!

  • 01.18.2007 8:18 AM PDT
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I think the next mini-update will be a vechile.Maybe it will go vec wep vec wep and so on.
Also I hop there will be a spartan laser profile cause i cant wait to use the baby!

  • 01.18.2007 8:25 AM PDT
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This game is ready to launch a demo version this feb....why is it coming out durning the holiday sales of 2007. I need halo 3 now!

  • 01.18.2007 8:27 AM PDT
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great love it except for (they always do this) they ruined the ammo clip ONCE AGAIN!

  • 01.18.2007 9:01 AM PDT

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  • 01.18.2007 9:25 AM PDT
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Here is a comparison of the MA5B and MA5C

Ammo Capacity:
MA5B: 60 rounds per clip, 600 maximum capacity
MA5C: 32 rounds per clip, maximum capacity unknown
Rate of Fire:
MA5B: 900 rounds per minute (15 rounds per second)
MA5C: 750-900 rounds per minute (12.5 to 15 rounds per second)

Apparently, automatic fire of the MA5C will exhaust the clip in something like 2.5 to 3 seconds. Likely bungie is doing this to discourage spraying and praying, as that reload time could be very painful.

  • 01.18.2007 9:33 AM PDT
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Me = Heart Bungie :)


Yay Assault Rifle :)

  • 01.18.2007 9:52 AM PDT
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To clear up a couple of technical issues.

900 rpm is wicked quick for an assault rifle, certainly one firing 30 cal ammo.

7.62x51 is 308 winchester, basically a shortened 30-06. It is used in the m14 rifle currently being fielded by some us spec-war troops. This gun uses a 20 rd mag, 32 rounds of 308 starts to get heavy.

The 1 in 7 twist made me blink, that's sufficient to stabilize a 30cal 300 gr lead slug, possibly 250 gr with a steel penetrator, or 330 gr using tungsten carbide. Any of these bullets at 2970 fps is far beyond what the 308 can currently achive, so we'll assume they have much better propellents 500 years from now.

That said, shooting any of these bullets out of a 8.5 lb rifle would be like getting hit with a baseball bat. Even accurate semiauto fire would next to impossible.

  • 01.18.2007 9:56 AM PDT
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I hate to be the one who has to point this out but it seems like the statistics in the artical are a little out of wack. I realize that the gun isn't real and that its only a minor point, but when you compair it to actual weapons...

MA5C Individual Combat Weapon System

Length (o/a): 880 mm (34.6 in.)
Length (barrel): 607 mm (24 in.)
Weight (empty): 3.8 kg (8.378 lbs)
Weight (loaded): 4.1 kg (9.05 lbs)
Cartridge: 7.62mm x 51 FMJ
Max. effective range: 300 meters (984 ft)
Muzzle velocity: 905 m/s (2970 f/s)
Magazine capacity: 32 rounds
Rate of fire: 750 – 900 rnds/min

Heckler & Koch G3

Length (o/a): 1,026 mm (40.4 in)
Length (barrel): 450 mm (17.7 in)
Weight (empty): 4.41 kg (9.7 lbs.)
Weight (loaded): N / A
Cartridge: 7.62mm x 51 NATO
Max. effective range: 500 m (546 yd)
Muzzle velocity: 790 m/s (2,600 ft/s)
Magazine capacity: 20
Rate of fire: 600 round/min

I realize that this isn't an ideal comparison between the two rifles, I just want to point out that some of the statistics are off...

for more info on the HK G3
info about 7.62 X 51mm NATO round and a list of weapons that use it
list of assault rifles

  • 01.18.2007 10:08 AM PDT
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Reaper, what stats did you have a problem with?

  • 01.18.2007 10:15 AM PDT

Damn you roor!

"Rate of fire: 750 – 900 rnds/min"

Why is there a range? What did I miss? Thanks.

  • 01.18.2007 10:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: Jon_Ghast
Reaper, what stats did you have a problem with?

Mainly the Muzzle velocity and the effective range of the two rifles. there is a significant difference in those two stats. Even though they are firing the same ammo. The MA5C has a greater muzzle velocity than the G3 but, has a shorter effective range, which to me seems counter-intuitive. Wouldn't a higher muzzle velocity produce a better range?

  • 01.18.2007 10:25 AM PDT

Ach! Was ist los?

Master McLees needs to finish his homework.

The MA5C is a main battle rifle, not an assault rifle. Its effective range is too low, given the barrel length and muzzle velocity, unless the stats are taking into account the fact that it doesn't have any proper sights. And most importantly, a clip is not the same thing as a magazine. The MA5C uses magazines, not clips.

For someone who is supposed to be Bungie's resident gun nut, I'm surprised he doesn't know this stuff by now.

  • 01.18.2007 10:26 AM PDT
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They fire the same caliber, inside a caliber ammo specs can vary drastically.

The AR gun has a significantly longer barrel, 17 in is a short barrel for a 308.
The longer barrel gives more velocity.

Max effective range is about how likely you are to hit a target at that range, the G3 might simply be more accurate.

Far more goes into ranges than muzzle velocity.

  • 01.18.2007 10:35 AM PDT

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  • 01.18.2007 10:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: Jablonzo
"Rate of fire: 750 – 900 rnds/min"

Why is there a range? What did I miss? Thanks.



In the real world there are lots of reasons a gun might have a variable rate of fire: ammo selection, clean vs. dirty gun, ect.

I don't know why the AR would have a range, it's a video game.

  • 01.18.2007 10:44 AM PDT
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REMF.

In the rear with the gear.

  • 01.18.2007 10:46 AM PDT
Subject: MA5C Assault Rifle - Compass

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Did anyone else catch the mention of a compass being built into the AR's electronics suite? I would rather that the compass heading be built into the Chief's armor instead of in the AR.... that way I won't need to carry around a AR to find my way.

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  • 01.18.2007 10:49 AM PDT