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Ipjuunin, would you shut the -blam!- up for 5 minutes so Curtain can explain without you biting his head off? Good god, you call me a jerk and an -blam!- for flaming you for your opinion. And yet you go and do it to other people. Do you know what that's called? If you said hypocrisy then you get a cookie.

And why are you freaking out over this anyways? It's pathetic. Honestly. Thnikaman really should save his money and buy a new motherboard and a nice video card. It's common sense and logical to wait for a bit and see if there's a better deal out there.

However your logic seems to be seriously flawed. And your sense is about as common as a purple albino. Pull your head from your ass for five minutes and stop attacking him.

Oh, and if this post offends you...GOOD. Don't dish it if you can take it. Now go cry somewhere. I've had it with your hypocritical, two-faced attitude.

[Edited on 2/8/2007]

  • 02.08.2007 3:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: Iron Curtain
A PCI-E x16 motherboard is "extreme"?



Compared to a mobo without even an AGP slot? I'd be surprised if he didn't have to overhaul his entire system. There is nothing wrong with being proud of a 6200. It may not be as fast, or as up to date as your 7900, but I'm sure it gets the job done. I'm sure my system, with a 7600GT can do everything yours can. Yeah, I could buy the top of the line card and be happy, but I could also but a card that will get my by.

And besides, he doesn't need anything fancy to play HaloPC. Even if he was trying to "future proof" himself, I wouldn't buy a graphics card right now. Even when the 8600 Ultra comes out I think it might be a better idea to wait for the next gen.

not taking sides, just my 2 cents

  • 02.08.2007 3:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Ipjuunin, would you shut the -blam!- up for 5 minutes so Curtain can explain without you biting his head off? Good god, you call me a jerk and an -blam!- for flaming you for your opinion. And yet you go and do it to other people. Do you know what that's called? If you said hypocrisy then you get a cookie.

And why are you freaking out over this anyways? It's pathetic. Honestly. Thnikaman really should save his money and buy a new motherboard and a nice video card. It's common sense and logical to wait for a bit and see if there's a better deal out there.

However your logic seems to be seriously flawed. And your sense is about as common as a purple albino. Pull your head from your ass for five minutes and stop attacking him.

Oh, and if this post offends you...GOOD. Don't dish it if you can take it. Now go cry somewhere. I've had it with your hypocritical, two-faced attitude.


I just tell everyone to shut up about the whole mobo deal, that he's already paying enough, yet you call me hypocritical? I'm just helping him out, I remember how it felt when everyone told me to stop being ignorant and buy a new mobo. I didn't want things like that happening to anyone else experiencing graphics problems/about to buy a new graphics card.

And yes, you are a jerk. If I compared you with Master Kim and Nessy, they would be freakin' guardian angels. You call me a hypocritical two faced jerk, yet you don't realize that ANY of your posts you have written since forever in the Maw is no help at all, it's always constant flaming, and if not flaming, it's some kind of an insult. Call me a hypocrite if you like, but just know you're the least helpful jerk in this whole forums.

And also, you tell me to shut up for five minutes. Every post you write, makes you deserve the same punishment. So why don't you shut the hell up, and get off my case.

[Edited on 2/8/2007]

  • 02.08.2007 3:55 PM PDT
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Please guys stop it, everyone knows that PCI is much slower then AGP and PCI-e x16. I am probably not going to end up getting a computer or motherboard with PCI-e x16 slots for awhile. I am decently happy using a Radeon 9250 at 640x480 at 40 fps :( compared to running it in fixed function on my integrated and getting 10 fps. I still prefer my fathers computer with its Radeon x800XT. I am just going to be patient.

  • 02.08.2007 4:26 PM PDT
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So the friend that you're buying a graphics card from is telling you that PCI cards are slower than the rest of the slots? Seems like a friendly warning/some helpful advice ;).

A Motherboard upgrade isn't necessary if the only game you mean to play is Halo PC. If you want to play other games, such as Battlefield 2, AoE 3, or FEAR, then you should seriously consider saving up and upgrading to a PCI-Express Motherboard. Could even find one that matches your current socket so you won't have to upgrade your CPU and RAM (although you may want to anyway).

Tell us what Graphic Card it is and how much it costs =).

  • 02.08.2007 4:52 PM PDT
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Dude, you know it's just much better off saving up money for a better system rather than just needlessly splurging on a lower-end card. It's not like we were insulting DJ for having a low-end PC. You need to calm the hell down.

  • 02.08.2007 5:15 PM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

I waited patiently rather than jumping on the PCI card. I now have a GeForce 7600 GT and I am glad I waited.

The PCI slot for gaming is obsolete, period. Sure, we can argue that it's faster than integrated, but on paper, we all know that is not true. The Radeon Xpress 200 is just a Radeon 9500 chip on the motherboard, complete with Shaders and everything. However, with the right processor, this thing can score higher than a Radeon 9250 in benchmark tests. To put it bluntly, PCI cards are no longer worth it, not even for Halo.

You can always argue that he doesn't need eye candy, but any card that cannot run Halo at it's default is obsolete. I understand that he may not want to spend the extra money, but saving is his only other option.

I don't want to see any more conflict here, either. It's no good to fight online. Especially over someone else's problem.

  • 02.08.2007 8:43 PM PDT
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wait, save up, get a core 2 duo, a 965p mobo a pci-e card, and some nice 667/800mhz ram.

  • 02.09.2007 7:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nessy
wait, save up, get a core 2 duo, a 965p mobo a pci-e card, and some nice 667/800mhz ram.


I doubt even a part-time worker with a good amount of patience can make enough in decent time with what you listed, Nessy...

And welcome back.

  • 02.09.2007 2:02 PM PDT
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part time I would say 3 months. Working at KFC i made enough for that in 2 months full time.

  • 02.09.2007 2:27 PM PDT
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lpjuunin,

I think that you are forgetting the entire point of this thread was for him to ask if he should buy the card or not.

I bet that you did not know that current integrated graphics card supersede those of PCI Card.

I, Personally, run AGP Still, and want to upgrade... but I don't go around flaming people for giving someone useful advice that HE ASKED FOR!

  • 02.09.2007 2:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nessy
part time I would say 3 months. Working at KFC i made enough for that in 2 months full time.
Yup. Plus, any good system is worth slaving hours serving buckets of fried chicken for. Ain't that right, Kevin?

  • 02.09.2007 3:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nessy
part time I would say 3 months. Working at KFC i made enough for that in 2 months full time.
Yup. Plus, any good system is worth slaving hours serving buckets of fried chicken for. Ain't that right, Kevin?


Well, I still don't agree, but that line made me laugh a little. Good work Kim. xD

  • 02.09.2007 3:11 PM PDT

I love music, and I want to learn all of the Halo Trilogy music. Please! Give me the sheet music!

Can you people please stop arguing? Just reading this thread makes me slightly more depressed. And on the issue of a graphics card, even though I am upgrading quite soon, I had a Radeon 9250 for more than year with Halo PC and even Call of Duty 2! There's nothing wrong with getting a PCI card, as long as you know what it is capable of and you are happy with it!

EDIT: Why is everyone's name Kevin???? Let's see...five Kevins in my band class, two in Spanish, two in U.S History, two in science, three in Geometry, and two in language arts. Now you too! What is up with the name Kevin? (It's my name too XD) Just thought I might point that out, and sorry for being off topic.

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  • 02.09.2007 7:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: thejonessoda182
I bet that you did not know that current integrated graphics card supersede those of PCI Card.


Um, actually I did know. Something YOU are lacking is common sense and logic my friend. Why would DJThnikman want to buy a PCI card, if his integrated was "better"? Don't you think maybe his integrated is one of those cheap Intel ones? Think before you speak (or before you type) before acting like a knowitall retardate.

Can you people please stop arguing? Just reading this thread makes me slightly more depressed. And on the issue of a graphics card, even though I am upgrading quite soon, I had a Radeon 9250 for more than year with Halo PC and even Call of Duty 2! There's nothing wrong with getting a PCI card, as long as you know what it is capable of and you are happy with it!

I hope you heard what he said Iron Curtain, unlike you, some people can actually enjoy the little things they have. Spoiled jock.

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Posted by: lpjuunin
Can you people please stop arguing? Just reading this thread makes me slightly more depressed. And on the issue of a graphics card, even though I am upgrading quite soon, I had a Radeon 9250 for more than year with Halo PC and even Call of Duty 2! There's nothing wrong with getting a PCI card, as long as you know what it is capable of and you are happy with it!

I hope you heard what he said Iron Curtain, unlike you, some people can actually enjoy the little things they have. Spoiled jock.
I heard what he said, and he was merely saying that PCI-Express was the only way to go. He's right too. But it's not like he said, "Haha, you suck!"

Did it ever occur to you that Iron Curtains might have, I don't know, worked his ass off to get his awesometastic computer? Maybe he's not "spoiled", maybe he knows more about this than you do.

If DJ doesn't want to upgrade, that's his decision. If he's content with what he already owns, that's awesome. But the fact of the matter is, if he wants to get better performance, he needs to upgrade, and if he needs to upgrade, he has to save up money to buy it, and that's what probably everybody here who owns a kickass PC did--they pinched their pennies and served buckets of fried chicken.

So nyah. :P

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Wow look, more flaming hypocrisy from Ipjuunin. Not even I would have flamed him for that post. He's right that most integrated chipsets are better than PCI. Because PCI is ancient technology. I don't think you should be telling him he lacks common sense and logic when I've seen very little of the same from you the last couple days. Maybe you should stop and think before you type. Seeing as you're just making yourself look like a flaming dumbass and a hypocrite.

And why are you flaming Iron Curtain as well? Because he has a better rig than you? You sound like a jealous little child crying that the neighbor kid has a nicer bike than you. You have absolutely no idea how he got the money for his rig, maybe he has a job, maybe it was a gift. I don't know, and neither do you. So why don't you grow up a bit and realize than not everyone with a nice computer is a "spoiled jock" as you put it.

To Thnikaman: You best bet would be to not buy that card. Hop online and browse around and look for a more recent card with a comparable price tag. In the end you'll be much more satisfied.

  • 02.10.2007 6:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Wow look, more flaming hypocrisy from Ipjuunin. Not even I would have flamed him for that post. He's right that most integrated chipsets are better than PCI. Because PCI is ancient technology. I don't think you should be telling him he lacks common sense and logic when I've seen very little of the same from you the last couple days. Maybe you should stop and think before you type. Seeing as you're just making yourself look like a flaming dumbass and a hypocrite.


Dude. Read. More. Carefully. Next. Time.

I know that current integrated chips are faster than most PCI cards. I never said he was wrong about that fact. But I did say, if DJ is buying a PCI card, wouldn't it automatically notify you the fact that DJ may have a crappy Intel chip? If his integrated chip right now can perform better than the card he wants to buy at the moment, WHY in the WORLD would he want to upgrade into "ancient technology"? Think about it. The only person here who does not have common sense is you and the person who wrongfully assumed DJ has a "kick-ass" current integrated chipset.

He obviously has crappics, due to his integrated. Even IF he still decides to get a PCI card, it would still be a great upgrade for him, little or not. So don't rain on his parades saying things like "duud3, lik3, u5e pc!-3 man". That's not suggesting, nor is it helping. It's pretty much killing their good mood by saying their decisions are worthless, and your decisions are better.

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  • 02.10.2007 7:58 AM PDT

Sometimes people don't really care for upgrading, whether it be how much they do upgrade, or if they even do it at all. When I first got my new computer last year, I was excited at how well it ran, even on integrated. I wanted to get a PCI-e card, but awkwardly my computer is seemingly the only version of a certain line that does not have any other slots that PCI. I didn't want to go through the hassle of upgrading just yet, so I bought a 6200 OC. The games I bought it for run perfectly, but eventually I will be upgrading even further with the help of my uncle, since he's the one that got me this machine.

In terms of buying the card off his friend, it all depends on what hes changing from and what hes changing to. If he is content with this decision before him, then i think it is a great idea to do it, and get the card. As someone mentioned earlier, upgrading doesn't need to be done all at once quickly.

Sometimes someone may just want to take small steps towards a large goal.

  • 02.10.2007 8:17 PM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

Well.
Let's look at the Radeon 9250 versus the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900.

9250 - Direct X 8.0
GMA 900 - DirectX 9.0b

9250 - Clock speed: ~222 Mhz
GMA 900 - Clock Speed: ~333 Mhz

9250 - RAM clock: 400 Mhz
GMA 900 - RAM Clock: Variable, DDR yields 333Mhz, DDR2 yields 667

9250 - Four Pixel Pipelines, Two Vertex Shaders
GMA 900 - Four Pixel Pipelines, no Vertex Shaders (its only downfall)

It's pretty close, but if he must get a PCI card, the GeForce FX Series would be the best way to go.

And CoD2 must be an eyesore with Pixel Shader 1.4/DX 8.0, I'll remember you all when I'm playing it with PS3.0.

  • 02.10.2007 9:47 PM PDT

I love music, and I want to learn all of the Halo Trilogy music. Please! Give me the sheet music!

Actually, Call of Duty 2 isn't too bad with the Radeon 9250. Once I get my PC with CoD2 up and running again (hopefully next week) I can show you some vids or pics of the game on the settings it didn't lag on.

  • 02.11.2007 11:34 AM PDT
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8800GTX

  • 02.11.2007 11:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: vincent5
Well.
Let's look at the Radeon 9250 versus the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900.

9250 - Direct X 8.0
GMA 900 - DirectX 9.0b

9250 - Clock speed: ~222 Mhz
GMA 900 - Clock Speed: ~333 Mhz

9250 - RAM clock: 400 Mhz
GMA 900 - RAM Clock: Variable, DDR yields 333Mhz, DDR2 yields 667

9250 - Four Pixel Pipelines, Two Vertex Shaders
GMA 900 - Four Pixel Pipelines, no Vertex Shaders (its only downfall)

It's pretty close, but if he must get a PCI card, the GeForce FX Series would be the best way to go.

And CoD2 must be an eyesore with Pixel Shader 1.4/DX 8.0, I'll remember you all when I'm playing it with PS3.0.


9250 FTL indeed.

Anyways, CoD2 runs well enough on a 9250. I can run my CoD2 with my 6200LE at a constant smooth FPS (30-40), with every settings on high 800x600. So, PS3.0 FTW!

  • 02.11.2007 1:02 PM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

6200 LE > 9250

There's no real comparison there.

Now

9600 > 6200 LE
As far as I know, there's an AGP version of that 9600.

  • 02.11.2007 8:43 PM PDT

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