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Subject: Thoughts on community interaction and how it's changed.
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The Marty Army

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Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: Achronos
Part of the reason some the rest of the site seems a bit... stagnant... is because of a certain, uh... change... that is being made to the base content system of the site. It limits the flexibility of the content guys. Once that limitation is removed, well, things should get a bit better.

You'll know it when you see it. Hopefully it will be live in the next month or two.


*Achronos casts Moral-Boosting Rain on the party*
*+5 to moral*

LEVEL UP!

  • 01.29.2007 12:45 PM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

Posted by: WhiteRaven119
Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: Achronos
Part of the reason some the rest of the site seems a bit... stagnant... is because of a certain, uh... change... that is being made to the base content system of the site. It limits the flexibility of the content guys. Once that limitation is removed, well, things should get a bit better.

You'll know it when you see it. Hopefully it will be live in the next month or two.


*Achronos casts Moral-Boosting Rain on the party*
*+5 to moral*

LEVEL UP!

+3 to Stamina, +4 to MP, and +2 to intellectual debate.

  • 01.29.2007 12:52 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Yeah...Achronos gives the "silver lining", but I still think there are tons of things that could be done by the community to bring back some interest. Bathroom reader was a good idea...it just needs to be followed through on. How about KP picks a random Normie to interview, and not just the Mods or SuperUsers. How about a Humpday challenge with a good group of Normies, and not some repetitive Halo 3 *classified* game with Alpha people. How about some interaction amoung us Normies other than flaming each other on the forums (which even myself am prone to do). How about something that resurrects the Classifieds into something that is useful.

Who knows what this place could be, but we are the ones that have to do it. We aren't going to get a pat on the back from Bungie, but that doesn't mean it is not worth the effort. I mean look at the program that KD wrote (stickied at the top of this forum). He did that without any incentive from Bungie, and I think it is hugely helpful. It revolutionalized how some of us use the forums. And he did it all on his own.

~B.B.

  • 01.29.2007 12:59 PM PDT
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So the new hotness is getting canned?

Took long enough.

  • 01.29.2007 1:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: elmicker
So the new hotness is getting canned?

Took long enough.

:O!

And, if I may interject my little thought here:

Bungie needs community members who can help the community team with community stuff. I volunteer.

  • 01.29.2007 1:35 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Community stuff like what? Things like Weekly Updates and Humpdays?

  • 01.29.2007 2:32 PM PDT

Posted by: WhiteRaven119
Bungie needs community members who can help the community team with community stuff. I volunteer.

I'll take a coffee with irish cream, thanks.

  • 01.29.2007 2:55 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

Posted by: Jeremiah
Posted by: WhiteRaven119
Bungie needs community members who can help the community team with community stuff. I volunteer.

I'll take a coffee with irish cream, thanks.

Me too please!

  • 01.29.2007 2:56 PM PDT
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Ah, look at the lonely people...

Two coffees, here you go!

And, community stuff as in spotlighting community members, stuff like that that KPaul and Frankie would normally do when they're not busy. We obviously can't do Humpdays because the point of those are to play against Bungie. :P

[Edited on 1/29/2007]

  • 01.29.2007 3:22 PM PDT

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  • 01.29.2007 3:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: SgtSTFU
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Yes! And that kind of stuff. Stuff just to keep the community on it's toes. :D

  • 01.29.2007 3:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jeremiah
Posted by: WhiteRaven119
Bungie needs community members who can help the community team with community stuff. I volunteer.

I'll take a coffee with irish cream, thanks.



You'll get a tall glass of too bad and like it. I'm not paying shipping charges to give you coffee that is worse than the Starbucks right down the street- you'll forgive me.

On a lighter, less evil note, I hope Achronos is telling the tu7h, and that we can expect changes around the bend.

  • 01.29.2007 3:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Anton P Nym
So, (in my best Sean Connery voice) what are you prepared to do?

-- Steve thinks the biggest problem is not the activity of "bad" fans, but the passivity of "good" fans.

Since JFK wasn't Canadian, I guess that you might not know of his phrase (though I am sure that you do).

"Ask not what the Bungie fan community has done for you....."

Far better than, "“Ich bein ein Bungiener."

Lawl bad German. Oh, well. The idea behind it was good.

  • 01.29.2007 4:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
"Ask not what the Bungie fan community has done for you....."

...but what you can do for the Bungie fan community. Yes, yes. I'm pretty much willing to try to do anything to help out. Anyone got any project they need help with, community-wise, I'm up for it.

  • 01.29.2007 5:34 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Heh.

You have NO idea. <evil grin>

Posted by: Rainman89
On a lighter, less evil note, I hope Achronos is telling the tu7h, and that we can expect changes around the bend.

  • 01.29.2007 5:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Heh.

You have NO idea. <evil grin>

Posted by: Rainman89
On a lighter, less evil note, I hope Achronos is telling the tu7h, and that we can expect changes around the bend.

:O!

Also, Rainman, you spelled tru7h wrong. To the pit with ye!

  • 01.29.2007 5:53 PM PDT

I'm not that active, but never dead.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Since JFK wasn't Canadian, I guess that you might not know of his phrase (though I am sure that you do).
"Ask not what the Bungie fan community has done for you....."
Far better than, "“Ich bein ein Bungiener."


I think a better saying would be:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of spammers is for good members to do nothing."

My apologies to Edmund Burke.

-Alex ;)

  • 01.29.2007 6:06 PM PDT
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My thoughts on the community interaction is thus (as per each forum I visit).

Septagon - Generally good community, but afraid to speak up on certain matters/speak their minds, and are really bad at listening to someone else's opinions if it goes against what they think Bungie think. Some matters (one that comes to mind for me is the Beta Enlistment farce) couldn't be discussed I felt in an adult manner due to people just slamming those with a problem with it, calling them 'immature'. It's the only real time I can remember getting angry with the forums and I realise that because of it, I was a bit of an arse, but if people actually came back with a good argument rather than turning the thread into a "you're an immature wuss, now allow to stick my proverbial chest out infront of the admins!", then there wouldn't have been any problems. Some of you need to take a good look at what you do in certain threads. While you get away with this behaviour, it can ruin some good threads here in the Septagon, which I feel is a shame. To put it into a colourful perspective (which I always do), if the Septagon where a farm, 98% of you would be sheep, 1.5% would be cattle (getting milked), and 0.5% would be Wolves.


Halo 3 - My view here is the same as it was for New Mombasa about 2 and a half years ago. Leave it be. It keeps all the idiots/brainless zombies/little kids etc etc, in one place. That is what seems to be happening anyway with some light Moderation here and there (repeated threads). If I want to discuss Halo 3, I go to my favourite chapter to talk about it, not out in public. This benefits me in the sense of I can state my opinions freely, get real opinions back, and also have fun calling people all sorts of names before joining them on Live for F&F.

The Flood - A real mix. Sometimes, an occasional good thread will start, and within minutes be overrun with 12-year old children proclaiming themselves as 'King and Queen of the Flood!' I see it as ridiculous, especially as I remember a time when the flood was (for a shortwhile atleast) so 'grown up' (not mature!), I made a Star Trek thread in there enquiring as to people's favourite ship-type, poll and all, and actually felt so embarrassed that I PM'd Shishka asking could he please lock it.
Of course he replied with 'No, but I hope this'll be a lesson to you', or something along those lines.

But to sum up, the community as a whole isn't bad at all. The lower minions can be found in the Halo 3 and Flood forums, the middle minions (those who think that by being 'humerous within Bungie limits' in septagon posts can one day attain them modship) can be mostly found in the Septagon and Underground forums, and the ones who enjoy good discussion, a good joke, and calling each other arseholes because they've known each other since early 2004, well they're to be found in the private groups etc.

That's just my opinion though.

  • 01.29.2007 6:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Anton P Nym
So, (in my best Sean Connery voice) what are you prepared to do?

-- Steve thinks the biggest problem is not the activity of "bad" fans, but the passivity of "good" fans.

Since JFK wasn't Canadian, I guess that you might not know of his phrase (though I am sure that you do).

"Ask not what the Bungie fan community has done for you....."

Far better than, "“Ich bein ein Bungiener."


JFK knew there would be a video game company named Bungie in the future and put it in his famous speech? Spooky.

  • 01.29.2007 6:46 PM PDT

(random yet funny signature goes here)

So wait..could it be....did Achronos actually give us a real time, not just the Soon™? Wow....I'm scared...hold me.

  • 01.29.2007 7:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Shishka
You want to know what it'd be like to have no moderators on this site? Try this easy to prepare simulation.
Step 1: Procure yourself an intact box, something a fridge or similarly large appliance.
Step 2: Fill cardboard box halfway with feral cats. One or two should be rabid.
Step 3: Climb inside the box, closing the top behind you.
Step 4: Begin screaming and thrashing wildly at the cats.

Posted by: Achronos
Heh.

You have NO idea. <evil grin>

Posted by: Rainman89
On a lighter, less evil note, I hope Achronos is telling the tu7h, and that we can expect changes around the bend.


I hope so...I really do. We keep hearing about all these changes "around the bend" and then just when we think they will happen we get a "Soon, kthnxbai".

[Edited on 1/29/2007]

  • 01.29.2007 7:39 PM PDT
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I'm writing fairly quickly, have skimmed over all of the posts in this thread, and am a bit woozy after classes. Bear with me.

The "community" is too hard to define because of the fact that there are so many people who are diametrically opposed. I've constantly seen the Septagon as the "community," or the best example of it at least, because it was the one that seemed to be mostly composed of people interested in Bungie, the site, the "community," or any combination of the three.

I would agree that the community, remembering the definition I have given, is beginning to deteriorate. However, I feel that it is a bit of a stage, and things will pick up. However, I think Nedus and Anton were right in saying that the deterioration is caused by the community itself, and only the community can fix the problems.

I am going to say that the causes of this deterioration are three-fold:

1) Division- There exist many groups of people that have split themselves over certain issues. What those issues are, I'm sure everyone has at least a vague idea. These factions are, for the most part, uninterested in interacting because they disagree so much.

2) Discussion- Some people only care about certain topics, and don't like to make topics of their own. Thus, some people either don't like the constant chattering about inane subjects, like, say, who got in the Halo 3 beta. Other people seek a discussion they can contribute to, and so many topics are simple questions that would be pointless to try to make additions, because the question has been answered. Thus, the topics are rather...boring. After all, the hottest topic in the Septagon right now, and oddly enough, practically the hottest topics to ever hit, is about the deterioration of the community on Bungie.net.

By the way, by "other people," I meant me.

3) Retreat- Where do you go when the forums are full of inane chatter and boring topics? Groups! Of course, not everyone runs off, but enough.

  • 01.29.2007 7:39 PM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

Posted by: Mabian
I'm writing fairly quickly, have skimmed over all of the posts in this thread, and am a bit woozy after classes. Bear with me.

The "community" is too hard to define because of the fact that there are so many people who are diametrically opposed. I've constantly seen the Septagon as the "community," or the best example of it at least, because it was the one that seemed to be mostly composed of people interested in Bungie, the site, the "community," or any combination of the three.

I would agree that the community, remembering the definition I have given, is beginning to deteriorate. However, I feel that it is a bit of a stage, and things will pick up. However, I think Nedus and Anton were right in saying that the deterioration is caused by the community itself, and only the community can fix the problems.

I am going to say that the causes of this deterioration are three-fold:

1) Division- There exist many groups of people that have split themselves over certain issues. What those issues are, I'm sure everyone has at least a vague idea. These factions are, for the most part, uninterested in interacting because they disagree so much.

2) Discussion- Some people only care about certain topics, and don't like to make topics of their own. Thus, some people either don't like the constant chattering about inane subjects, like, say, who got in the Halo 3 beta. Other people seek a discussion they can contribute to, and so many topics are simple questions that would be pointless to try to make additions, because the question has been answered. Thus, the topics are rather...boring. After all, the hottest topic in the Septagon right now, and oddly enough, practically the hottest topics to ever hit, is about the deterioration of the community on Bungie.net.

By the way, by "other people," I meant me.

3) Retreat- Where do you go when the forums are full of inane chatter and boring topics? Groups! Of course, not everyone runs off, but enough.


How has this guy not been made mod?

I think that covers a great deal of the current psyche of posters. Considering many lack the energy for large projects, the easiest thing that many can do is show support by contributing to the forums. But why contribute when it will feel wasted and unappreciated? Why prattle on about something your not passionate about?

I know this is the third time I've said this, but bear with me: This requires more thought to find an answer.

  • 01.29.2007 7:52 PM PDT

Posted by: Shishka
You want to know what it'd be like to have no moderators on this site? Try this easy to prepare simulation.
Step 1: Procure yourself an intact box, something a fridge or similarly large appliance.
Step 2: Fill cardboard box halfway with feral cats. One or two should be rabid.
Step 3: Climb inside the box, closing the top behind you.
Step 4: Begin screaming and thrashing wildly at the cats.

I am starting to think about ideas for the community and right now I am mulling over a sort of group interaction feature. I think a great way to help the community as is, is to start building bridges between groups and giving more features to groups.

And I don't mean solely Bungie.net groups. If we can get fansites to start coming together we can form a solid community with which to build from.

  • 01.29.2007 7:56 PM PDT

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